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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
August 11 2013 19:35 GMT
#41
IGN seems a more fitting target to rage at then blizzard. They assumed financial responsibility for it when they let david ting play around.
iMOOrtal
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada144 Posts
August 11 2013 19:37 GMT
#42
Do you teams that these players on are not have any role in chasing down the organizations that don't pay out for their player's wins? Maybe if the teams/players banded together and had some sort of class action suit, things like this would happen less. Regardless this should be really embarrassing for IGN and now Blizzard. I wonder what would occur if this happened to a Kespa player? I assume Kespa would be handling the issue so the players wouldn't have to worry about such nonsense.
Nine to Five? Or, Five to Nine?
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 11 2013 19:39 GMT
#43
On August 12 2013 04:37 iMOOrtal wrote:
Do you teams that these players on are not have any role in chasing down the organizations that don't pay out for their player's wins? Maybe if the teams/players banded together and had some sort of class action suit, things like this would happen less. Regardless this should be really embarrassing for IGN and now Blizzard. I wonder what would occur if this happened to a Kespa player? I assume Kespa would be handling the issue so the players wouldn't have to worry about such nonsense.


Why is it embarrassing for Blizzard?

Blizzard didn't buy IPL...
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
August 11 2013 19:39 GMT
#44
On August 12 2013 04:37 iMOOrtal wrote:
Do you teams that these players on are not have any role in chasing down the organizations that don't pay out for their player's wins? Maybe if the teams/players banded together and had some sort of class action suit, things like this would happen less. Regardless this should be really embarrassing for IGN and now Blizzard. I wonder what would occur if this happened to a Kespa player? I assume Kespa would be handling the issue so the players wouldn't have to worry about such nonsense.


Yeah, I think that is ONE good thing about KeSPA. It protects its affiliated players and tries to make sure that sponsors and organizers are honest with them.
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fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
August 11 2013 19:39 GMT
#45
Wake up people, if you haven't studied business, don't make (un)educated calls such as "Blizzard has bought IPL thus should pay DRG his money". There are so many things that are wrong in those sentences.

It's sad for DRG, but it's gonna be a tough fight for him to get paid.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
August 11 2013 19:41 GMT
#46
Well at least Scarlett got payed eventually so maybe they just need to be a squeaky wheel. I know you read tl still Scarlett so how many times did you have to talk to ign before they payed you?
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LiLSighKoh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States588 Posts
August 11 2013 19:41 GMT
#47
On August 12 2013 04:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 04:37 iMOOrtal wrote:
Do you teams that these players on are not have any role in chasing down the organizations that don't pay out for their player's wins? Maybe if the teams/players banded together and had some sort of class action suit, things like this would happen less. Regardless this should be really embarrassing for IGN and now Blizzard. I wonder what would occur if this happened to a Kespa player? I assume Kespa would be handling the issue so the players wouldn't have to worry about such nonsense.


Why is it embarrassing for Blizzard?

Blizzard didn't buy IPL...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406876
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 11 2013 19:42 GMT
#48
On August 12 2013 04:41 LiLSighKoh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 04:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 12 2013 04:37 iMOOrtal wrote:
Do you teams that these players on are not have any role in chasing down the organizations that don't pay out for their player's wins? Maybe if the teams/players banded together and had some sort of class action suit, things like this would happen less. Regardless this should be really embarrassing for IGN and now Blizzard. I wonder what would occur if this happened to a Kespa player? I assume Kespa would be handling the issue so the players wouldn't have to worry about such nonsense.


Why is it embarrassing for Blizzard?

Blizzard didn't buy IPL...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406876
? What is this


A sensationalist title. "Blizzard has purchased IPL's techonology and assets. " Not IPL as in the entire company. They also hired people who would otherwise have been jobless.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
AmuseD
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands133 Posts
August 11 2013 19:43 GMT
#49
How much posts does it take for people to realize that AGAIN Blizzard bought assets from IGN. Not the brand IGN. And the tournament fell under IGN Entertainment. So IGN still has to pay. Blizzard has nothing to do with this in this regard.
Supah ToHLL
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
August 11 2013 19:43 GMT
#50
Oh that is bad. IPL don't exist anymore, but the owners of IPL at that time will surely try to push those payments onto Blizzard, even if it doesn't make any sense.
Means the only one getting that prize money is the lawyers if the winners try to get it >.< .
marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
August 11 2013 19:44 GMT
#51
Not very fair but this happens at almost every insolvency outside of gaming as well.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 19:47:50
August 11 2013 19:46 GMT
#52
It's sad but this type of thing happens all the time, even when the company doesn't close up shop (points at ESL)

