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Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
July 26 2013 04:24 GMT
#21
On July 26 2013 13:23 PDizzle wrote:
Show nested quote +
In terms of ladder's data, Zerg actually has a little advantage right now.


lol


This is golden. :D. Thanks for the clarification David, hopefully there will be less whining from Zergs.
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SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
July 26 2013 04:25 GMT
#22
David Kims responses were good but....doesnt it seem like the questioning is...


zerg is weak....are you going to buff them
terran is weak...are you going to buff them
protoss is weak...are you going to buff them

interview sum up....Starcraft 2 HOTS is weak...buff them?!?

it just feels like we are a dog chasing its tail
Kim Hyuna
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)264 Posts
July 26 2013 04:30 GMT
#23
On July 26 2013 13:08 JJH777 wrote:
Proleague is either the highest skilled tournament or a very close second to WCS KR currently and it is heavily dominated by Protoss. They are fine.


Serious? How can you compared BO1 in PL and claimed that Protoss heavily dominated? We are talking about individual league. How long have we seen a Protoss winning an individual league in KR?
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rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 08:01:15
July 26 2013 04:33 GMT
#24
shit questions and a wasted chance of a good interview
Abturn
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany55 Posts
July 26 2013 04:33 GMT
#25
He is just a retard since ever you just cant like him.
Terran is pretty Winning everything on High Tier Level like Gsl/Starleague
And yeah Proleague Toss is dominating but in the High Skill Players Like Innovation,Soulkey, Fantasy doesnt win Tosses that much or am i Wrong? Proleague is btw a PVP Fest

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MangoSnap
Profile Joined July 2012
United States184 Posts
July 26 2013 04:34 GMT
#26
Pretty bad questions honestly, especially the one about the pace of the game. Do they really think Blizz is just going to change the entire speed of the game right now when almost nobody complains about it?
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
July 26 2013 04:34 GMT
#27
The questioning was a little weird, but Kim's answers about protoss were very telling of how little they really understand what's happening.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 04:44:48
July 26 2013 04:35 GMT
#28
On July 26 2013 13:00 Kim Hyuna wrote:
David Kim is an idiot.

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David Kim: Overall, Protoss is not weak. In a lot of Ro32, Protoss has a stable and high presence. This is not a problem of SC2. It seems like there are fewer top Protoss players out there, at least fewer than Terran and Zerg. So I think we need to look for more new top Protoss players, and then the situation will change. If the number is getting worse [for Protoss], then we will consider change some Protoss units. In addition, in Dreamhack, Stardust got the championship. WCS S1 NA had a lot of Protoss. These numbers make me relaxed.


We already seen TOP protoss players playing inside KR. And almost zero success in taking one major title here in KR.

Isn't (P)PartinG, (P)Rain, (P)First, (P)MC etc top Protoss players? I don't see any NEW upcoming top protoss coming near.

And, Stardust is playing against Foreigner and not TOP Z/T players from KR. And his win against JD is nothing HUGE because JD is known for his weakness in PvZ. What an idiot again.

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David Kim: I think, in WOL, Protoss's strategy was too narrowed. Basically you only need to turtle up for a big army and then win with one push. But now the situation is different. We add oracle for harassment and change the warp prism's speed. These give more choices for Protoss players. I hope we can see more competitive games.


Isn't that what Protossers has been doing? It's either turtle up for one fucking push or 2 base all in. Oracle? It's a shit unit.

Obviously he hates Protoss since WOL days.


Yeah, the fact people think because someone wins a foreigner event that protoss across the board is then stable somehow does not compute for me... Like, do they even look at the brackets, who is playing who, race distribution, the tournament itself or do they just look at the race...?
As you noted, I'm not quite sure who he expects to be better than Rain and Parting... they're more or less the two best protoss right now, baring a few others, and they're on the same team working their asses off together. If they still cannot come up with anything other than 1 off strats for proleague then the issue still stands that Protoss cannot win a prolonged series in any major korean tournament. I'd argue that this is evident in lower skill levels as well. Protoss just has issues due to the way it's played in a series.

I hope they start getting serious about this though... It seems like a lot of blunders one after another with the recent WCS announcements so hopefully they can keep up with the players expectations.

also edit:
Abturn: The reason Proleague has so many protoss is because, as I noted, it is a very good race to do new random builds with. They're great in prepared 1 off matches, however, you don't need to look past Partings recent performance where he needed to only practice vs 1 race to see that there might be something to look into. You of course can't measure all of this on one player's performance but looking at history, and his top performances over time it really makes you wonder...
Anime is cuter than you. Legacy of the Void GM Protoss Gameplay: twitch.tv/kyo7763 youtube.com/user/KyoStarcraft/
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Kim Hyuna
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)264 Posts
July 26 2013 04:37 GMT
#29
On July 26 2013 13:33 Abturn wrote:
He is just a retard since ever you just cant like him.
Terran is pretty Winning everything on High Tier Level like Gsl/Starleague
And yeah Proleague Toss is dominating but in the High Skill Players Like Innovation,Soulkey, Fantasy doesnt win Tosses that much or am i Wrong? Proleague is btw a PVP Fest


If you watched yesterday's game SuperNova vs Rain G1. It's retard as hell.

3 base all in with SCV pull/Clocked Ghost/Medivac/Vikings against colo, chargelots, archons and Rain still lose when SuperNova was way way behind.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
July 26 2013 04:37 GMT
#30
How the hell can he say the Viper isn't strong? Like seriously?!

