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You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea?
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On August 01 2013 09:55 VVeForever wrote:
You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea?
It's out of 100 game. If you take out Symbol/Maru and Soulkey/Innovation, it's 50/50 TvZ
And PvZ just blame on PvProLeague lol
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On August 01 2013 09:56 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 09:55 VVeForever wrote:
You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea? It's out of 100 game. If you take out Symbol/Maru and Soulkey/Innovation, it's 50/50 TvZ And PvZ just blame on PvProLeague lol
The image displaying games played per MU shows at least 150 games played, and Symbol/Maru + Innovation/ Soulkey are only T and Z....so that doesn't address the protoss romping everybody.
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On August 01 2013 10:01 Sephiren wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 09:56 ragz_gt wrote:On August 01 2013 09:55 VVeForever wrote:
You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea? It's out of 100 game. If you take out Symbol/Maru and Soulkey/Innovation, it's 50/50 TvZ And PvZ just blame on PvProLeague lol
The image displaying games played per MU shows at least 150 games played, and Symbol/Maru + Innovation/ Soulkey are only T and Z....so that doesn't address the protoss romping everybody.
How? You can clearly see all 3 matchup are below 100 line... With about 65~ ZvP played
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I rolled my eyes at the Zerg but hmm maybe they are slightly UP, not really sure where this comes from.
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On August 01 2013 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 10:01 Sephiren wrote:On August 01 2013 09:56 ragz_gt wrote:On August 01 2013 09:55 VVeForever wrote:
You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea? It's out of 100 game. If you take out Symbol/Maru and Soulkey/Innovation, it's 50/50 TvZ And PvZ just blame on PvProLeague lol
The image displaying games played per MU shows at least 150 games played, and Symbol/Maru + Innovation/ Soulkey are only T and Z....so that doesn't address the protoss romping everybody. How? You can clearly see all 3 matchup are below 100 line... With about 65~ ZvP played
The lowest of 3 MU's is ZvP which is clearly greater than half of 100 (looks about 60). So even if the others were as low as that, we have 60 + 60 + 60 = 180. Obviously you can eyeball that it's probably more like 200-210.
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Since there are so few games played for korean match ups, if there are no patches for august can we take the results from august and july to get a better sample size? Or does it become invalid because of the time difference between the months?
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Mothership core needs minor nerf so zerg can counter attack in early game. Terran has a unit for everything. Hydra really needs a buff.
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On August 01 2013 10:08 reps)squishy wrote:
Mothership core needs minor nerf so zerg can counter attack in early game. Terran has a unit for everything. Hydra really needs a buff.
Give it a good bit longer first lol
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On August 01 2013 10:06 Sephiren wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 10:03 ragz_gt wrote:On August 01 2013 10:01 Sephiren wrote:On August 01 2013 09:56 ragz_gt wrote:On August 01 2013 09:55 VVeForever wrote:
You like a zersg being destroyed in Korea? It's out of 100 game. If you take out Symbol/Maru and Soulkey/Innovation, it's 50/50 TvZ And PvZ just blame on PvProLeague lol
The image displaying games played per MU shows at least 150 games played, and Symbol/Maru + Innovation/ Soulkey are only T and Z....so that doesn't address the protoss romping everybody. How? You can clearly see all 3 matchup are below 100 line... With about 65~ ZvP played The lowest of 3 MU's is ZvP which is clearly greater than half of 100 (looks about 60). So even if the others were as low as that, we have 60 + 60 + 60 = 180. Obviously you can eyeball that it's probably more like 200-210.
Obviously I meant per matchup, not total, as the TvZ calculation suggest.
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On August 01 2013 10:07 bo1b wrote:
Since there are so few games played for korean match ups, if there are no patches for august can we take the results from august and july to get a better sample size? Or does it become invalid because of the time difference between the months?
You can do whatever you want, it's just numbers, it can't be invalid.
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On August 01 2013 10:04 DeathProfessor wrote:
I rolled my eyes at the Zerg but hmm maybe they are slightly UP, not really sure where this comes from.
It's most likely due to Zergs being able to take maps against Terrans, but not series. I don't honestly remember the last time in the GSL/OSL a Zerg beat a Terran in a best of series where the Terran wasn't completely outmatched. Like Life vs. jjakji, Life will win that every time unless the game is terribly imbalanced. But it's not. I feel like there's just the slightest advantage for Terran right now, and that's all you really need at that level of play.
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Zerg, according to that graph, isn't doing well, but I think it's definitely an overstatement. We had some really good TvZ series this month, and it's [the poor percentage of wins] not gone on long enough to warrant any freak outs. Though it undoubtedly will.
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Wow! Can't wait to see all those protoss champions!! .................................
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not sure if trolling or....
OP has no source, a single post with 2 pictures which anyone can make, plus this
David Kim: I don't think there is balance problem right now, and I don't think Zerg is weak at the moment. For example, the recent Dreamhack had a ZvZ finals. Also, WCS S1 Korea Regional Final had a ZvT finals and the Zerg won (Soulkey vs Innovation). In terms of ladder's data, Zerg actually has a little advantage right now.
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On August 01 2013 10:54 mrjpark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 10:04 DeathProfessor wrote:
I rolled my eyes at the Zerg but hmm maybe they are slightly UP, not really sure where this comes from. It's most likely due to Zergs being able to take maps against Terrans, but not series. I don't honestly remember the last time in the GSL/OSL a Zerg beat a Terran in a best of series where the Terran wasn't completely outmatched. Like Life vs. jjakji, Life will win that every time unless the game is terribly imbalanced. But it's not. I feel like there's just the slightest advantage for Terran right now, and that's all you really need at that level of play.
The thing is speaking strictly about the OSL they won the exact same number of maps but a lot of those occurred in the early group stage. But then you see the massive effect that just 7 games can have on such a small sample size.
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On August 01 2013 11:10 Porishan wrote:not sure if trolling or.... OP has no source, a single post with 2 pictures which anyone can make, plus this Show nested quote +David Kim: I don't think there is balance problem right now, and I don't think Zerg is weak at the moment. For example, the recent Dreamhack had a ZvZ finals. Also, WCS S1 Korea Regional Final had a ZvT finals and the Zerg won (Soulkey vs Innovation). In terms of ladder's data, Zerg actually has a little advantage right now.
Apologies. Check the edit for the information. And no this isn't a troll :D
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This is about what it felt like watching the games. I know it's not a huge sample size, but as Terran's get better at holding All-ins, I think they will win even more and eventually Z will be buffed (instead of T nerfed).
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On August 01 2013 11:15 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 11:10 Porishan wrote:not sure if trolling or.... OP has no source, a single post with 2 pictures which anyone can make, plus this David Kim: I don't think there is balance problem right now, and I don't think Zerg is weak at the moment. For example, the recent Dreamhack had a ZvZ finals. Also, WCS S1 Korea Regional Final had a ZvT finals and the Zerg won (Soulkey vs Innovation). In terms of ladder's data, Zerg actually has a little advantage right now. Apologies. Check the edit for the information. And no this isn't a troll :D
yay! get it now xD
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