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Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
August 12 2013 03:56 GMT
#201
Hmm. Maybe Blizzard's policy of requiring tournaments with a prize pool over $10,000 to get their permission has something to do with this.
SimoNostalgia
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States226 Posts
August 12 2013 03:57 GMT
#202
This is such crappy news. This is practically stealing.
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CursivE
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia317 Posts
August 12 2013 04:14 GMT
#203
Cloaken, one of the Blizzard staff on Reddit has indicated that Blizzard are looking into the situation.
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
August 12 2013 04:15 GMT
#204
Ok
I guess I have some relevant information to pitch in.

One of the reasons I got pretty close with team MVP's management in the first place was that I offered to go harass IGN for the money they owed MVP for IPTL's final season.

It was the same damn story.

David Ting and the gang keep saying things like "oh the money should have already been sent long ago, yatta yatta yatta"
But in fact, nothing was being paid or processed unless you demand it either through actively harass by mail and phone calls, even threaten with legal proceedings.

That's what I did...
and they paid... all $9000.00 that was owed to team MVP.

Here are some relevant emails you should have if you guys are up for it:

IGN account payable: ap@ign.com
Frank Fields: ffields@blizzard.com <--former IPL operational manager and controller
Kevin Knocke: catspajamassc2@gmail.com
David Ting: dting@blizzard.com
Errol Pinto: epinto@blizzard.com





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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 04:16:07
August 12 2013 04:16 GMT
#205
Wow this is sad to hear. Hopefully it all works out but idk...
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theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
August 12 2013 04:22 GMT
#206
This is sad. A year or so ago it was teams making big promises and not paying players... what makes this worse, in my mind, is that IPL and other tournaments never had to offer massive amounts of money they don't have (unlike teams which have to pay players enough for them to get by). While big prizes certainly make tournaments more appealing, IPL would have been roughly the same competition if it had offered $4,000 dollar grand prizes than if it had offered $40,000 ones. And it might still be running today if that had been the case (to be honest, when IPL went south I lost a lot of my interest in the game). Obviously the economics of competitive gaming still need to be worked out. There's also something to be said here about the "winner takes all" mentality of the big tournaments and how more even distribution of prize money between finalist (or semi-finalists or whatever) would make it much easier for more players to stay pro even if the overall prize offerings were a little (or a lot) lower. Gigantic grand prizes might look good, but if they bankrupt tournaments and make it harder for players to make a living (by narrowing the distribution to only the top performers) they might not be very good for the sport. If IPL hadn't offered as much prize money as it did to appease fans, maybe all the players would have been paid (and maybe IPL would still be around). Just something to think about before people get too pissed at IGN and the producers of IPL.
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AllSalesFinal
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States211 Posts
August 12 2013 05:06 GMT
#207
On August 12 2013 10:15 dreamseller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 03:57 partydude89 wrote:
On August 12 2013 03:54 DanLee wrote:
On August 12 2013 03:52 partydude89 wrote:
so since blizzard hired the IPL guys, does this mean that blizzard has to pay out the prize money?

ROFL, hey blizzard, you know some of the people you hired used to work at a company that hasn't paid out it's debts. You mind picking up the tab?

edit: one of the stupidest conclusions I've ever seen someone jump to in my entire life.


Was that edit really necessary? I'm not a legal guy by any means, and i wasn't sure what happens to a companies debt when it gets absorbed by another company. no need to call me stupid


i think fingering blizzard with such a terrible logic on the front page of a news story on this site was pretty stupid.

here's hoping that IPL pays the players, i feel really bad for them.


lol that was not fingering blizzard. It sounded like a perfectly legit question to ask if you don't know the answer.

OT: same as everyone else, this is bullshit, they better pay up
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Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
August 12 2013 05:08 GMT
#208
On August 12 2013 13:14 CursivE wrote:
Cloaken, one of the Blizzard staff on Reddit has indicated that Blizzard are looking into the situation.

Wow that's pretty great to hear. Good to see Blizzard taking charge of the situation.
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
August 12 2013 05:23 GMT
#209
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suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
August 12 2013 05:27 GMT
#210
There really needs to be something backing up the players in these kinds of things. An organisation of some kind to deal with these things because this is beyond unacceptable. :/
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chaos021
Profile Joined March 2012
United States258 Posts
August 12 2013 05:28 GMT
#211
On August 12 2013 14:08 Holdenintherye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 13:14 CursivE wrote:
Cloaken, one of the Blizzard staff on Reddit has indicated that Blizzard are looking into the situation.

Wow that's pretty great to hear. Good to see Blizzard taking charge of the situation.


There's nothing good about this situation. The asshats that bailed at IGN should be held accountable, including the asshats Blizzard hired if they're culpable. I just don't think anyone should have to go through this to get what they're owed.

