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Interview of David Kim about Balance in IEM - Page 28

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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
August 05 2013 05:14 GMT
#541
Holy moly, there is yet another interview about David Kim's balance talk with Chinese casual players. I am translating it now.

Three interviews... David Kim is talking so much in China.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
August 05 2013 05:19 GMT
#542
cool, hope some super awesome stuff is said
(redesign of the entire game inc)
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:21:41
August 05 2013 05:28 GMT
#543
David Kim's balance talk with Chinese Casual Players (Not the same interview with the progamer) [simplified translation]

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Q: SC2 is faster than Warcraft3, have you thought about changing game speed?

David Kim: It's hard to weight between causal and pro gamers. We have a speed option, but it seems like no one is using it, even the casual players. Maybe the fast speed like a progamer is why it is attractive to play SC2.

Q: Have you thought about free race every week? Like LoL's free heroes every week.

David Kim: Interesting thought. I can't guarantee anything. I will feedback this advice to the team. We hope that more players support our game. But changing from a singleplayer game to a multiplayer game is not easy.

Q: SC2 is hard for players of other games. How to improve the fun of the game?

David Kim: Our emphasis of fun is on arcade mode and 2v2/3v3/4v4. Not everyone likes 1v1, and not everything players 1v1.

Q: Shouldn't there be some limits of KR players in WCS NA/EU?

David Kim: This is first year of this system, so we don't want too many limitations. We will mostly not make change this year. Next year there may be some changes.

Q: Will SC2 get an ingame stream system like Dota2?

David Kim: We have been improving our observing system. Ingame stream system is great. But it's not the core of our development at the moment.

Q: As a girl, I am thinking whether there will be more female units?

David Kim: ...... this is the area of our art team. In fact, we want more female units.

Q: Will the campaign be about all three races in LotV?

David Kim: Good idea. We may do so in LotV.

Q: Have you thought about putting campaign units into 3v3 and 4v4?

David Kim: Actually, for example, our design team has considered to put lurker into the multiplayer game. We tried many times. But colossus has long range, immortal has anti-armored damage, and Terran has marauder, all of which counter the lurker.

Q: Will there be some rewards for mapmakers?

David Kim: In fact, we are discussing this. But I can't reveal the details.

Q: Any news about Blizzard All-Stars?

David Kim: Haha, you know, coming soon.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 05:46:47
August 05 2013 05:34 GMT
#544
I don't know if the admin can change the title into "David Kim's Balance Interviews and Talks in China"? Because the content is obviously changed.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
August 05 2013 05:51 GMT
#545
wow they have tried to put lurker in the game many times....cooool
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 05 2013 07:31 GMT
#546
Free race every week? I don't understand that one. LoL and Dota are free to play, SC2 is a paying game
maru lover forever
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 07:36:19
August 05 2013 07:35 GMT
#547
On August 05 2013 16:31 Incognoto wrote:
Free race every week? I don't understand that one. LoL and Dota are free to play, SC2 is a paying game

The Starter Edition let's you play online only as Terran. Also for anyone with WoL only, you can get a buddy with HotS to party up with you and you will be able to play HotS together with him, but only as Terran.

The person suggested instead of being only able to play Terran, that every week/month/whatever Blizzard rotates through the one race you're forced to play. So maybe in July Starter Edition and people being spawned up can only play Terran, then in August they can only play Zerg, etc. That way people can try out all three races to find one they like, and if they get hooked they can buy the whole game.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 05 2013 07:36 GMT
#548
On August 05 2013 16:35 juicyjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 16:31 Incognoto wrote:
Free race every week? I don't understand that one. LoL and Dota are free to play, SC2 is a paying game

The Starter Edition let's you play online only as Terran. Also for anyone with WoL only, you can get a buddy with HotS to party up with you and you will be able to play HotS together with him, but only as Terran.

The person suggested instead of being only able to play Terran, that every week/month/whatever Blizzard rotates through the one race you're forced to play. So maybe in July Starter Edition and people being spawned up can only play Terran, then in August they can only play Zerg, etc. That way people can try out all three races to find one they like, and if they get hooked they can buy the whole game.


AH, that makes more sense, I guess indeed it's not a bad idea.
maru lover forever
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12384 Posts
August 05 2013 07:55 GMT
#549
I will translate the Balance talk between David Kim, Jim and XY a little bit. Some I thought was interesting:
Xy thinks that balancing terran based upon the best of korean terran is unfair since there is a huge skill difference in foreigners and korean top terran.
David Kim said the balance issue is NOT about any region players, the balance will be studied through data across the globe

David Kim thinks widow mines encourages zerg micro which is fun to watch for specutators.
Similarly, medivac speed boost will not likely to have a cooldown increase because harass units are more fun to watch for the game. He thinks right now Terran is NOT a weak race and will be weaker if a nerf is hit

Balance will happen if any of the two appears.
If one race becomes too strong
If one strategy becomes too easy (not sure if that is what he meant)

PvP is what they like now because there is variety of strategy available, late game option for protoss is minimal but not a lot of games get to late game.

