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robson1
3632 Posts
On July 01 2013 21:35 GhostOwl wrote: I don't trust this data, especially from a guy called "ChaosTerran", no offense. HoTS has messed up balance heavily...and it's currently a big mess right now. Haha. I don't trust the numbers because of the user name. Terran is clearly imbalanced. =D | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On July 01 2013 21:35 GhostOwl wrote: I don't trust this data, especially from a guy called "ChaosTerran", no offense. HoTS has messed up balance heavily...and it's currently a big mess right now. Wow, this is some next level paranoia. | ||
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Railgan
Switzerland1508 Posts
On July 01 2013 21:27 DarkLordOlli wrote: Later yo. I could just call you out the same way for believing that HerO wasn't the best player there but what's the point. It's all opinions in the end. Feel free to disagree but "loling so hard" makes you a jackass. Taking the moral highground, coming from someone whose post count is mostly composed of hanging around the Automated Ban List thread making fun of others for being banned and the occasional attack on Nerchio in LR threads is rather ironic. I believe he just wanted to say calling any other player in WCS AM out of Hero's league and discrediting the win to Protoss because Hero won doesn't really make sense. | ||
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
On July 01 2013 21:37 robson1 wrote: Haha. I don't trust the numbers because of the user name. Terran is clearly imbalanced. =D I never said anything. I just said I don't trust the data. I do trust the numbers, but we don't know how he got those numbers. | ||
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VmY
Netherlands1286 Posts
On July 01 2013 22:09 GhostOwl wrote: I never said anything. I just said I don't trust the data. I do trust the numbers, but we don't know how he got those numbers. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1hers1/winrates_june_source_liquipedia/ All Premier Tournaments All Major Tournaments All Direct Qualifiers to Premier Tournaments (this does not include Qualifiers for Qualifiers *only incl. later stages) All Premier Teamleagues (GSTL, ATC and PL) All Monthly Finals (Go4SC2 and Zotac Top 16, no weekly tournaments) Good to see an overall nice balance. Protoss is looking pretty strong (Especially in Korea) but I don't think that's something to worry about, after all protoss players are really good at losing in the finals (Jokes <3) Still hope they tweak hellbats for the sake of TvT though. | ||
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ETisME
12737 Posts
Even the so called imbalanced zvp had a fairly even win rate, balanced by immortal sentries all in and broodlord infestor deathballs I think there are too many roach ling baneling all in style in TvZ right now | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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angelwork
Seychelles36 Posts
Good balance over all  | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On July 01 2013 21:19 Lonyo wrote: Well, they kind of started to with stale swarmhost use every lategame for Z, but I don't recall seeing that so much more recently, so hopefully it's become less prevalent. The host strat I think is usually more of an answer to the standard "Turtle to 200, deathball push" strategy. If the toss is harassing all game long with air and prisms and zealots it's more typically mutas/lings/roaches/hydras. | ||
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Trizz
Netherlands1323 Posts
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snexwang
Australia224 Posts
edit: I almost feel obligated to make this a martyr post because I'm balance whining. Shame on me. | ||
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Traceback
United States469 Posts
On July 01 2013 22:09 GhostOwl wrote: I never said anything. I just said I don't trust the data. I do trust the numbers, but we don't know how he got those numbers. It says right in the OP where the data came from... | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
IMO Bo3/5/7 is a better representation of skill and therefore more reliable for determining balance. | ||
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On July 01 2013 22:15 ETisME wrote: Problem is that win rate had always looked fairly balanced, other than some tvz mass ghost, 4 gate and initial few months of infestor change. Even the so called imbalanced zvp had a fairly even win rate, balanced by immortal sentries all in and broodlord infestor deathballs I think there are too many roach ling baneling all in style in TvZ right now That's just a trend because Terran are feeling a bit too safe right now. | ||
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GeNi
United States49 Posts
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On July 01 2013 23:03 GeNi wrote: Stardust won with 2 base all ins pretty much the whole tournament. I can't count that. So pretty much HerO is the only toss that has won using legit mechanics and macro and whatever So are we also gonna count that in tournaments? 'Yeah you did defeat him, but you didn't have 4 bases, so thats an all-in, which we really cannot count as a win'. | ||
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VmY
Netherlands1286 Posts
On July 01 2013 23:03 GeNi wrote: Stardust won with 2 base all ins pretty much the whole tournament. I can't count that. So pretty much HerO is the only toss that has won using legit mechanics and macro and whatever Well Mvp was better then anyone else at WCS, so not going to count that. Innovation screwed up at GSL finals, not going to count Soulkey's win. sOs made some mistakes against Innovation, so we won't count that either. We can make exuses for every win that way. Edit: I was wondering why people in general put so much emphasis on the winner of the tournament. Look at MLG, 7 protoss in the top 16 (Where the WCS points are earned) but TvZ finals, does this make protoss UP? HSC had 1 terran in the top 8, and he won, does this make terran OP? The finals are just another best of 3/5/7 series in the tournament. Overall there seems to be a fairly good distribution of top16 placements, with some exceptions. I believe there have been 2 cases of 1 terran or 1 protoss in the top 8, and 1 tournament with 1 zerg in the top 8. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
The fact is that the "standard" build that Terrans have been doing, with hellbat drop harass and such is VERY greedy. Once they get all-ined enough by Zerg, they will be forced to invest a little more into defense and sacrifice some macro. Then the Zerg won't have to commit as hard to attacking because they won't be as far behind economically. BALANCE. | ||
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