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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On July 26 2013 13:43 Kim Hyuna wrote: Because of the fucking stim and step. As long as my medivac has energy and FREE MULE on my last mining base. EZ. Are you forgetting that rain somehow managed to amass an army capable of beating supernovas despite losing 18 scvs super early? Quit being so biased, tvp is so in favor of protoss its unreal. User was warned for this post | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On July 26 2013 13:00 Kim Hyuna wrote: David Kim is an idiot. We already seen TOP protoss players playing inside KR. And almost zero success in taking one major title here in KR. Isn't  PartinG, Rain, First, MC etc top Protoss players? I don't see any NEW upcoming top protoss coming near.And, Stardust is playing against Foreigner and not TOP Z/T players from KR. And his win against JD is nothing HUGE because JD is known for his weakness in PvZ. What an idiot again. Isn't that what Protossers has been doing? It's either turtle up for one fucking push or 2 base all in. Oracle? It's a shit unit. Obviously he hates Protoss since WOL days. wow dawg, you need to calm down and rethink your opinion...... Watch protoss players play plz. All of the games that "Parting, Rain, First, MC, etc top Protoss players" lose, tend to be retarded losses. Parting is not a top player anymore like he used to be. Not because he plays Protoss, but just because he plays MUCH worse than he did before. He's still a solid player, still Code S material, but he's not a champion. What David Kim is saying is that Protoss players need to get better. It's very possible... You can see it in nearly every game you watch that Protoss has the potential. The top Protoss players just aren't playing as good as the top Terran and Zerg players. Watching Innovation play doesn't make you say "damn, terran is IMBA!!!!" instead, it makes you say "damn, that guys brain and fingers are sooooo good!!!!" Watching the top Zerg players makes you say the same thing. They make excellent, skill based decisions, and WIN games with their own ability. Protoss players have done that in the past, but they don't have anyone good enough to properly represent them. Rain is probably the best Protoss player right now, but he's very stylistic and predictable. He's very skilled, but skill is not everything you need to win SC2. Everything David Kim said was pretty spot on, and it's the same opinion that I've had, and the only standpoint that has been overly apparent in all Protoss games played in major tournaments. You seem to be a sc2 fan, but you don't seem to closely watch Protoss games.... Please calm down and pay attention to how Protoss plays when they win, and how they play when they lose. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
The first question is so terrible "Zerg just won 50 starleagues one after another, but zerg UP, please buff" Yeah ok. My impression is that the guy interviewing DK is a guy paid by Riot or something to do a troll interview. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On July 26 2013 13:51 Shinta) wrote: wow dawg, you need to calm down and rethink your opinion...... Watch protoss players play plz. All of the games that "Parting, Rain, First, MC, etc top Protoss players" lose, tend to be retarded losses. Parting is not a top player anymore like he used to be. Not because he plays Protoss, but just because he plays MUCH worse than he did before. He's still a solid player, still Code S material, but he's not a champion. What David Kim is saying is that Protoss players need to get better. It's very possible... You can see it in nearly every game you watch that Protoss has the potential. The top Protoss players just aren't playing as good as the top Terran and Zerg players. Watching Innovation play doesn't make you say "damn, terran is IMBA!!!!" instead, it makes you say "damn, that guys brain and fingers are sooooo good!!!!" Watching the top Zerg players makes you say the same thing. They make excellent, skill based decisions, and WIN games with their own ability. Protoss players have done that in the past, but they don't have anyone good enough to properly represent them. Rain is probably the best Protoss player right now, but he's very stylistic and predictable. He's very skilled, but skill is not everything you need to win SC2. Everything David Kim said was pretty spot on, and it's the same opinion that I've had, and the only standpoint that has been overly apparent in all Protoss games played in major tournaments. You seem to be a sc2 fan, but you don't seem to closely watch Protoss games.... Please calm down and pay attention to how Protoss plays when they win, and how they play when they lose. I do pay attention but I think the race forces a really "gimmicky" play style that make people say "oh that loss is stupid" when they lose. I don't even know what this "really good" play would look like. I think it just may not be possible within the current race mechanics. I'm not saying they can't win but when everything looks like a gimmick it could be that the race is silly. | ||
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midnight999
United States257 Posts
On July 26 2013 13:50 EGLzGaMeR wrote: Mech as terran would be great if the immortal would be nerfed seriously that harden shields has got to go.... then tvp mech would be sick cool to watch! and I'm totally ok with viper being buffed ; ) Viper buff seems like a really bad idea. | ||
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havok55
United States276 Posts
Keep up the good work [of ignoring moronic balance whines], DK. | ||
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RHGaming
United States83 Posts
On July 26 2013 12:57 Pheon wrote: I don't know if making 'matter of fact' statements in the questions are so appropriate, but good interview nonetheless. Yea this is what I was thinking the entire time I was reading. | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16097 Posts
