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Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
June 11 2013 13:09 GMT
#41
I think I learn more from first person cameras. I remember in one tournament they included an eye sensor so you could see where they were looking. It just shows how much they pay attention to the mineral count and the minimap and less of the actual screen.
Chameleons Cast No Shadows
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 13:15:23
June 11 2013 13:15 GMT
#42
People who watched BW are accustomed to OGN/MBC smoothly switching from observers view to FP view. Same as them showing booth expressions shots (GGaemo mine!).

Things i missed greatly in SC2.
Stork[gm]
IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
June 11 2013 13:22 GMT
#43
On June 11 2013 20:31 A Wild Sosd wrote:
God he just doesnt scroll with his mouse ever.

Oh and by the way: he does edge scroll when he drops. It just happens very fast. For example at 2:03.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 13:29:49
June 11 2013 13:29 GMT
#44
How does he not edge scroll when building stuff in his base, like structures?

How do you guys set the control groups/camera hotkeys up in your base.

[Terran] It's not enough (for me) to have a control group for main CC and one for the barracks. I will definetely edge scroll building ebay, more barracks, starport, factory....
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
June 11 2013 13:36 GMT
#45
Every match should have an FPVOD release, That would be cool. I kinda learned BW a little . More from FPVODS than in normal obs video
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duckmaster
Profile Joined August 2011
687 Posts
June 11 2013 13:36 GMT
#46
On June 11 2013 20:43 sluggaslamoo wrote:
You should see Flash, he is much less spammy and smoother than this


Oh my god, someone is getting praised, gotta make sure people don't think he's better than Flash!
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12042 Posts
June 11 2013 13:38 GMT
#47
On June 11 2013 02:08 Partha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 02:07 mechengineer123 wrote:
Wish every tournament would show fp. So impressive and much more interesting to watch than some semi-afk observer chilling on the army.


This is impossible (?) due to the current environment of tournaments: As far as I know many many pros use custom graphic settings and for a broadcaster to switch between FPs that have graphic inconsistencies is not a wise move. If they enforced a rule where everyone has to play on one setting then this would be resolved but players would complain.


You can literally watch someones FPVOD through the game.
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Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
June 11 2013 14:38 GMT
#48
this is interesting because you get to see how hellbat drops work.

comparing it to any other drop it looks a little lame. he is pretty much charging in with the medvac+bats with the intent to do damage regardless of the loss.

you hardly see that kind of dropping intent with other units because it costs wayy fucking more to do it.

to me it seems clear not just from this video but from playing many games that terrans know or least subconsciously know its not a large cost to sacrifice the vac and the bat because the rewards is just so much higher than any other drop harass. (also easier)

ive read both current hellbat threads recently and was very happy to hear a possible change coming.
willstertben
Profile Joined May 2013
427 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 14:41:29
June 11 2013 14:40 GMT
#49
On June 11 2013 22:38 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 02:08 Partha wrote:
On June 11 2013 02:07 mechengineer123 wrote:
Wish every tournament would show fp. So impressive and much more interesting to watch than some semi-afk observer chilling on the army.


This is impossible (?) due to the current environment of tournaments: As far as I know many many pros use custom graphic settings and for a broadcaster to switch between FPs that have graphic inconsistencies is not a wise move. If they enforced a rule where everyone has to play on one setting then this would be resolved but players would complain.


You can literally watch someones FPVOD through the game.


replays are pretty hard to get. also you don't see the mouse cursor (which is something blizzard should change. Dota does it so it's definitely possible).
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
June 11 2013 14:42 GMT
#50
On June 11 2013 23:38 Chrono000 wrote:
this is interesting because you get to see how hellbat drops work.

comparing it to any other drop it looks a little lame. he is pretty much charging in with the medvac+bats with the intent to do damage regardless of the loss.

you hardly see that kind of dropping intent with other units because it costs wayy fucking more to do it.

to me it seems clear not just from this video but from playing many games that terrans know or least subconsciously know its not a large cost to sacrifice the vac and the bat because the rewards is just so much higher than any other drop harass. (also easier)

ive read both current hellbat threads recently and was very happy to hear a possible change coming.

