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On June 11 2013 03:31 slowbacontron wrote:
Hmm, I always hear that in BW games (or at least tournaments) were much less frequent than in SC2, wouldn't this problem have been even worse for y'all back then? Did the nearly constant Proleague games help with that?
Or maybe Power Ranks themselves were less frequent, or maybe BW was less volatile (which I wouldn't know if that's true personally).
It was only really an issue during the brief time in September when there were very few games and late in Brood War when there was one OSL a year and no more MSL. Otherwise, there was always plenty of Proleague, as well as OSL and MSL three times a year each, plus the Gom Classic when it was still running and WCG once a year.
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Yeh BW power rank was a bit more subjective and "well I extrapolate such and such" from the content of the games and not just the results, due to the lesser amount of games in general.
Not that content of games doesn't factor in here - for instance the sheer weirdness of sOs' play in his GSL series prevented him from achieving a higher rank.
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On June 11 2013 16:23 Waxangel wrote:
Yeh BW power rank was a bit more subjective and "well I extrapolate such and such" from the content of the games and not just the results, due to the lesser amount of games in general.
Not that content of games doesn't factor in here - for instance the sheer weirdness of sOs' play in his GSL series prevented him from achieving a higher rank.
I would argue otherwise. The BW scene (at least before its switch) was cemented and all top players were clearly identified (last 2 OSL finals were identical) and there was little opportunities for lesser known players to burst into the top. Thus the rankings were less subjective because they involved ranking the player in between themselves.
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On June 11 2013 02:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 23:56 sc2superfan101 wrote:On June 10 2013 05:24 MountainGoat wrote:
Picking Innovation first looks pretty good after WCS is over now. Until I see a rematch between him and Soulkey, I will still disagree with it. Would you say that Jjakji was a better player than Leenock at the very end of 2011?
Completely different players and completely different situation.
Both Innovation and Soulkey have been doing well, with Soulkey posting similar results. Also, Soulkey has shown more mental toughness than Innovation. Besides, the fact that Innovation has such a disastrous GSL finals and was two heartbeats from losing to Mvp means he's got some definite weaknesses and thus the top spot could really go anywhere. Life still has a strong claim to it, Flash has a claim to it, Soulkey has a strong claim to it, Innovation has a strong claim to it. We'll have to wait and see.
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On June 10 2013 09:56 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 08:23 Thrillz wrote:On June 10 2013 08:07 GolemMadness wrote:On June 09 2013 22:36 Zaphid wrote:On June 09 2013 22:13 dirtydurb82 wrote:
Innovation pulled off quite the massive choke... hard to leave him at one. Only to win a more prestigious title a week later... I doubt that many people consider a tournament with weaker players, less games and less time to prepare to be more prestigious. The funny thing is, even if it's supposedly less difficult, it will end up being like wcg kr and wcg champ. Even though WCG KR was considered harder, most people remember WCG champs. WCS KR will be harder, but WCS Champ might be remembered more. Can't agree more. Compare Creator's WCS win to Parting's WCS win last year. They are world's apart in recognition, fame, and earnings even though the WCS Korea was far more difficult. Some fans will give Creator more credit. Other fans will give Rain more credit. Parting gets all the glory though.
GSL/OSL will always have the most prestige, and WCS KR = GSL/OSL.
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On June 11 2013 20:00 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 16:23 Waxangel wrote:
Yeh BW power rank was a bit more subjective and "well I extrapolate such and such" from the content of the games and not just the results, due to the lesser amount of games in general.
Not that content of games doesn't factor in here - for instance the sheer weirdness of sOs' play in his GSL series prevented him from achieving a higher rank. I would argue otherwise. The BW scene (at least before its switch) was cemented and all top players were clearly identified (last 2 OSL finals were identical) and there was little opportunities for lesser known players to burst into the top. Thus the rankings were less subjective because they involved ranking the player in between themselves.
Not really true at all. On the penultimate power rank we had Turn, a rookie, in 7th place. Of course by the end of Brood War there were far less new players so this was less frequent, but lesser known players had every opportunity to break in if they were good enough.
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Based only on quality of play :
1. Soulkey
2. Flash
3. Innovation
4. Rain
5. MVP
6. Life
7. Roro
8. Parting
9. SoS
10. Kangho
I think Innovation is overrated - he is a top player, but not godlike. Top6 is really really close in terms of skills, it's really hard to tell who is the best. For me there is a big diffrence in skill between top6 & the rest of players.
