EPTThis is probably my favorite FPVOD in SC2 (despite it being only 3mins) because of just how damm efficient he is. No bullshit camera hot key spams for this cowboy.
EDIT: It switches to Bogus's FP from 0:10 onwards
INnoVation FPVOD from WCS
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Partha
New Zealand163 Posts
This is probably my favorite FPVOD in SC2 (despite it being only 3mins) because of just how damm efficient he is. No bullshit camera hot key spams for this cowboy. EDIT: It switches to Bogus's FP from 0:10 onwards | ||
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effecto
France142 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
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Partha
New Zealand163 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:07 mechengineer123 wrote: Wish every tournament would show fp. So impressive and much more interesting to watch than some semi-afk observer chilling on the army. This is impossible (?) due to the current environment of tournaments: As far as I know many many pros use custom graphic settings and for a broadcaster to switch between FPs that have graphic inconsistencies is not a wise move. If they enforced a rule where everyone has to play on one setting then this would be resolved but players would complain. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:08 Partha wrote: This is impossible (?) due to the current environment of tournaments: As far as I know many many pros use custom graphic settings and for a broadcaster to switch between FPs that have graphic inconsistencies is not a wise move. If they enforced a rule where everyone has to play on one setting then this would be resolved but players would complain. What's the big deal of switching to a diff shot? (FPView of their comp screen). It's just like splicing in another camera angle but from their computer no? | ||
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:08 Partha wrote: This is impossible (?) due to the current environment of tournaments: As far as I know many many pros use custom graphic settings and for a broadcaster to switch between FPs that have graphic inconsistencies is not a wise move. If they enforced a rule where everyone has to play on one setting then this would be resolved but players would complain. Well you could see it in this tournament, too. They switched between obs and players multiple times and they had very different graphics, but I personally don't mind that. In any case they could just put FPs on seperate streams (I think Iron Squid did this actually!) and then make those "premium" streams or whatever. I'd definitely pay for their pov. | ||
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Partha
New Zealand163 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:11 ROOTheognis wrote: What's the big deal of switching to a diff shot? (FPView of their comp screen). It's just like splicing in another camera angle but from their computer no? Imagine going from Bogus's pov (high settings?) to his opponent who plays on the lowest setting. That would be really jarring and look bad on a broadcaster's perspective. Not to mention that a lot of pros actually play on low settings (Zerg players) and it looks TERRIBAD. | ||
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Tamagoyaki
United States7 Posts
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
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Partha
New Zealand163 Posts
I would prefer the old OSL way where the commentators tell you "We are about to go into Flash's FPVOD" and they transition smoothly from Observer--> 20-30 seconds of Flash punishing decadents---> Observer | ||
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Jagriff
United States23 Posts
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Deleted User 245622
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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thanhbao86
Canada199 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:08 Partha wrote: This is impossible (?) due to the current environment of tournaments: As far as I know many many pros use custom graphic settings and for a broadcaster to switch between FPs that have graphic inconsistencies is not a wise move. If they enforced a rule where everyone has to play on one setting then this would be resolved but players would complain. What ? I am pretty sure as an observer you can switch from observing to FPV of a player while keeping your graphic setting. You do not see the player screen, you see his moves on your screen. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
All I want in life. Please. | ||
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jyuj
Australia103 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
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Wojciech Zywny
Poland271 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:46 jyuj wrote: No prob kills, lost 2 med vacs and 4 bats, but went on to win the game. TERRAN SICK LIFE! User was warned for this post you're right most terrans don't waste a ton of resources on hellbat drops and come out of the early game at about even supply as protoss. innovation wasted a ton of resources on hellbat drops and comes out ahead. surely that's a point for innovation being insanely good rather than terran being op. | ||
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o29
United States220 Posts
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Jaded.