sadly it is doubtful they will get any of it
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
August 11 2013 19:48 GMT
#53
didnt IPL go bankrupt?
Mirhi
Profile Joined February 2010
United States389 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 19:53:02
August 11 2013 19:50 GMT
#54
Hey guys. IGN / Ziff Davis is responsible for paying out these players. While I still worked at Blizzard I was trying to follow up on this as much as possible, but as I no longer work for Blizzard, I don't know who is handling this. I know many players, including the ones featured in this thread, followed up with me many times.

I followed up with Ziff Davis / IGN many times, but they were very slow or dodged responsibility.

The best course of action in getting these people paid is contacting Ziff Davis repeatedly / Internet justice by bringing attention to it. (Though please be professional and polite)

EDIT: I should add they HAVE paid out some players, but not others. Why this is, I do not really know. But for sure they have been very slow / tried to get it to go away.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 20:30:32
August 11 2013 19:51 GMT
#55
On August 12 2013 04:17 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 04:12 BronzeKnee wrote:
On August 12 2013 03:53 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 12 2013 03:52 Complete wrote:
Refrsh me, IPL got sold to someone? Or they quit doing SC2 events? It was something...

blizzard bought ipl assets however i'm not sure if that means they're legally liable if anyone has any info let us know!


If you owe money on house or car, you can't just sell it to someone else and then not pay off the loan you had on it.


I don't think this analogy works.

1. Blizzard hired unemployed IPL staff, so that definitely doesn't apply to your scenario in this case.

2. The equipment blizz bought would have gone up for auction like in most bankruptcy cases anyways, so IPL had every right to sell them.


I don't think you understand. Why would they sue Blizzard? If I sell you my house without paying off the loan (assuming I somehow got my hands on the deed) would they go after you? Of course not! They'd come for me.

If IPL/IGN sold the assets of the company, the creditors have legitimate complaint and have a right to that money. The assets or the money from the sale of the assets should go the creditors. The players are a creditor, they helped IPL earn that money, and we never compensated.

Thus, someone has the money Blizzard paid for the assets. Probably IGN. I'm sure IGN paid off all the banks, other people ect first they owed because they didn't think the players would come for them. But IGN is still around, and they created IPL so they are likely the ones liable. I'm sure their legal team try to concoct some lame reason to why they can't/won't pay, and that is where you need an attorney willing to fight.

So the players should look at IGN. Unless as part of the sale Blizzard agreed to pick up these kind of expenses. Either way the players need a good attorney, willing to fight IGN for them.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
August 11 2013 19:52 GMT
#56
Cant see Blizzard being culpable for this, However the parent company of IPL should be. I really do think that some sort of players union needs to be created and some rules put in place such as payment guaranteed i.e a third party comfiming the money is there,before these tournaments are attended by the players
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 11 2013 19:52 GMT
#57
How do you not pay the winner of the tournament 9 months later? god damn esports is a joke sometimes
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
August 11 2013 19:56 GMT
#58
IPL5
Start Date: 2012-11-29
End Date: 2012-12-02

Why the hell did they wait so long to make a public fuss about this?
I think these players (and their teams) were a bit naive here
Not to mention that IPL closed shop for quite some time now

This last week has been rough for the SC2 scene
IM vs LG
IPL vs Payments
Retirements
MLG dropping SC2

Urgh!
...
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
August 11 2013 19:56 GMT
#59
On August 12 2013 03:53 Mannerheim wrote:
Not surprising in the least, IGN and everything affiliated with it is terrible. It's a shame anyone actually put their trust into that organization.


For someone less knowledgable about IGN, why is this not surprising/why is IGN "terrible"?
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Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
August 11 2013 19:57 GMT
#60
I filled out the IPL5 payment form as much as I could and sent a few emails in reply asking questions but it stopped there.

On a side note (Wiki)Campus Party Europe players did not get paid either, except for #1 finisher SuperNova.
It's almost been a year with constant delays over e-mails and change of managements, responsible parties for paying out and the same old coproprate talk.

It's kinda sad that I feel like I should give special shoutouts to the tournaments and people that do legitimate business ... :D
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