At this rate, team management may need to start lowering player salaries and bonuses just to keep lawyers on retainer. This is weakening my support for the SC2 scene altogether. I'm already at the point where I've cancelled most of my subscriptions related to players, teams or broadcasts. I've almost never heard of this kind of crap in any other esport. So what the fuck gives?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33699 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 05:52:28
August 12 2013 05:52 GMT
#212
On August 12 2013 13:14 CursivE wrote:
Cloaken, one of the Blizzard staff on Reddit has indicated that Blizzard are looking into the situation.


that's a safe, obvious, and completely uninformative remark from someone who's job is PR

it could mean nothing or everything
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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
August 12 2013 06:05 GMT
#213
On August 12 2013 11:30 Eloot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:19 TRaFFiC wrote:
I see a lot of talk here. Imagine my surprise when I searched "#payup" on twitter and only 1 tweet. Let's blow up their twitter.


Let's not. Team owners/management are just as much to blame for this. They need to be going through the proper channels (legal if necessary) to make sure their players are paid. Players and fans shouldn't be spamming Twitter accounts to find their winnings.

This is embarrassing from so many angles.

The only people who should be embarrassed are IGN for fucking over players. Legal is never the proper channel for getting anything done. Even if you win, nobody will force them to pay. You harass people to death, then threaten them, execute threats, then give up.
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CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
August 12 2013 06:27 GMT
#214
On August 12 2013 03:52 partydude89 wrote:
so since blizzard absorbed IPL, does this mean that blizzard has to pay out the prize money?

No, blizzard bought some IP's and hired some employees, they did not buy the company (and therefor did not inherit their debts)
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10847 Posts
August 12 2013 06:31 GMT
#215
Oh great, more bad news....T_T, This is not good for SC2 Scene at all.
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Gatored
Profile Joined September 2010
United States679 Posts
August 12 2013 06:35 GMT
#216
On August 12 2013 11:47 Aveng3r wrote:
How many threads like these have we seen before..?


Too many. Really disgusting how people host tournaments and then blow off paying the winners.

Another problem in the scene is tournament winnings being delayed from being paid out for months and months. I know I have experienced this firsthand. Win money and wait half a year before I see any of it (and only after I have sent multiple emails and messages).
JacobDaKung
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Sweden132 Posts
August 12 2013 06:40 GMT
#217
On August 12 2013 15:05 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:30 Eloot wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:19 TRaFFiC wrote:
I see a lot of talk here. Imagine my surprise when I searched "#payup" on twitter and only 1 tweet. Let's blow up their twitter.


Let's not. Team owners/management are just as much to blame for this. They need to be going through the proper channels (legal if necessary) to make sure their players are paid. Players and fans shouldn't be spamming Twitter accounts to find their winnings.

This is embarrassing from so many angles.

The only people who should be embarrassed are IGN for fucking over players. Legal is never the proper channel for getting anything done. Even if you win, nobody will force them to pay. You harass people to death, then threaten them, execute threats, then give up.

Legal might be the perfect way to go, at least in Sweden if you win a settlement i court then you can force the company to pay the settlement + legal fees + compensation for damages, I'd assume there is something similar in US law. Given that the is a case and that the legal fee + damages + settlement is high enough to be not be neglected by the company and low enough to avoid bankrupting the company other companies would realize that they NEED the money for the prize pool or there will be consequences. Or have 10k ppl complain on twitter (like anyone cares).
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
August 12 2013 06:43 GMT
#218
what can be done to hold those responsible accountable?
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havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
August 12 2013 06:45 GMT
#219
The bank foreclosed on my house.


WTF BLIZZARD Y U DO NOTHIN?! I bought a lot of your games, so get my house back, its your moral responsibility!!!!
Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1104 Posts
August 12 2013 06:48 GMT
#220
On August 12 2013 03:53 Mannerheim wrote:
Not surprising in the least, IGN and everything affiliated with it is terrible. It's a shame anyone actually put their trust into that organization.



Towards the end, yes. At the start it was amazing, Alex Conn put in good work and had an amazing vision for the direction of it initially.
Unfortunately he left down the road, and there were internal conflicts on what they should focus on, and which direction to take in terms of sc2.

They abandoned their original NA-centric scene approach to try to capitalize on the what seemed to be ever-growing popularity of the game (pretty much every company was attempting to do this at the time), but unfortunately sc2 was about to reach its peak and begin its decline. So IPL along with some other brands kept investing more resources than they should have which led to the eventual implosion of it.

I may appear to be an emotionless sarcastic pos, but just like an onion when you pull off more and more layers you find the exact same thing everytime and you start crying
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