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saddaromma
1129 Posts
On June 20 2013 13:05 scCassius wrote: Zealot counters in PvT are actually quite strong. DTs are good too. place a hellbat and turret in your mineral line. Put PF at your 3rd and 4th. There's nothing wp can do, other than warping in bunch of units and donating them to terran. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On June 20 2013 13:12 EFermi wrote: No hellbat nerf? Why?? Tell that to herO when he played Taeja in proleague from a week ago. This isn't WoL, terran has a superior counter to every single protoss unit. Taeja is a superior player to herO, and should therefore win a majority of those matches. And the same could be said for protoss having a superior counter for every single terran unit, it just all depends on how those units are used during the engagement, and protoss micro is insanely easy in a maxed out fight compared to what terran has to do. Husky is a low masters player, and he keeps his entire army on one hotkey, whereas terran needs a minimum of 3 (bio, ghosts, and vikings). | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On June 20 2013 13:27 saddaromma wrote: place a hellbat and turret in your mineral line. Put PF at your 3rd and 4th. There's nothing wp can do, other than warping in bunch of units and donating them to terran. If you put a pf at your third youve already done more economic damage to yourself than the toss could have hoped to do with zlot warp ins. Edit: Also one hellbat is not going to hold off dts | ||
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_Search_
Canada180 Posts
On June 20 2013 11:26 Wombat_NI wrote: How much of that is due to Warp Prisms? Protoss don't even have the cash to really pump into big warpin harassment in the period of the game where the passive speed boost will be applying. In the lategame, Protoss have the money to invest in WPs upgrade which is even faster than the current change is proposing. None but we all know the resurgence of immortal/sentry is just around the corner. It was never fixed in WoL and is still completely broken. It starts with Warp Prism harass that is already completely unpreventable (note: this is Blizzard's idea of a "dynamic" game. Harassment that literally cannot be defended because Zerg isn't allowed to kill air units). Personally I think this buff changes nothing, just like most patches by Blizzard, including the brain-dead spore crawler buff. If anything Blizzard is making their game worse by not coming to grip with facts and dealing with the major problems with their game head-on. All they do is band-aid solutions that really only further reveal the inherent problems. | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
On June 20 2013 07:03 Fig wrote: Yay terrans have to make more than 1 viking to shut down warp prism harass now! They can just rocket boost a medivac full of marines past it and shoot it down with marines! | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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thereggin
United States6 Posts
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EFermi
United States165 Posts
On June 20 2013 13:28 Survivor61316 wrote: Taeja is a superior player to herO, and should therefore win a majority of those matches. And the same could be said for protoss having a superior counter for every single terran unit, it just all depends on how those units are used during the engagement, and protoss micro is insanely easy in a maxed out fight compared to what terran has to do. Husky is a low masters player, and he keeps his entire army on one hotkey, whereas terran needs a minimum of 3 (bio, ghosts, and vikings). Wrong on both accounts. herO is absolutely not inferior to TaeJA in any way, (other than maybe the race he's chosen). Terran units are not countered anywhere near as hard compared to protoss, with the exception of the marine, the dealing of which is the backbone of any XvT build. Protoss hotkeys can be spread out as well if you want perfect control. Doesn't really matter since anyone with 5 fingers can press 1a2a3a. | ||
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00higgo
Australia119 Posts
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On June 20 2013 07:06 Akusta wrote: Your argument is invalid. Which is better? 3+ heal to one unit? Or arbitrary instant troop deployment across the map from 30 production facilities? We would trade Medivacs for Warp prisms any time. | ||
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immanentblue
Denmark110 Posts
