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On June 05 2013 10:07 Cele wrote:
finally. the power rank has returneth! top 4 are kespa players? Lets talk about the elephant in da room again pls.
Sure. It was bullshit.
+ Show Spoiler +I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
"But intrigue, BW stats are not everything! This information is all irrelevant!"
+ Show Spoiler +Hot_Bid writes:
I know what you're going to say. "It's a different game." I agree with you, somewhat. Look at the WarCraft 3 guys that are doing so well in the international scene, or at the Brood War careers of the guys winning the GSLs. There hasn't been a huge correlation between Brood War ability and SC2 ability among top tier SC2 pros right now.
You see IM.Mvp and think he's the best Terran. But he's the only legitimate A-team pro (and a mediocre one at that) to transfer over. Nobody else has. Imagine there are hundreds of guys like him, with the same raw ability and mindset. They could be worse, or better, or exactly the same. Now imagine there are two, maybe three, that are just flat out better than Mvp at speed, precision, multitasking, and raw ability. Not just "a little better" but way better. But that's not what separates them from him. Flash and Jaedong, when motivated, have a mindset and work ethic that is unmatched by any other RTS professional. Their ability to focus and practice is not just "way better" than what Mvp is capable of, but orders of magnitudes better. Think the difference between Kobe and "average starter" on an NBA team.
Maybe Leta or Sea or Best or Zero won't come into SC2 and be ultra-successful if they switch. But Jaedong and Flash? They are outliers. They do not conform to the normal rules, and everyone who has followed Brood War knows that if they switch, it's not a question of if they will dominate and win, but when.
The "different game" argument applies to 99.9% of progamers, but not for special players like Jaedong and Flash. The game doesn't matter. Whether it's BW or SC2 or checkers or minesweeper, certain players are so good they will always be at the top.
You tell me if those sound like the reality we're currently in.
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On June 05 2013 10:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 10:07 Cele wrote:
finally. the power rank has returneth! top 4 are kespa players? Lets talk about the elephant in da room again pls. Sure. It was bullshit. + Show Spoiler +I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
"But intrigue, BW stats are not everything! This information is all irrelevant!"
Hot_Bid writes:
I know what you're going to say. "It's a different game." I agree with you, somewhat. Look at the WarCraft 3 guys that are doing so well in the international scene, or at the Brood War careers of the guys winning the GSLs. There hasn't been a huge correlation between Brood War ability and SC2 ability among top tier SC2 pros right now.
You see IM.Mvp and think he's the best Terran. But he's the only legitimate A-team pro (and a mediocre one at that) to transfer over. Nobody else has. Imagine there are hundreds of guys like him, with the same raw ability and mindset. They could be worse, or better, or exactly the same. Now imagine there are two, maybe three, that are just flat out better than Mvp at speed, precision, multitasking, and raw ability. Not just "a little better" but way better. But that's not what separates them from him. Flash and Jaedong, when motivated, have a mindset and work ethic that is unmatched by any other RTS professional. Their ability to focus and practice is not just "way better" than what Mvp is capable of, but orders of magnitudes better. Think the difference between Kobe and "average starter" on an NBA team.
Maybe Leta or Sea or Best or Zero won't come into SC2 and be ultra-successful if they switch. But Jaedong and Flash? They are outliers. They do not conform to the normal rules, and everyone who has followed Brood War knows that if they switch, it's not a question of if they will dominate and win, but when.
The "different game" argument applies to 99.9% of progamers, but not for special players like Jaedong and Flash. The game doesn't matter. Whether it's BW or SC2 or checkers or minesweeper, certain players are so good they will always be at the top. You tell me if those sound like the reality we're currently in.
im saying those comments are overdosed and hyperbole. But im further saying, the core argument was kespa players should be better in this game, since the skills do cary over. And it would be foolish to doubt that today. Sc2 is beeing dominated by Kespa talents.
By the way? Hot_bid had in down to 50% in his prediction: Jaedong? didnt do it. Flash? Yep.
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On June 05 2013 10:11 The_Darkness wrote:
Pretty good list. Flash should at least be second on the strength of his Proleague performance, which perhaps should count more than WCS Korea IMO. Symbol is the first to fall off that list. He's good but doesn't have the mechanics to hang in the long run, although he's incredibly smart.
I disagree with the claim that Flash should be second, but I do think his great proleague record should be taken into account.
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Yay HerO!!! Tottaly deserves it come on guys, mvp only beat a couple of europeans and even dropped two sets. HerO dominated his groups and didnt drop a single map all the way to the quarter finals. Not to mention his performance in SPL (3 Killing Samsung) and his play in ATC (all kill mouse esports). hes even #1 in WCS points right now  his play always has me on my toes~
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Fuck yes, I love Power Rankings. How I've missed thee. Can we also fix the rankings on the right bar of the webpage?
On June 05 2013 10:11 negativedge wrote:
Life at 7 seems too low to me. how is he behind flash? I know that Flash dominated SPL round 5, but no one in the world wants to play Life in a best of X series (except maybe Innovation)...
