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shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
August 01 2013 02:38 GMT
#21
On August 01 2013 10:08 reps)squishy wrote:
Mothership core needs minor nerf so zerg can counter attack in early game. Terran has a unit for everything. Hydra really needs a buff.


lol, this is just for July. Msc already moves too slow, and gaining 100 energy for a cannon is already slow too.
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Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
August 01 2013 02:46 GMT
#22
I know there's small sample, but this poster thinks zerg are a little UP.
i like cheese
MattD
Profile Joined March 2013
United Kingdom83 Posts
August 01 2013 02:48 GMT
#23
On August 01 2013 11:38 shin_toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 10:08 reps)squishy wrote:
Mothership core needs minor nerf so zerg can counter attack in early game. Terran has a unit for everything. Hydra really needs a buff.


lol, this is just for July. Msc already moves too slow, and gaining 100 energy for a cannon is already slow too.


I hope thats some sort of sick joke
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 01 2013 03:11 GMT
#24
On August 01 2013 11:38 shin_toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 10:08 reps)squishy wrote:
Mothership core needs minor nerf so zerg can counter attack in early game. Terran has a unit for everything. Hydra really needs a buff.


lol, this is just for July. Msc already moves too slow, and gaining 100 energy for a cannon is already slow too.


You make it sound like it's underpowered lol.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 01 2013 03:14 GMT
#25
On August 01 2013 11:38 shin_toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 10:08 reps)squishy wrote:
Mothership core needs minor nerf so zerg can counter attack in early game. Terran has a unit for everything. Hydra really needs a buff.


lol, this is just for July. Msc already moves too slow, and gaining 100 energy for a cannon is already slow too.

Yea they should spawn with full energy, the speed of phoenix and have collosi lazors.
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
August 01 2013 03:15 GMT
#26
On August 01 2013 12:14 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 11:38 shin_toss wrote:
On August 01 2013 10:08 reps)squishy wrote:
Mothership core needs minor nerf so zerg can counter attack in early game. Terran has a unit for everything. Hydra really needs a buff.


lol, this is just for July. Msc already moves too slow, and gaining 100 energy for a cannon is already slow too.

Yea they should spawn with full energy, the speed of phoenix and have collosi lazors.

also need the hp of a real mothership
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3354 Posts
August 01 2013 03:31 GMT
#27
Ouch@Korean TvZ.
Told you we should have asked for nerfs when we still had a say.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
August 01 2013 03:34 GMT
#28
On August 01 2013 12:15 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 12:14 Assirra wrote:
On August 01 2013 11:38 shin_toss wrote:
On August 01 2013 10:08 reps)squishy wrote:
Mothership core needs minor nerf so zerg can counter attack in early game. Terran has a unit for everything. Hydra really needs a buff.


lol, this is just for July. Msc already moves too slow, and gaining 100 energy for a cannon is already slow too.

Yea they should spawn with full energy, the speed of phoenix and have collosi lazors.

also need the hp of a real mothership

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Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
August 01 2013 03:36 GMT
#29
On August 01 2013 12:31 pmp10 wrote:
Ouch@Korean TvZ.
Told you we should have asked for nerfs when we still had a say.


Damn it, sorry we should've listened to you when it was still time D:
Terran & Potato Salad.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 03:42:02
August 01 2013 03:41 GMT
#30
zerg hasnt the highest winrate, this threads gonna be 3 times longer than last months
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 01 2013 03:45 GMT
#31
On August 01 2013 12:41 teddyoojo wrote:
zerg hasnt the highest winrate, this threads gonna be 3 times longer than last months

All the terrans are going "Wait, we are winning. I'm not winning. Quickly, team meeting folks, we need to develop a response to this. I think we go with the APM excuse, Innovation and build order wins. That should do it till next month"
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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3354 Posts
August 01 2013 05:40 GMT
#32
On August 01 2013 12:36 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 12:31 pmp10 wrote:
Ouch@Korean TvZ.
Told you we should have asked for nerfs when we still had a say.


Damn it, sorry we should've listened to you when it was still time D:

This isn't funny.
If Blizzard and zergs get to fixing this we may lose another unit.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
August 01 2013 05:42 GMT
#33
Innovation and Flash destroyed TvZ winrate lol
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
August 01 2013 05:47 GMT
#34
On August 01 2013 14:42 tuho12345 wrote:
Innovation and Flash destroyed TvZ winrate lol

When the number of games is around 80, i guess they had something to do with it.
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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 05:54:30
August 01 2013 05:52 GMT
#35
Holy crap. That KR PvZ win % lol Wasn't expecting that.


Edit: 3333 posts!!!
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Ralethon
Profile Joined July 2011
United States141 Posts
August 01 2013 06:04 GMT
#36
I feel like when professional level win rates are show people say "oh it's not a good representation because (insert gosu Koreans here) skew the statistics;" but then once they're shown statistics without the gosu Koreans they say they aren't relevant because they lack the best players. xP
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
August 01 2013 06:05 GMT
#37
For reference:
TvZ: 51.5% (1394 games)
PvT: 50.8% (1326 games)
PvZ: 48.5% (1717 games)
From http://aligulac.com/reports
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
F.O.A.D.
Profile Joined July 2013
Canada100 Posts
August 01 2013 06:05 GMT
#38
Everyone knows Z is currently UP. All we can do is wait for Blizz to wake up and make the necessary adjustments.
Reenock | Gumibro | Soulkey | sC | jjakji | Mvp | Innovation | Seed | Hurricane | Sniper | Dream | Maru
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 01 2013 06:08 GMT
#39
Game is pretty well balanced.
Winrates fluctuates people, when it stays between 45-55 range, there's nothing to be alarmed off...
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
August 01 2013 06:08 GMT
#40
On August 01 2013 15:05 F.O.A.D. wrote:
Everyone knows Z is currently UP. All we can do is wait for Blizz to wake up and make the necessary adjustments.

Not according to Aligulac

On August 01 2013 15:05 Grovbolle wrote:
For reference:
TvZ: 51.5% (1394 games)
PvT: 50.8% (1326 games)
PvZ: 48.5% (1717 games)
From http://aligulac.com/reports


I'm inclined to believe both, but it's hard for me not to take aligulac as the more trustworthy source. Also, zerg isn't UP, I don't see them using all the assets given to them in HoTS yet at all, a lot of zergs are sticking to WoL strats and the other two races have moved on a lot more.
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