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On June 20 2013 13:53 EFermi wrote: Wrong on both accounts. herO is absolutely not inferior to TaeJA in any way, (other than maybe the race he's chosen). Terran units are not countered anywhere near as hard compared to protoss, with the exception of the marine, the dealing of which is the backbone of any XvT build. Protoss hotkeys can be spread out as well if you want perfect control. Doesn't really matter since anyone with 5 fingers can press 1a2a3a. Lol, yeah nice try troll. Just try a moving ghosts at all and see what happens (they die very quickly), or try just a moving vikings into a large group of stalkers (same thing), oh and guess what, same thing with bio. Terran has to split their bio, only commit their vikings if the collosi are actually gonna stay and fire (which is of course at the point and time of toss' choosing), keep their ghosts alive long enough the emp/snipe ht and archons without dying to the instacast feedback, while simultaneously kiting bio vs chargelots, storms, and collosi shots. And what does protoss have to do during this? A move their entire army, which allows the chargelots to force back the bio, giving stalkers more than enough time to pick of the vikings if the commit then, or collosi to gets shots of on ghosts/bio if they dont. Im not saying Terran cant win straight up fights, its just so much more mechanically taxing for them to do so. And as far as herO being "absolutely not inferior to Taeja in any way", thats like, uh, your opinion man. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On June 20 2013 13:59 00higgo wrote: Well there is a lot of Terrans that don't like the idea of being dropped. has to be a good change Lol what a foolish post. Ill give you a hint man, in TVTs, the other Terran can, wait for it, DROP YOU! Its not getting dropped on thats our problem, its giving such a better tool for protoss to do it specifically. And as far as a unit for getting army into your opponents base, the warp prism is much better than the medivac, as one warp prism can easily let 10+ zealots go into the base in a matter of seconds. It would take at least 3 medivacs to match that, which would be a serious commitment, and would be considered a doom drop. | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7997 Posts
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On June 20 2013 09:14 Detri wrote: Nice change, and I am a terran player btw. Protoss need some more viable harass that doesn't involve them going allin. Guess i'll be getting some sensor towers in TvP. It must not be much fun just sitting in your base defending and trying to hit a timing without taking much damage. Should make toss a little more exciting to watch at the pro level too, because at the minute IN GENERAL the protoss matchups are pretty dull to watch (imho) Only worthwhile post in this thread. This man gets it. Shit, this warp prism buff might make me reconsider moving over to Terran. Protoss has just been so GODDAMN boring to play/watch for me lately. | ||
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00higgo
Australia119 Posts
On June 20 2013 14:19 Survivor61316 wrote: Lol what a foolish post. Ill give you a hint man, in TVTs, the other Terran can, wait for it, DROP YOU! Its not getting dropped on thats our problem, its giving such a better tool for protoss to do it specifically. And as far as a unit for getting army into your opponents base, the warp prism is much better than the medivac, as one warp prism can easily let 10+ zealots go into the base in a matter of seconds. It would take at least 3 medivacs to match that, which would be a serious commitment, and would be considered a doom drop. Lol chill dude, you act like this will be the single most imba thing in the game. Defend well and scout bro, and no one is warping 10 zel untill late game unless they are really bad. you should just learn how to deal with it like everyone had to with medivac speed or hellbats in general. | ||
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bypLy
757 Posts
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SsDrKosS
330 Posts
On June 20 2013 10:53 ZackAttack wrote: Everyone Mad. An absolute truth! XD Anyway, why did Blizzard try to nerf Hellbat when hellbat DROP is the problem? (and why did they buffed warp prism with 65% yes vote but still no hellbat nerf when 80+% said yes?) | ||
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00higgo
Australia119 Posts
On June 20 2013 14:41 SsDrKosS wrote: An absolute truth! XD Anyway, why did Blizzard try to nerf Hellbat when hellbat DROP is the problem? (and why did they buffed warp prism with 65% yes vote but still no hellbat nerf when 80+% said yes?) Although i love TL.net i don't think polls on this site affect greatly what blizz does. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On June 20 2013 14:35 00higgo wrote: Lol chill dude, you act like this will be the single most imba thing in the game. Defend well and scout bro, and no one is warping 10 zel untill late game unless they are really bad. you should just learn how to deal with it like everyone had to with medivac speed or hellbats in general. Yeahh, just learn how to deal with it huh? Bc thats good advice.. And are you kidding me, "scout bro"?? Scout what? A robo? Bc that couldnt be used for anything else it a PvT..oh wait. So now we're on defend well..with what? Just leave 10-15 supply at each base in case zlot warp ins come? Not exactly a good solution. We dont have a one size fits all static defense like the photon cannon, or photon overcharge for that matter. | ||
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