United States125 Posts
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kaleidoscope
Singapore2887 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:13 Partha wrote: Imagine going from Bogus's pov (high settings?) to his opponent who plays on the lowest setting. That would be really jarring and look bad on a broadcaster's perspective. Not to mention that a lot of pros actually play on low settings (Zerg players) and it looks TERRIBAD. well it is called a FIRST PERSON view for a reason.. at least we can know if he noticed the dts/obs if he's playing at low settings.. | ||
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jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
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m0nt
Australia80 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:40 o29 wrote: Anyone want to guess what his EAPM is in the video? Or on average? 80-100, lol. | ||
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On June 11 2013 03:03 Wojciech Zywny wrote: you're right most terrans don't waste a ton of resources on hellbat drops and come out of the early game at about even supply as protoss. innovation wasted a ton of resources on hellbat drops and comes out ahead. surely that's a point for innovation being insanely good rather than terran being op. sOs sacrificed his army size for tech and economy. sOswas ahead on upgrades, had both collosi and templar tech, and a third base. | ||
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Taefox
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Garnet
Vietnam9034 Posts
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A Wild Sosd
Australia421 Posts
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
I know that guys like Bisu are way faster than Moon, but I was 11 and it was the first time I saw someone going that fast with his keyboard and mouse. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
It's nice to see this, they should release some FPVODs, like in BW. | ||
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WeRRa
378 Posts
On June 11 2013 20:43 sluggaslamoo wrote: You should see Flash, he is much less spammy and smoother than this Actully not and he proves it everytime in lategame tvp where flash still fails horrible, that his mechanics are step above almost everyone. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
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Daumen
Germany1073 Posts
But now I want to see the pretty girl that blew the kiss ;x... Hope to see more FP segments from Innovation ;D | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
They should release more of these, GomTv, take notes! ^^ Pretty smooth APM from Innovation here, I think everyone should try to emulate this. He barely mouse scrolls, everything is done with hotkeys, so extremely efficient. | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On June 11 2013 21:01 fearus wrote: Still didn't give me the seizures that bisu's fpvods did.... but if they could do fpvod back in bw surely they can do it for sc2. no! the technology isn't there yet! I'm sad I missed the "lounge stream" but I wanted to see everything what's going on. Otherwise + Show Spoiler + I wouldn't know of the observer on the very left that spots bogus' drops. | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On June 11 2013 20:31 A Wild Sosd wrote: God he just doesnt scroll with his mouse ever. That looked so damn efficient, Now I'm gonna try and do that on ladder fail miserably and hate my life :'( Scrolling’s bad. I think he’d have scrolled in an army engangement, though. I wish this FPVOD would show the whole game, but thanks anyway.  | ||
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
Things i missed greatly in SC2. | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On June 11 2013 20:31 A Wild Sosd wrote: God he just doesnt scroll with his mouse ever. Oh and by the way: he does edge scroll when he drops. It just happens very fast. For example at 2:03. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
How do you guys set the control groups/camera hotkeys up in your base. [Terran] It's not enough (for me) to have a control group for main CC and one for the barracks. I will definetely edge scroll building ebay, more barracks, starport, factory.... | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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duckmaster
687 Posts
On June 11 2013 20:43 sluggaslamoo wrote: You should see Flash, he is much less spammy and smoother than this Oh my god, someone is getting praised, gotta make sure people don't think he's better than Flash! | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12025 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:08 Partha wrote: This is impossible (?) due to the current environment of tournaments: As far as I know many many pros use custom graphic settings and for a broadcaster to switch between FPs that have graphic inconsistencies is not a wise move. If they enforced a rule where everyone has to play on one setting then this would be resolved but players would complain. You can literally watch someones FPVOD through the game. | ||
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Chrono000
Korea (South)358 Posts
comparing it to any other drop it looks a little lame. he is pretty much charging in with the medvac+bats with the intent to do damage regardless of the loss. you hardly see that kind of dropping intent with other units because it costs wayy fucking more to do it. to me it seems clear not just from this video but from playing many games that terrans know or least subconsciously know its not a large cost to sacrifice the vac and the bat because the rewards is just so much higher than any other drop harass. (also easier) ive read both current hellbat threads recently and was very happy to hear a possible change coming. | ||
