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askmc70
Profile Joined March 2012
United States722 Posts
August 11 2013 19:04 GMT
#21
i dont understand how this shit is possible, how does a tournament not pay it's players on time? what happens if they never do pay the players? do the players sue or something?
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
August 11 2013 19:05 GMT
#22
On August 12 2013 04:02 Tobblish wrote:
Blizzard doing jack is not making my opinion of that company positive.


Why if I cut a tree in my yard and it falls on my neighbour car is the guy from down the road suppose to come over and settle the dispute. What right does Blizzard have in all of this. They give a permit for a tournament and that's it. You could say Blizzard stop giving IPL the right to do tournaments, but that won't do a thing now.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 11 2013 19:07 GMT
#23
On August 12 2013 04:03 Godwrath wrote:
Shouldn't IGN be the one paying those prizes ?

Yes it's IGN's responsibility as the parent company of former IPL
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Zenatsu
Profile Joined February 2011
100 Posts
August 11 2013 19:08 GMT
#24
On August 12 2013 04:02 Tobblish wrote:
Blizzard doing jack is not making my opinion of that company positive.


Blizzard didn't buy the IPL brand. therefore they are not obligated to do anything.

Would you like to pay all the winnings for IPL, even though you don't own the IP?
AmuseD
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands133 Posts
August 11 2013 19:08 GMT
#25
On August 12 2013 04:07 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 04:03 Godwrath wrote:
Shouldn't IGN be the one paying those prizes ?

Yes it's IGN's responsibility as the parent company of former IPL

Yeah and Isn't this whole topic about them not paying out?
Supah ToHLL
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 11 2013 19:09 GMT
#26
On August 12 2013 04:05 NPF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 04:02 Tobblish wrote:
Blizzard doing jack is not making my opinion of that company positive.


Why if I cut a tree in my yard and it falls on my neighbour car is the guy from down the road suppose to come over and settle the dispute. What right does Blizzard have in all of this. They give a permit for a tournament and that's it. You could say Blizzard stop giving IPL the right to do tournaments, but that won't do a thing now.


Because Blizzard purchased "IGN Pro League technology and assets from IGN."

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/news/?d=2013-4#81200

It's obviously very muddied as to who should be paying these players, whether it's IGN or Blizzard, one of them needs to do it though that is for sure. If IGN won't then Blizzard should out of good faith
nickbalev
Profile Joined March 2011
Bulgaria241 Posts
August 11 2013 19:09 GMT
#27
good luck getting that from IGN :/ they dropped ipl and guess all responsibility of paying out anything
noipe
zainsaGOD
Profile Joined August 2013
105 Posts
August 11 2013 19:09 GMT
#28
This is just pathetic, why bother hosting a tournament if you cant even afford to pay the winners?
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
August 11 2013 19:09 GMT
#29
Well IPL was owned by IGN at the time if I am not mistaken. IGN should pay them. Not sure though!
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
AmuseD
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands133 Posts
August 11 2013 19:11 GMT
#30
On August 12 2013 04:09 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 04:05 NPF wrote:
On August 12 2013 04:02 Tobblish wrote:
Blizzard doing jack is not making my opinion of that company positive.


Why if I cut a tree in my yard and it falls on my neighbour car is the guy from down the road suppose to come over and settle the dispute. What right does Blizzard have in all of this. They give a permit for a tournament and that's it. You could say Blizzard stop giving IPL the right to do tournaments, but that won't do a thing now.


Because Blizzard purchased "IGN Pro League technology and assets from IGN."

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/news/?d=2013-4#81200

It's obviously very muddied as to who should be paying these players, whether it's IGN or Blizzard, one of them needs to do it though that is for sure. If IGN won't then Blizzard should out of good faith


I honestly don't think that its a discussion whenever blizzard has to pay or IGN. Yes Blizzard BOUGHT the assets BUT !! the tournament was organized by IGN, just because blizzard bought certain parts from IGN doesn't mean the debts transfer to Blizzard. This would only happen in they completely took over IGN as a full company
Supah ToHLL
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 19:13:08
August 11 2013 19:12 GMT
#31
On August 12 2013 04:09 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 04:05 NPF wrote:
On August 12 2013 04:02 Tobblish wrote:
Blizzard doing jack is not making my opinion of that company positive.


Why if I cut a tree in my yard and it falls on my neighbour car is the guy from down the road suppose to come over and settle the dispute. What right does Blizzard have in all of this. They give a permit for a tournament and that's it. You could say Blizzard stop giving IPL the right to do tournaments, but that won't do a thing now.