On July 26 2013 13:50 EGLzGaMeR wrote: Mech as terran would be great if the immortal would be nerfed seriously that harden shields has got to go.... then tvp mech would be sick cool to watch! and I'm totally ok with viper being buffed ; ) That's ironic, you want to buff Mech so it can fight Protoss yet you want to buff the unit that's probably most responsible for never seeing it vs Zerg. I hope your saying you were ok with a Viper buff is just you being snarky. | ||
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woopr
United States112 Posts
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Kim Hyuna
Korea (South)264 Posts
On July 26 2013 13:51 Shinta) wrote: wow dawg, you need to calm down and rethink your opinion...... Watch protoss players play plz. All of the games that "Parting, Rain, First, MC, etc top Protoss players" lose, tend to be retarded losses. Parting is not a top player anymore like he used to be. Not because he plays Protoss, but just because he plays MUCH worse than he did before. He's still a solid player, still Code S material, but he's not a champion. What David Kim is saying is that Protoss players need to get better. It's very possible... You can see it in nearly every game you watch that Protoss has the potential. The top Protoss players just aren't playing as good as the top Terran and Zerg players. Watching Innovation play doesn't make you say "damn, terran is IMBA!!!!" instead, it makes you say "damn, that guys brain and fingers are sooooo good!!!!" Watching the top Zerg players makes you say the same thing. They make excellent, skill based decisions, and WIN games with their own ability. Protoss players have done that in the past, but they don't have anyone good enough to properly represent them. Rain is probably the best Protoss player right now, but he's very stylistic and predictable. He's very skilled, but skill is not everything you need to win SC2. Everything David Kim said was pretty spot on, and it's the same opinion that I've had, and the only standpoint that has been overly apparent in all Protoss games played in major tournaments. You seem to be a sc2 fan, but you don't seem to closely watch Protoss games.... Please calm down and pay attention to how Protoss plays when they win, and how they play when they lose. I'm already very clam since WOL days. I don't get it when people says "Protoss tends to throw games away or isn't playing as top Z/T players". Protoss is pretty crap in early/mid games because it requires higher tech and resources to get to the critical mass. When Protoss goes for "Gimmick" plays with speed WP people called it damn "Protoss EZ race, A move and win" or "EZ, just two base all in to win". Protoss has not been producing results NOT because of skill wise or not using their brain to think but it's the current metagame that makes Protoss not getting wins at major tournament especially here in KR. Protoss are generally very predictable and is running out of ideas. When David said Oracle, good unit, it's bullshit. It got shutdown completely if it got scout. And to answer you, yes i watched tons of Protoss matches. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On July 26 2013 13:50 bo1b wrote: Quit being so biased, tvp is so in favor of protoss its unreal. Hypocrisy at its finest | ||
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MVK
Romania11 Posts
On July 26 2013 13:47 Kim Hyuna wrote: Please explain. Is it because you always got blink stalkers all in? Cos i always do that on ladder if they failed to scout. If scouted, it's very easy to defend. Buff is just an word. It could be reduce resource, etc. Not damage output in any sense. Stalkers aren't only used for blink all in you know, but zealot stalker msc push or drop defense, they are doing well against vikings and roaches aswell. I don't see a reason protoss buff it besides you having bad times in your matchups | ||
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P_e_X
Germany43 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
Not really | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
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blobrus
4297 Posts
It seems pretty obvious to me it's the way the race is designed that's the problem, not the players. | ||
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ETisME
12502 Posts
Buffing mech won't help because bio mine is much more viable on lots of maps and less risk high reward. Every zvt is about: Whether terran can defend roach ling baneling all in or If Zerg can defend all the bio mine push and drops And not to fall top behind in base count and tech before terran has too much macro advantage and tech switch for raven. | ||
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EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
What does that mean exactly? There's not less actual Protoss players, but there's less ones at the top.. So wouldn't that mean they are in fact underperforming? I think though more fundamentally, there's a bit of a disconnect between what they think is 'interesting' or 'entertaining' in a match up, and what many of us think is. Some very good strategic drops are interesting....but having a game dominated by 30+ drops harassing and picking up over and over starts to feel more like 'Well, that's just kind of bullshit' There's kind of a diminishing returns on it. People like some cool gimmicks, but when the gimmicks just become the standard it can be obnoxious after a while. It's kind of hard to see constant hellbat drops or simultaneous widow mine drops take out 25 workers and have the audience think 'Oh well deserved, excellent' I'm picking on Terran there, Oracle is similar, though it can be shut down colder. I think there's a problem with Protoss being too conventional, Protoss 98% of the time just wants to engage their full army vs yours. While it feels Terran relies all on unconventional tactics...they very rarely would want their whole army fighting yours, if they could micro it, they'd be happier dropping 12 different spots at once. Too conventional and too unconventional are both bad, there's got to be a better mix of viable options in all 3 races and there's just not. | ||
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