July Winrates! - Page 3

On August 01 2013 15:05 Grovbolle wrote:
For reference:
TvZ: 51.5% (1394 games)
PvT: 50.8% (1326 games)
PvZ: 48.5% (1717 games)
From http://aligulac.com/reports

On August 01 2013 15:08 docvoc wrote:

Not according to Aligulac



I'm inclined to believe both, but it's hard for me not to take aligulac as the more trustworthy source. Also, zerg isn't UP, I don't see them using all the assets given to them in HoTS yet at all, a lot of zergs are sticking to WoL strats and the other two races have moved on a lot more.

On August 01 2013 15:21 Za7oX wrote:
They should have left the baneling burrow move in! :D

On August 01 2013 15:08 docvoc wrote:

Not according to Aligulac



I'm inclined to believe both, but it's hard for me not to take aligulac as the more trustworthy source. Also, zerg isn't UP, I don't see them using all the assets given to them in HoTS yet at all, a lot of zergs are sticking to WoL strats and the other two races have moved on a lot more.

On August 01 2013 15:08 docvoc wrote:

Not according to Aligulac



I'm inclined to believe both, but it's hard for me not to take aligulac as the more trustworthy source. Also, zerg isn't UP, I don't see them using all the assets given to them in HoTS yet at all, a lot of zergs are sticking to WoL strats and the other two races have moved on a lot more.

On August 01 2013 10:04 DeathProfessor wrote:
I rolled my eyes at the Zerg but hmm maybe they are slightly UP, not really sure where this comes from.

On August 01 2013 15:39 scypio wrote:


I think you did not get the latest zerg memo on the correct way of interpreting race's performance. Here it is, taken from the dreaded Designated Balance Discussion Thread:

"Top zerg players competing in premier tournaments outnumber top terran players competing with them 4:1".

Now that is a real eyeopener! See, up to this day I looked at results that said:
T: 5 tournaments won
Z: 5 tournaments won
P: 2 tournaments won
and thought: "T and Z are doing pretty well and the protoss is trailing behind". Wrong - even when zerg is winning everything there is recently (DH, IEM, Red Bull Batllegrounds, RSL V...).

You need to factor in the 4:1 ratio. So:
T:5, Z:5, P: 2 = Zerg UP, Terran OP, David Kim heeeelp!
T:2 Z:8 P:2 = Balanced

Welcome to the zerg world

On August 01 2013 15:43 ETisME wrote:

because when fruitdealer won the first GSL the game was balanced.

 
           P     T     Z  
------------------------------
WCS S1 KR  2(0)  2(0)  4(0)  
IEM 7 WC   4(1)  2(0)  2(1)  
MLG winter 3(0)  4(0)  1(0)  
WCS EU s1  3(1)  4(2)  1(3)  
DH STKHML  2(1)  1(0)  5(1)  
WCS US S1  3(0)  2(0)  3(2)  
WCS S1 F   2(0)  4(0)  2(0)  
DHS        1(0)  3(2)  4(1)  
HSC        2(0)  1(0)  5(3)  
MLG Spring 4(1)  2(0)  2(0)  
DHV        3(1)  1(1)  4(1)
IEM SH     3(0)  2(0)  3(0)
------------------------------
total     32(5) 28(5)  36(12)  

On August 01 2013 15:39 scypio wrote:


I think you did not get the latest zerg memo on the correct way of interpreting race's performance. Here it is, taken from the dreaded Designated Balance Discussion Thread:

"Top zerg players competing in premier tournaments outnumber top terran players competing with them 4:1".

Now that is a real eyeopener! See, up to this day I looked at results that said:
T: 5 tournaments won
Z: 5 tournaments won
P: 2 tournaments won
and thought: "T and Z are doing pretty well and the protoss is trailing behind". Wrong - even when zerg is winning everything there is recently (DH, IEM, Red Bull Batllegrounds, RSL V...).

You need to factor in the 4:1 ratio. So:
T:5, Z:5, P: 2 = Zerg UP, Terran OP, David Kim heeeelp!
T:2 Z:8 P:2 = Balanced

Welcome to the zerg world

On August 01 2013 15:53 F.O.A.D. wrote:


^ Welcome to ignorance.

When will people realize that foreign tourneys with lackluster player pools are irrelevant (I suppose, unfortunately, not so long as the consideration of such frivolous stats favors their race because they're shamelessly biased)? Also, we shouldn't just be examining win/loss ratios superficially; but also the nature of said wins/losses. "Don't worry guys, ZvT is balanced, Z just have to Roach/Bling bust to win." Except, in this case, at the top-end, the winrates aren't even balanced, rendering your 'argument' as even more invalid.

On August 01 2013 15:39 scypio wrote:


I think you did not get the latest zerg memo on the correct way of interpreting race's performance. Here it is, taken from the dreaded Designated Balance Discussion Thread:

"Top zerg players competing in premier tournaments outnumber top terran players competing with them 4:1".

Now that is a real eyeopener! See, up to this day I looked at results that said:
T: 5 tournaments won
Z: 5 tournaments won
P: 2 tournaments won
and thought: "T and Z are doing pretty well and the protoss is trailing behind". Wrong - even when zerg is winning everything there is recently (DH, IEM, Red Bull Batllegrounds, RSL V...).

You need to factor in the 4:1 ratio. So:
T:5, Z:5, P: 2 = Zerg UP, Terran OP, David Kim heeeelp!
T:2 Z:8 P:2 = Balanced

Welcome to the zerg world

On August 01 2013 16:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:

Erm, if top zerg outnumber top terran in the tournaments then to factor in the 4:1 ratio you would go the other way, no? So itd be more like:
T:8 Z:2 P:2?

I am not saying I even come close to agreeing with you, but your method seems off.