Flash probably does because he's got the mindset of a champion. 
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Soulkey will win the Season 1 Finals and he'll get that #1 spot next month.
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On June 05 2013 10:20 Vanadium wrote:
Fuck yes, I love Power Rankings. How I've missed thee. Can we also fix the rankings on the right bar of the webpage?
Those are just the TLPD ELO rankings. They haven't had PowerRank listing for a while 
It would be nice to see its return to the sidebar though.
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On June 05 2013 10:17 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 10:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On June 05 2013 10:07 Cele wrote:
finally. the power rank has returneth! top 4 are kespa players? Lets talk about the elephant in da room again pls. Sure. It was bullshit. + Show Spoiler +I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
"But intrigue, BW stats are not everything! This information is all irrelevant!"
Hot_Bid writes:
I know what you're going to say. "It's a different game." I agree with you, somewhat. Look at the WarCraft 3 guys that are doing so well in the international scene, or at the Brood War careers of the guys winning the GSLs. There hasn't been a huge correlation between Brood War ability and SC2 ability among top tier SC2 pros right now.
You see IM.Mvp and think he's the best Terran. But he's the only legitimate A-team pro (and a mediocre one at that) to transfer over. Nobody else has. Imagine there are hundreds of guys like him, with the same raw ability and mindset. They could be worse, or better, or exactly the same. Now imagine there are two, maybe three, that are just flat out better than Mvp at speed, precision, multitasking, and raw ability. Not just "a little better" but way better. But that's not what separates them from him. Flash and Jaedong, when motivated, have a mindset and work ethic that is unmatched by any other RTS professional. Their ability to focus and practice is not just "way better" than what Mvp is capable of, but orders of magnitudes better. Think the difference between Kobe and "average starter" on an NBA team.
Maybe Leta or Sea or Best or Zero won't come into SC2 and be ultra-successful if they switch. But Jaedong and Flash? They are outliers. They do not conform to the normal rules, and everyone who has followed Brood War knows that if they switch, it's not a question of if they will dominate and win, but when.
The "different game" argument applies to 99.9% of progamers, but not for special players like Jaedong and Flash. The game doesn't matter. Whether it's BW or SC2 or checkers or minesweeper, certain players are so good they will always be at the top. You tell me if those sound like the reality we're currently in. im saying those comments are overdosed and hyperbole. But im further saying, the core argument was kespa players should be better in this game, since the skills do cary over. And it would be foolish to doubt that today. Sc2 is beeing dominated by Kespa talents. By the way? Hot_bid had in down to 50% in his prediction: Jaedong? didnt do it. Flash? Yep.
Jaedong could have, but he went to E.G with no Team 8 to practice with he has gotten very bad.
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I hope by putting Soulkey in the same place as Jjakji that Innovation ends up like Leenock. Another player who got hot at the right time, was over-hyped and then slowly drifted off.
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hero at 10 but putting the power rank in reverse order... clear liquid bias D:
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On June 05 2013 09:11 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
In the end, it all came down to HerO versus Mvp, the winners of their respective WCS regions. HerO's path to becoming the king of America included going through aLive, Killer, Scarlett, Supply, Alicia, Ryung, and Revival.
lololololol eg.supplyrc
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Objectively, Hero and Mvp both don't deserve to be on the list, Losira deserves to be on the list.
I really don't understand how he was overlooked so easily, and there's not even an explanation for his absence, just " the only player to qualify from WCS KR not on the list ". Why isn't he on the list? It deserves an explanation. edit: it seems the OP was edited
Hero has been doing well in Proleague but his WCS AM championship was rather unimpressive, he lost 2 maps to Revival who was on a 10 game losing streak in Proleague until very recently. I mean, if someone like Revival can make the finals in WCS AM It's not a tournament worth talking about when we figure out who the 10 best players in the world are.
Mvp has played in basically nothing other than WCS EU where he did win in dominating fashion(other than losing to Lucifron) after the offline phase started, but It's still WCS EU, It's not comparable to WCS KR. He played a grand total of 0 Koreans, although the non Koreans were good players they're still non Koreans.
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Soulkey beat Innovation heads up. Facts say Soulkey is better.
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On June 05 2013 10:20 Vanadium wrote:Fuck yes, I love Power Rankings. How I've missed thee. Can we also fix the rankings on the right bar of the webpage? Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 10:11 negativedge wrote:
Life at 7 seems too low to me. how is he behind flash? I know that Flash dominated SPL round 5, but no one in the world wants to play Life in a best of X series (except maybe Innovation)... Flash probably does because he's got the mindset of a champion.
well, I suppose he can want to if that floats his boat, but thus far Life has outclassed him in all of those series.
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Life is on the list and MVP is not?
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Oh boy, a power rank!
Oh no, a power rank!
That said, not too bad at all. Thought PartinG would be below HerO and/or Mvp though.
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I'd say symbol is above Rain and Flash at the moment....GSL sucess is what is most important.
Losira also deserves to be in that top 10 list somewhere
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