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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
June 13 2013 09:45 GMT
#461
I expect to see a lot of Roach+Bane all-ins.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 09:51:28
June 13 2013 09:47 GMT
#462
I for one like the Bo1 format, I think more volatility is just good for SC2 where it is now... Your Flashes, Soulkeys, Innovations etc will still get through and all the players will have to prepare more. And all the matches will be more exciting, with more (or even ALL) on the line. Looking forward to it

Also, this hate for Bo1 is just bandwagon and you are taking some things from the completely different game (start of WoL). HotS is not so random, better player will win in 80% of times. Just look at all the Bo1 qualifiers, better player almost always won (yes, there were surprises, but I think some surprises are a good thing...)
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 09:51:22
June 13 2013 09:48 GMT
#463
On June 13 2013 18:21 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 18:14 Fjodorov wrote:
On June 13 2013 18:09 Qikz wrote:
On June 13 2013 18:02 Fjodorov wrote:
On June 13 2013 17:57 Qikz wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I've always hated the GSL format. I don't like there being two group stages and I especially don't like the Ro32 being Bo3. The games go on for far too long and although it's likely the better player will win anyway in a Bo3, the better player will usually win the first game anyway, making the entire format obselete.

Going back to what I've already said. If you die to a baneling bust, then well you played too greedy and you deserved the loss. Play more conservatively and you won't die to cheese.


The best TvZ players have been losing to all ins since forever because they have to play greedy and its such a thin line to walk. Just look at GSL finals. Its not as simple as saying "just play safe".


They don't have to play greedy, I know the metagame is to go three CC, but if you open with a tank or two tanks, you hold off pretty much every all in and I know that from opening Reaper - 3CC - into mech every single TvZ. The zergs who go for roach bane all ins won't be able to be pushed and they won't have a load of drones, so surely it's better to just get those tanks since you're going to be in the same situation you would have been, just with more defense.

It's better to play safe and not use coinflippy builds if you want to win. If you lose to an all in which you could have defended then you're not the best player.


dude come on.. by the time you push out the zerg is on 5 bases and you are fucked. As i said earlier, these guys arent scrubs.


If you think opening with one tank means the zerg magically can take 5 bases then quite clearly you're being hyperbolic to try and "put down" the format that would work perfectly fine in SC2.

I've seen Fantasy, Flash and Innovation all at different times open with a few tanks and still do their parade pushes, it's just they don't do it every game and they still lose to roach bane.

yeah, ur not adding the extra build time of tanks to the push timing, but rather cutting down the hellions u build from the reactor, so instead of like 6 or so, maybe u only make 2 for minimal map presence than starting tanks to be safer.

Cause if you're getting roach baned map presence isnt the biggest thing better focus on living lol. I guess you do fall a bit behind if you make tanks after 2 hellions and they dont allin you, but with enough good drops, solid play a bit of luck you should pull back to at least even(especially if you're the better player). Its not a unwinable position if you get like 3 tanks.

Should be interesting games, i think its also a good place to copy builds, these are probably going to be pretty ladder safe.
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Gihi
Profile Joined September 2011
384 Posts
June 13 2013 09:52 GMT
#464
Why do so many people think group E is the group of death? Plenty of others seem scarier to me ^^
A, C, F, G all look more exciting to me ^^
Ok E has Jangbi and Life, ans Losira hasn't been doing bad lately. But Fantasy isn't really on the same level is he?
Comogury
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States412 Posts
June 13 2013 09:59 GMT
#465
Bo1 is great. The better player will win most of the time, but it will require much more preparation and even more mental fortitude. This format is where the strongest player shines because he won't crack under the pressure. Besides, it's only Bo1 for the first round anyway. Ro16 will be best of 3 won't it? I don't see why everyone is hating. It's not like the whole tournament is Bo1.

I've always liked how OSL had their entire map order decided beforehand. That way the players can practice maps instead of just matchups in general.
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 09:59:18
June 13 2013 09:59 GMT
#466
On June 13 2013 18:52 Gihi wrote:
Why do so many people think group E is the group of death? Plenty of others seem scarier to me ^^
A, C, F, G all look more exciting to me ^^
Ok E has Jangbi and Life, ans Losira hasn't been doing bad lately. But Fantasy isn't really on the same level is he?