Because Blizzard purchased "IGN Pro League technology and assets from IGN."

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/news/?d=2013-4#81200

It's obviously very muddied as to who should be paying these players, whether it's IGN or Blizzard, one of them needs to do it though that is for sure. If IGN won't then Blizzard should out of good faith


Yeah, but that doesn't really say they bought IPL the company. I always read that release like this.

1. IPL guys unemployed now. --> Blizzard hires unemployed guys.

2. IPL has equip/tech that will now go up for auction --> IPL sells this to blizzard instead of putting it up for auction.

I see those as just separate and independent transactions by blizzard of buying leftover pieces from the company and not as buying the company itself.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5218 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 19:16:38
August 11 2013 19:12 GMT
#32
On August 12 2013 03:53 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 03:52 Complete wrote:
Refrsh me, IPL got sold to someone? Or they quit doing SC2 events? It was something...

blizzard bought ipl assets however i'm not sure if that means they're legally liable if anyone has any info let us know!


I'm not a legal expert but I did work for an attorney for some time, and if they were owed something and haven't been paid they can sue. Blizzard bought the assets, but IPL had an obligation to pay it's debts before selling out. Someone is in trouble, probably whoever owned IPL and then sold the assets before paying off the creditors.

If you owe money on house or car, you can't just sell it to someone else and then not pay off the loan you had on it.


The people who didn't get paid should get an attorney, and the sooner the better. This has lawsuit written all over it.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
August 11 2013 19:13 GMT
#33
On August 12 2013 04:08 Zenatsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 04:02 Tobblish wrote:
Blizzard doing jack is not making my opinion of that company positive.


Blizzard didn't buy the IPL brand. therefore they are not obligated to do anything.

Would you like to pay all the winnings for IPL, even though you don't own the IP?


On August 12 2013 04:05 NPF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 04:02 Tobblish wrote:
Blizzard doing jack is not making my opinion of that company positive.


Why if I cut a tree in my yard and it falls on my neighbour car is the guy from down the road suppose to come over and settle the dispute. What right does Blizzard have in all of this. They give a permit for a tournament and that's it. You could say Blizzard stop giving IPL the right to do tournaments, but that won't do a thing now.


What do you think speeds up the process and makes them actually do something.
If Blizzard takes on the case to help out the players or if they are on their own.

Blizzard can't just stand on the sideline doing nothing, they used their product and license with the tournament.
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I wonder if theres something in the tournament license on paying out prize money.
The curse is real
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
August 11 2013 19:16 GMT
#34
This is something that actually kills e-sports. When the players don't get paid much outside of prize winnings then they better get the money they won. Otherwise they can't sustain themselves on playing.
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 19:17:45
August 11 2013 19:17 GMT
#35
On August 12 2013 04:12 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 03:53 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On August 12 2013 03:52 Complete wrote:
Refrsh me, IPL got sold to someone? Or they quit doing SC2 events? It was something...

blizzard bought ipl assets however i'm not sure if that means they're legally liable if anyone has any info let us know!


If you owe money on house or car, you can't just sell it to someone else and then not pay off the loan you had on it.


I don't think this analogy works.

1. Blizzard hired unemployed IPL staff, so that definitely doesn't apply to your scenario in this case.

2. The equipment blizz bought would have gone up for auction like in most bankruptcy cases anyways, so IPL had every right to sell them.
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hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
August 11 2013 19:25 GMT
#36
I hope Blizzard steps up and intervenes for the SC2 players. They need to talk to IGN about this matter!
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 19:31:40
August 11 2013 19:25 GMT
#37
THIS SHIT IS STILL GOING ON? Fuck you IGN/IPL
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 11 2013 19:26 GMT
#38
that's really sad for Leenock! Hope he, Huk and Snute get their prizes!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 11 2013 19:30 GMT
#39
lol @ not getting paid unless you pester one of the guys

actually that's not really that funny, that's pretty fucked up. I know how tough it is getting paid for your work from some people, as a freelancer, shit sucks. hope this all gets cleared up.
(>'.')>
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 11 2013 19:35 GMT
#40
Blizzard isn't at fault here.

IGN is the parent company that owned IPL. Whatever profits or debts IPL had are owned by IGN. Blizzard bought assets, but for debt to transfer, they would have to buyout IGN, which they didn't do. All debts from IPL are still owed by IGN.
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