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willstertben
427 Posts
On June 11 2013 22:38 Qikz wrote: You can literally watch someones FPVOD through the game. replays are pretty hard to get. also you don't see the mouse cursor (which is something blizzard should change. Dota does it so it's definitely possible). | ||
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
On June 11 2013 23:38 Chrono000 wrote: this is interesting because you get to see how hellbat drops work. comparing it to any other drop it looks a little lame. he is pretty much charging in with the medvac+bats with the intent to do damage regardless of the loss. you hardly see that kind of dropping intent with other units because it costs wayy fucking more to do it. to me it seems clear not just from this video but from playing many games that terrans know or least subconsciously know its not a large cost to sacrifice the vac and the bat because the rewards is just so much higher than any other drop harass. (also easier) ive read both current hellbat threads recently and was very happy to hear a possible change coming. You managed to do a hellbat whine in a thread which has no link with them. Furthermore, you managed to do a very intelligent one! Congratz! I actually real think your comment is clever and I'm not bashing you | ||
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Chrono000
Korea (South)358 Posts
On June 11 2013 23:42 Lazzi wrote: You managed to do a hellbat whine in a thread which has no link with them. Furthermore, you managed to do a very intelligent one! Congratz! I actually real think your comment is clever and I'm not bashing you impossible to tell if its a true troll or a double troll. What i do know is this; no matter what i read, hear and see, all i think about is the hellbat and how much of a problem is it in the sc2 world. its a little like poverty in the real world is such an obvious problem but its still unfixed and it sadness me to no end. | ||
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
On June 12 2013 00:42 Chrono000 wrote: impossible to tell if its a true troll or a double troll. What i do know is this; no matter what i read, hear and see, all i think about is the hellbat and how much of a problem is it in the sc2 world. its a little like poverty in the real world is such an obvious problem but its still unfixed and it sadness me to no end. It isn't a troll, but I found it quite funny . I do really think too that Hellbat is a problem and rather an huge one but it just wasn't the topic here. | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On June 11 2013 23:40 willstertben wrote: replays are pretty hard to get. also you don't see the mouse cursor (which is something blizzard should change. Dota does it so it's definitely possible). That’d be quite cool. | ||
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Partha
New Zealand163 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Seeing the mouse cursor in replays would be so awesome. Especially for uber splitting etc. | ||
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Hemling
Sweden93 Posts
On June 12 2013 00:52 Lazzi wrote: It isn't a troll, but I found it quite funny . I do really think too that Hellbat is a problem and rather an huge one but it just wasn't the topic here.if anything it shows how to shut down hb drop | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On June 12 2013 00:52 Lazzi wrote: It isn't a troll, but I found it quite funny . I do really think too that Hellbat is a problem and rather an huge one but it just wasn't the topic here.Yes, the "huge" problem in this game is you can't just leave your mineral lines 100% undefended and ignore them when they're being attacked. I would say that it is kinda shitty that the other races can't do this type of maneuver as quick as T, but zerg can arguably do it better later, but protoss must sit on their asses. As for the OP not taking away from Innovation, but every BW FPVOD was at the very least this good. His mechanical skill isn't in my opinion what separates him from the pack in this game, and his actual skill in decision making isn't displayed at his best in this VOD. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
On June 12 2013 21:14 Nimix wrote: This VODs show the concept of screen APM pretty well (lastshadow was talking about this on his stream the other day and how it is the criteria korean teamhouses use rather than APM or EAPM to determine how fast a player is). He doesn't scroll or very little, he does a perfect cycle between his bases, production, depots and army + drops and takes his actions very fast when needed. Thats really impressive and inspiring, that's a good VoD to show to beginners to explain them what the macro cycle is (which is actually really hard to understand at first I think). What is exactly screen APM? | ||
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Bunn
Estonia934 Posts
Sick shit | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
the number of screens you're able to check in 1minute. since you shouldn't scroll except in engagements it's a good variable. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