The unit hard counters all Terran factory units and is extremely potent in ZvP also especially when combined with the Swarm Host.

What else could they do to it? Buff its health to 500 and give it an attack? Seriously.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
pookums
Profile Joined December 2010
151 Posts
July 26 2013 04:38 GMT
#31

Q: Have you considered buffing Terran mech?

David Kim: About mech, we are thinking to make it easier to use. In fact, in WOL, TvT had a lot of mech, but in TvP and TvZ mech didn't get used much.


No. Please no David Kim. If you want to do anything to it then please buff it but make it harder to use. Let there be something that really rewards tip top players.
Lokerek
Profile Joined December 2011
United States441 Posts
July 26 2013 04:39 GMT
#32
Seriously, why does every single interviewer of David Kim is so unprepared and scared to confront him and instead they give us stupid and meaningless answers with which 95% of TL users here will disagree with backed up stats of recent tourneys.

Why can't they do follow up questions but instead let Kim say what he wants and get away easy.
Kim Hyuna
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)264 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 04:42:49
July 26 2013 04:40 GMT
#33
And yes, please consider nerfing swarm host. It's stupid like fuck.

Free units to win every fucking game.

And lastly, as you can see the latest trend in ZvZ, JUST MASS ROACHES. It's fine. The one who has the most upgraded roaches win.

Why? Cos it's cheap and stupid as fuck. Have you ever see PvP MASS stalkers against stalkers?

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havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 04:57:21
July 26 2013 04:41 GMT
#34
These interview questions are so bad. The first question is literally "ZERG UP WAAAAAAH BOOF NAO?!?!"

I feel bad David Kim has to answer these whining-disguised-as-a-question all the time. I don't know how a man could keep composure when assaulted with such idiocy.

On July 26 2013 13:39 Lokerek wrote:
Seriously, why does every single interviewer of David Kim is so unprepared and scared to confront him and instead they give us stupid and meaningless answers with which 95% of TL users here will disagree with backed up stats of recent tourneys.


95% of TL don't know a damn thing about balance. If Blizzard let 95% of TL balance their game, it would be an absolute disaster.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
July 26 2013 04:42 GMT
#35
On July 26 2013 13:37 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 13:33 Abturn wrote:
He is just a retard since ever you just cant like him.
Terran is pretty Winning everything on High Tier Level like Gsl/Starleague
And yeah Proleague Toss is dominating but in the High Skill Players Like Innovation,Soulkey, Fantasy doesnt win Tosses that much or am i Wrong? Proleague is btw a PVP Fest


If you watched yesterday's game SuperNova vs Rain G1. It's retard as hell.

3 base all in with SCV pull/Clocked Ghost/Medivac/Vikings against colo, chargelots, archons and Rain still lose when SuperNova was way way behind.



Rain BARELY lost, and he lost because Supernova out micro'd him ridiculously well with his Ghosts. Listen to Artosis' post game analysis on that one he explains all of the "what ifs" better than I can.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Kim Hyuna
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)264 Posts
July 26 2013 04:43 GMT
#36
On July 26 2013 13:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 13:37 Kim Hyuna wrote:
On July 26 2013 13:33 Abturn wrote:
He is just a retard since ever you just cant like him.
Terran is pretty Winning everything on High Tier Level like Gsl/Starleague
And yeah Proleague Toss is dominating but in the High Skill Players Like Innovation,Soulkey, Fantasy doesnt win Tosses that much or am i Wrong? Proleague is btw a PVP Fest


If you watched yesterday's game SuperNova vs Rain G1. It's retard as hell.

3 base all in with SCV pull/Clocked Ghost/Medivac/Vikings against colo, chargelots, archons and Rain still lose when SuperNova was way way behind.



Rain BARELY lost, and he lost because Supernova out micro'd him ridiculously well with his Ghosts. Listen to Artosis' post game analysis on that one he explains all of the "what ifs" better than I can.


Because of the fucking stim and step. As long as my medivac has energy and FREE MULE on my last mining base. EZ.
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
July 26 2013 04:44 GMT
#37
Q: Have you considered buffing Terran mech?

David Kim: About mech, we are thinking to make it easier to use. In fact, in WOL, TvT had a lot of mech, but in TvP and TvZ mech didn't get used much.

Overall, we are focusing on the strength and weakness of certain units. We don't have a clear plan for mech right now, but it depends on the situation in the future.


Yes, please buff mech so I can stop playing bio already (or at least you know, have the choice not to)
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
MVK
Profile Joined January 2013
Romania11 Posts
July 26 2013 04:45 GMT
#38
On July 26 2013 13:05 Kim Hyuna wrote:


And still NO stalkers buff since WOL days. Seriously? Not whining about balance but what the fuck?



any buff to stalker would cause having insane pvt winrates
Kim Hyuna
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)264 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 04:48:19
July 26 2013 04:47 GMT
#39
On July 26 2013 13:45 MVK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 13:05 Kim Hyuna wrote:


And still NO stalkers buff since WOL days. Seriously? Not whining about balance but what the fuck?



any buff to stalker would cause having insane pvt winrates


Please explain.

Is it because you always got blink stalkers all in? Cos i always do that on ladder if they failed to scout. If scouted, it's very easy to defend.

Buff is just an word. It could be reduce resource, etc. Not damage output in any sense.
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EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 04:50:48
July 26 2013 04:50 GMT
#40
Mech as terran would be great if the immortal would be nerfed seriously that harden shields has got to go.... then tvp mech would be sick cool to watch!

and I'm totally ok with viper being buffed ; )
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