You managed to do a hellbat whine in a thread which has no link with them. Furthermore, you managed to do a very intelligent one! Congratz!
I actually real think your comment is clever and I'm not bashing you
It's good to be back
Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
June 11 2013 15:42 GMT
#51
On June 11 2013 23:42 Lazzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 23:38 Chrono000 wrote:
this is interesting because you get to see how hellbat drops work.

comparing it to any other drop it looks a little lame. he is pretty much charging in with the medvac+bats with the intent to do damage regardless of the loss.

you hardly see that kind of dropping intent with other units because it costs wayy fucking more to do it.

to me it seems clear not just from this video but from playing many games that terrans know or least subconsciously know its not a large cost to sacrifice the vac and the bat because the rewards is just so much higher than any other drop harass. (also easier)

ive read both current hellbat threads recently and was very happy to hear a possible change coming.

You managed to do a hellbat whine in a thread which has no link with them. Furthermore, you managed to do a very intelligent one! Congratz!
I actually real think your comment is clever and I'm not bashing you


impossible to tell if its a true troll or a double troll.

What i do know is this; no matter what i read, hear and see, all i think about is the hellbat and how much of a problem is it in the sc2 world. its a little like poverty in the real world is such an obvious problem but its still unfixed and it sadness me to no end.
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
June 11 2013 15:52 GMT
#52
On June 12 2013 00:42 Chrono000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 23:42 Lazzi wrote:
On June 11 2013 23:38 Chrono000 wrote:
this is interesting because you get to see how hellbat drops work.

comparing it to any other drop it looks a little lame. he is pretty much charging in with the medvac+bats with the intent to do damage regardless of the loss.

you hardly see that kind of dropping intent with other units because it costs wayy fucking more to do it.

to me it seems clear not just from this video but from playing many games that terrans know or least subconsciously know its not a large cost to sacrifice the vac and the bat because the rewards is just so much higher than any other drop harass. (also easier)

ive read both current hellbat threads recently and was very happy to hear a possible change coming.

You managed to do a hellbat whine in a thread which has no link with them. Furthermore, you managed to do a very intelligent one! Congratz!
I actually real think your comment is clever and I'm not bashing you


impossible to tell if its a true troll or a double troll.

What i do know is this; no matter what i read, hear and see, all i think about is the hellbat and how much of a problem is it in the sc2 world. its a little like poverty in the real world is such an obvious problem but its still unfixed and it sadness me to no end.

It isn't a troll, but I found it quite funny . I do really think too that Hellbat is a problem and rather an huge one but it just wasn't the topic here.
It's good to be back
IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
June 12 2013 10:00 GMT
#53
On June 11 2013 23:40 willstertben wrote:
replays are pretty hard to get. also you don't see the mouse cursor (which is something blizzard should change. Dota does it so it's definitely possible).

That’d be quite cool.
Partha
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand163 Posts
June 12 2013 10:20 GMT
#54
I would literally pay money to see Flash' FPVOD. I know there was one that was leaked when the KesPA pros were switching but it's been a while and I want to see how he goes down.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 12 2013 10:26 GMT
#55
Replays with cursors would be pretty amazing... I don't even think they would replace VODs.
maru lover forever
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
June 12 2013 10:29 GMT
#56
On June 12 2013 19:00 blueslobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 23:40 willstertben wrote:
replays are pretty hard to get. also you don't see the mouse cursor (which is something blizzard should change. Dota does it so it's definitely possible).

That’d be quite cool.