What is exactly screen APM? He said that's the capacity of a player to constantly switch screens and to see very quickly what happens on each and decide if an action is needed or not, then take the action. He linked a FPVOD from Best from Broodwar to explain; the guy basically spams camera hotkeys while doing things like rallying probes etc, and all of a suddens you see a glimpse of a shuttle on one of his bases, he instantly splits probes and dodges the storm while a moving units towards it. this one : | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
It's so fricking hard to do. | ||
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
On June 12 2013 21:39 Nimix wrote: He said that's the capacity of a player to constantly switch screens and to see very quickly what happens on each and decide if an action is needed or not, then take the action. He linked a FPVOD from Best from Broodwar to explain; the guy basically spams camera hotkeys while doing things like rallying probes etc, and all of a suddens you see a glimpse of a shuttle on one of his bases, he instantly splits probes and dodges the storm while a moving units towards it. this one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OqsLsm1oQY except this is probably way more difficult to do in sc2 due more pixels and higher pixel density. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On June 12 2013 22:35 Rescawen wrote: except this is probably way more difficult to do in sc2 due more pixels and higher pixel density. And due to speedvacs  | ||
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THM
Bulgaria1131 Posts
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Prugelhugel
Austria637 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:11 ROOTheognis wrote: What's the big deal of switching to a diff shot? (FPView of their comp screen). It's just like splicing in another camera angle but from their computer no? Would be even cooler imo because then you'd faster recognize it's the player which you are watching. | ||
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FakePseudo
Belgium716 Posts
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WikidSik
Canada382 Posts
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crbox
Canada1180 Posts
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tenklavir
Slovakia116 Posts
Had to get that whine in there, didn't you | ||
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DenTenker
United States606 Posts
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rave[wcr]
United States1166 Posts
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Chrono000
Korea (South)358 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:08 Partha wrote: This is impossible (?) due to the current environment of tournaments: As far as I know many many pros use custom graphic settings and for a broadcaster to switch between FPs that have graphic inconsistencies is not a wise move. If they enforced a rule where everyone has to play on one setting then this would be resolved but players would complain. id be interested in watching everyones settings. it shows more of the players style in a way. | ||
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vhapter
Brazil677 Posts
EDIT: This is weird. He actually doesn't shift rally them back or anything. He goes back to his main everything a new build is finished and either builds more stuff with said worker, or sends it back to mining. But sometimes, he leaves them idle too for a while. | ||
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r1flEx
Belgium256 Posts
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FluffyBinLaden
United States527 Posts
On June 18 2013 01:13 r1flEx wrote: what is edge scroll? or whatever the guys in this topic were talking about scrolling in battles or when need to build ebays/barracks/... Moving your mouse to the edge of the screen and making the screen move like that. You can also use the arrow keys and middle mouse button, but you will never do that while playing unless you want to look like a newbie.  Edge scrolling is inefficient, which is why it's good to use it as little as possible. | ||
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r1flEx
Belgium256 Posts
On June 18 2013 01:31 FluffyBinLaden wrote: Moving your mouse to the edge of the screen and making the screen move like that. You can also use the arrow keys and middle mouse button, but you will never do that while playing unless you want to look like a newbie. Edge scrolling is inefficient, which is why it's good to use it as little as possible. so everyone in here asking why he isn't scrolling is a newbie? i've never heard of it but they make it sound useful for some reason | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
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WeRRa
378 Posts
On June 18 2013 03:09 ppshchik wrote: How come his hotkeys aren't shown? Cause he hides them? | ||
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FluffyBinLaden
United States527 Posts
On June 18 2013 01:50 r1flEx wrote: so everyone in here asking why he isn't scrolling is a newbie? i've never heard of it but they make it sound useful for some reason Only if they're scrolling with the arrow keys. Scrolling with the edge of the screen IS useful, but it takes time to position the mouse, and it's slower than using a screen hotkey. | ||
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misspoo
France63 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2550 Posts
People really need to understand that players don't spam to raise their apm... theres reasons for it. Nice video tho | ||
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