Because (P)JangBi and (T)FanTaSy are so legendary even though they are not on the same level as (Z)Life and (Z)KangHo
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
June 13 2013 10:00 GMT
#467
On June 13 2013 18:59 Jenia6109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 18:52 Gihi wrote:
Why do so many people think group E is the group of death? Plenty of others seem scarier to me ^^
A, C, F, G all look more exciting to me ^^
Ok E has Jangbi and Life, ans Losira hasn't been doing bad lately. But Fantasy isn't really on the same level is he?

Because (P)JangBi and (T)FanTaSy are so legendary even though they are not on the same level as (Z)Life and (Z)KangHo


Kangho is wildly, wildly inconsistant. I'd say both Fantasy and Jangbi are atleast on his level.
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Glubschauge
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria1216 Posts
June 13 2013 10:08 GMT
#468
bo1? back to stone age...
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
June 13 2013 10:31 GMT
#469
At least Leenock got a decent group, but anything can happen in bo1s.

Also don't think any group is stacked enough to be called the group of death. Not any group that I looked at and went "wow...".
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atasje
Profile Joined May 2013
Barbados13 Posts
June 13 2013 10:44 GMT
#470
It's much like patriotism when you think "a particular country is the best in the world because you were born in it", get mad folks, meanwhile OGN doesn't give a flying fuck - the guys have some respect for their traditions. In fact no random scrubs have been crowned in the OSL.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44110 Posts
June 13 2013 10:44 GMT
#471
whoever 6 or 10 pools in a B01 .. he is fvcking ballsy
this is a quote
Oddball28
Profile Joined May 2013
Denmark2121 Posts
June 13 2013 10:48 GMT
#472
Group G is gonna feature some absolutely brutal PvP's holy mother of god. Parting vs Squirtle? I won't even start to think of the outcome..
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 10:52:21
June 13 2013 10:49 GMT
#473
Where's the guy who said that proxy gates didn't happen a lot?
IT JUST HAPPENED AGAIN

On June 13 2013 19:48 Oddball28 wrote:
Group G is gonna feature some absolutely brutal PvP's holy mother of god. Parting vs Squirtle? I won't even start to think of the outcome..


It'll be a silly BO win with one player going balls to the wall because Bo1s are dumb.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
June 13 2013 10:55 GMT
#474
So why exactly is this WCS? Way too many fundamental exceptions and differences in format here. I seriously wonder what Blizzard Korea actually achieved when trying to aim for a unified WCS system. Big fail for me.
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c0olL
Profile Joined November 2012
129 Posts
June 13 2013 10:55 GMT
#475
except a lot of proxy gates, 10 pools, and 11\11.
so exited for this round of cheese. =\
WCS killed code S
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
June 13 2013 10:57 GMT
#476
Will create great excitement, and tremendous hype. I can already see the LR threads tumbling down into "BO1 IS SHHEEEIIIITT" vs "OHMYGODHEFUCKINGDIDIT".

I think there will be one or two surpises but the game isnt that random. Better players will move on just not with boring macro2-0s. There will be a lot of tense moments hopefully and many creative ideas. Outsmarting will be more important than ever. And since these guys prepare, I don't think there'll be that many all-ins or cheeses. That's just too plausible for the opponent too. Who'd wanna fall out of the OSL with a failed cannon rush? (And if someone does it he's just that much braver for doing so -- which will do good for hype, and excitement, once gagain.)
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funKy_KroK
Profile Joined June 2009
France101 Posts
June 13 2013 10:58 GMT
#477
On June 13 2013 18:44 Kylo55 wrote:
I don't get it, if they make group stage bo1 in dual tournament because they don't have enough time to make it bo3, then why they make group stage 2 round robin which obviously takes longer than dual (1 extra match, possible tie).

Well i guess that if i would look at stats the player that wins first game probably wins the bo 3, 70% of the time but still don't like it :/


If's it like BW, round robin stage will be played in severals days
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 11:04:29
June 13 2013 11:04 GMT
#478
aaaaaaaand I am reminded why I hated OSL last year.

Khaldor was right: politics is ruining SC2 in Korea
moo...for DRG
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
June 13 2013 11:07 GMT
#479
I do not understand why a) has so many votes unless (so maybe I do) it's just FlaSh fans plus a few Soulkey fans.
Do all people realise that a group of death is meant to be the hardest to call?
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
June 13 2013 11:10 GMT
#480
i dislike all 3 rounds ro32 ro16 i rly dislike every format and NO vetos NO looserpick ? but rnd ? so its luck if you advance ? osl make wcs korea a joke like the finals was i rly miss GOM
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