Seeing the mouse cursor in replays would be so awesome. Especially for uber splitting etc.
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
Hemling
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden93 Posts
June 12 2013 10:32 GMT
#57
On June 12 2013 00:52 Lazzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 00:42 Chrono000 wrote:
On June 11 2013 23:42 Lazzi wrote:
On June 11 2013 23:38 Chrono000 wrote:
this is interesting because you get to see how hellbat drops work.

comparing it to any other drop it looks a little lame. he is pretty much charging in with the medvac+bats with the intent to do damage regardless of the loss.

you hardly see that kind of dropping intent with other units because it costs wayy fucking more to do it.

to me it seems clear not just from this video but from playing many games that terrans know or least subconsciously know its not a large cost to sacrifice the vac and the bat because the rewards is just so much higher than any other drop harass. (also easier)

ive read both current hellbat threads recently and was very happy to hear a possible change coming.

You managed to do a hellbat whine in a thread which has no link with them. Furthermore, you managed to do a very intelligent one! Congratz!
I actually real think your comment is clever and I'm not bashing you


impossible to tell if its a true troll or a double troll.

What i do know is this; no matter what i read, hear and see, all i think about is the hellbat and how much of a problem is it in the sc2 world. its a little like poverty in the real world is such an obvious problem but its still unfixed and it sadness me to no end.

It isn't a troll, but I found it quite funny . I do really think too that Hellbat is a problem and rather an huge one but it just wasn't the topic here.


if anything it shows how to shut down hb drop
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/246845/1/Hemligt/
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
June 12 2013 12:11 GMT
#58
On June 12 2013 00:52 Lazzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 00:42 Chrono000 wrote:
On June 11 2013 23:42 Lazzi wrote:
On June 11 2013 23:38 Chrono000 wrote:
this is interesting because you get to see how hellbat drops work.

comparing it to any other drop it looks a little lame. he is pretty much charging in with the medvac+bats with the intent to do damage regardless of the loss.

you hardly see that kind of dropping intent with other units because it costs wayy fucking more to do it.

to me it seems clear not just from this video but from playing many games that terrans know or least subconsciously know its not a large cost to sacrifice the vac and the bat because the rewards is just so much higher than any other drop harass. (also easier)

ive read both current hellbat threads recently and was very happy to hear a possible change coming.

You managed to do a hellbat whine in a thread which has no link with them. Furthermore, you managed to do a very intelligent one! Congratz!
I actually real think your comment is clever and I'm not bashing you


impossible to tell if its a true troll or a double troll.

What i do know is this; no matter what i read, hear and see, all i think about is the hellbat and how much of a problem is it in the sc2 world. its a little like poverty in the real world is such an obvious problem but its still unfixed and it sadness me to no end.

It isn't a troll, but I found it quite funny . I do really think too that Hellbat is a problem and rather an huge one but it just wasn't the topic here.


Yes, the "huge" problem in this game is you can't just leave your mineral lines 100% undefended and ignore them when they're being attacked. I would say that it is kinda shitty that the other races can't do this type of maneuver as quick as T, but zerg can arguably do it better later, but protoss must sit on their asses.

As for the OP not taking away from Innovation, but every BW FPVOD was at the very least this good. His mechanical skill isn't in my opinion what separates him from the pack in this game, and his actual skill in decision making isn't displayed at his best in this VOD.
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
June 12 2013 12:14 GMT
#59
This VODs show the concept of screen APM pretty well (lastshadow was talking about this on his stream the other day and how it is the criteria korean teamhouses use rather than APM or EAPM to determine how fast a player is). He doesn't scroll or very little, he does a perfect cycle between his bases, production, depots and army + drops and takes his actions very fast when needed. Thats really impressive and inspiring, that's a good VoD to show to beginners to explain them what the macro cycle is (which is actually really hard to understand at first I think).
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
June 12 2013 12:19 GMT
#60
On June 12 2013 21:14 Nimix wrote:
This VODs show the concept of screen APM pretty well (lastshadow was talking about this on his stream the other day and how it is the criteria korean teamhouses use rather than APM or EAPM to determine how fast a player is). He doesn't scroll or very little, he does a perfect cycle between his bases, production, depots and army + drops and takes his actions very fast when needed. Thats really impressive and inspiring, that's a good VoD to show to beginners to explain them what the macro cycle is (which is actually really hard to understand at first I think).

What is exactly screen APM?
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