(From Xy) TvZ is becoming stale because Terran don't have a lot of aggressive opening and has to go for economy management
David Kim dislike games that are over too fast

How to change the banshee is still being looked at.

Any mechanical challenging but unobservable by the specutators will be changed. David Kim used the example of only having one production facility on one controlgroup. But it won't make the game too easy since this is a esport game

Why there is no specific matchup queuing on ladder is because they think it might increase the search time by a lot.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
August 05 2013 09:22 GMT
#550
I think David needs to resign. He has own view of how the game 'should be' and tries hard to make it work. e.g. More actions = more fun. RTS is a strategy, things like defender's advantage, army positioning and long-term decisions should be core part of the game, which are mostly ignored by DK.

He is not the right person for the game. We've been waiting for 3.5 years already, time to move on.
Fluid
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada136 Posts
August 05 2013 09:31 GMT
#551
On August 05 2013 18:22 saddaromma wrote:
I think David needs to resign. He has own view of how the game 'should be' and tries hard to make it work. e.g. More actions = more fun. RTS is a strategy, things like defender's advantage, army positioning and long-term decisions should be core part of the game, which are mostly ignored by DK.

He is not the right person for the game. We've been waiting for 3.5 years already, time to move on.


It's too late for that, the damage has been done from the start. It would take a completely new game to make sc2 feel like brood war was AND to make it as popular as dota2/LoL. What you can do right now, if you hate the way sc2 is being balanced, is to play some of the custom alternatives like sc2:bw and starbow. If one of these gets really popular it will make the game itself more popular since people will buy sc2 to play starbow. Just like people bought wc3:tft to play dota.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
August 05 2013 09:36 GMT
#552
I like the Chinese interviews, no fannying about like most of the EU/AM ones.

Also, Banshee change?
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TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
August 05 2013 09:40 GMT
#553
Q: Have you thought about putting campaign units into 3v3 and 4v4?

David Kim: Actually, for example, our design team has considered to put lurker into the multiplayer game. We tried many times. But colossus has long range, immortal has anti-armored damage, and Terran has marauder, all of which counter the lurker. .;............



I will not cry balance. I will not cry incompetence. But if your going to fucking use the excuse of not including the lurker because its roll overlaps with the baneling STICK WITH IT because its a better fucking argument than this crap just spewed.

Though i understand the context of his answer might have been scewed through translation.

ignoring my rage. What a stupid way to answer a question about 3v3 4v4

Forever ZeNEX.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 09:44:03
August 05 2013 09:43 GMT
#554
On August 05 2013 18:22 saddaromma wrote:
I think David needs to resign. He has own view of how the game 'should be' and tries hard to make it work. e.g. More actions = more fun. RTS is a strategy, things like defender's advantage, army positioning and long-term decisions should be core part of the game, which are mostly ignored by DK.

He is not the right person for the game. We've been waiting for 3.5 years already, time to move on.


Huh?

He has own view of how the game 'should be' and tries hard to make it work


How is this a bad thing? Everyone has an idea of what the game should be. More actions (what does that even mean? higher apm requirements?) is just another way for a player to outplay the other and that's a good thing. It's part of what makes Starcraft what it is.

Defenders advantage, unit positioning and long term decisions are a core part of the game (well, ok, Protoss tries pretty fucking hard to dodge defenders advantage but I argue that keeping tabs on pylons and shutting them down is part of a defenders duty vs them! It's possible to get your defences in order against a protoss that has to move across the map and get a pylon down as long as you notice it early) and frequently games are dependent on that sort of thing. But so is good build orders and mindgames, a bit of risk taking, a bit of scouting, a bit of timing sense, good decisions and good macro.

Also, Strategy is just a term that means "overall plan on how to win the game". 6pool is a strategy.

Balance is in a pretty good spot in HotS so far, most people at IEM SH (as far as I know) were telling him this. Why should he resign?
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
August 05 2013 10:24 GMT
#555
On August 05 2013 14:51 Foxxan wrote:
wow they have tried to put lurker in the game many times....cooool


haha, yeah please keep trying, change the armor type and make them fast :D
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
myRZeth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1047 Posts
August 05 2013 10:30 GMT
#556
the newest interview is pure shit, sorry, but that s how i have to say it

his answers are terrible and his views as well
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10686 Posts
August 05 2013 10:30 GMT
#557
The Lurker actually is ingame.

But it now does friendly fire and only fires once every century... And sometimes ends a game in an instant just because "bam"... It's also a Terran unit.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
August 05 2013 10:40 GMT
#558
On August 05 2013 19:30 Velr wrote:
The Lurker actually is ingame.

But it now does friendly fire and only fires once every century... And sometimes ends a game in an instant just because "bam"... It's also a Terran unit.

are you talking about burrowed reaver?? WM is not like lurker at all, only burrow to attack is the same
yo
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
August 05 2013 10:54 GMT
#559
There are some serious translation problems or a lot of the answers are just terrible lol
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
August 05 2013 11:00 GMT
#560
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