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On June 12 2013 19:11 imprecis wrote:
Based only on quality of play :
1. Soulkey
2. Flash
3. Innovation
4. Rain
5. MVP
6. Life
7. Roro
8. Parting
9. SoS
10. Kangho
I think Innovation is overrated - he is a top player, but not godlike. Top6 is really really close in terms of skills, it's really hard to tell who is the best. For me there is a big diffrence in skill between top6 & the rest of players.
To me Soulkey is a tad bit overrated. His mechanics don't seem to be any better than say a Leenock. I think timing has been good to him, we have to remember MVPSniper is a GSL Champ too, and he got a bit lucky. I would definitely say Bogus is number 1 in terms of sheer consistency. I think the only other Terran that I felt was this consistent was Taeja (that 3-4months period where he was buttseckings the SC2 scene). I think Life is REALLY overrated considering the number of games he drops to people he should not. Kangho would probably fall off soon, MVP will always be "that guy who we count out and we collectively facepalm/cheer when he wins", Rain I think will rise to a solid 2-3 after the conclusion of WCS OSL (Rain gonna win this shit or come 2nd). Roro will probably fade away from the top 10 (not looking really solid). PartinG will maintain his 8-9 spot for a while. The two enigmas in the power ranking is sOs and Flash. I am really torn on sOs, he's either the next brain toss or he's incredibly lucky and Flash seems solid and mechanical but he seems really vulnerable to cheese and TvP.
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On June 05 2013 09:16 Scville wrote:
Why Hero > Kangho and MVP?
Kangho almost won vs SoS and he 3-0'ed Bomber
I know, Hero is from teamliquid but come on lol, no way he is the 10th best player in the world.
''Life's only results this month were losing to NAKSEO in the GSTL and 2 - 0ing MarineKing in GSL. (But at this point, is 2 - 0ing MarineKing in ZvT really an accomplishment?)''
Of course, Life didn't play anything else.
Yeah, no doubt. I wonder how "LIQUID"hero got top 10 over better players?? LOL
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Just felt I had to mention this: and I don't know if someone's mentioned it before: I agree with the standings here, but next time you write up the #2 player, don't dedicate the whole thing to a protracted excuse for why you didn't rank him in first place. Soulkey's write-up sounds like an honourable mention. Just tell us why he got all the way up to the 2nd spot and why he's awesome, not why he didn't make #1.
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People are overrating Mvp for basically beating Losira, a guy who beat no one of note to get into the top 8. gumiho soo true bomber? Meh. Mvp literally did nothing before WCS EU except losing to Scarlett in GSTL. He had a good run, but come on, to put him into top 6 already? At least he plays in EU so I guess he'll be a monthly top 10 player.
On June 11 2013 07:36 ATiBright wrote:
Flash being rank 3 just seems completely out of place. He has less results then basically everyone else on the list. Including losses to Parting in both the GSL and proleague. I feel like parting should be a little higher as well.
Okay? Flash just went 15-2 in rd 5 of proleague. That's better results than basically everyone barring Innovation SK who won tournaments. His only bad result was losing in the group of death.
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Well it's not looking good for Life, he'll have to destroy his OSL group and MLG to get a better PR rank.
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On June 18 2013 08:54 Thrillz wrote:
Well it's not looking good for Life, he'll have to destroy his OSL group and MLG to get a better PR rank.
PR isn't that important. It's all subjective anyways.
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On June 14 2013 20:48 Kyaaaaa wrote:People are overrating Mvp for basically beating Losira, a guy who beat no one of note to get into the top 8. gumiho soo true bomber? Meh. Mvp literally did nothing before WCS EU except losing to Scarlett in GSTL. He had a good run, but come on, to put him into top 6 already? At least he plays in EU so I guess he'll be a monthly top 10 player. Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 07:36 ATiBright wrote:
Flash being rank 3 just seems completely out of place. He has less results then basically everyone else on the list. Including losses to Parting in both the GSL and proleague. I feel like parting should be a little higher as well. Okay? Flash just went 15-2 in rd 5 of proleague. That's better results than basically everyone barring Innovation SK who won tournaments. His only bad result was losing in the group of death.
You somehow forgot the insanely close match Mvp played against Innovation. Selective memory much? Also, ,literally did nothing. You know who Mvp is right?
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On June 18 2013 08:57 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 08:54 Thrillz wrote:
Well it's not looking good for Life, he'll have to destroy his OSL group and MLG to get a better PR rank. PR isn't that important. It's all subjective anyways.
Well obviously. But this is a PR discussion about the PR. So it's relevant here.
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Time for a new Power Rank:
#1: Stardust
#2-#10: who cares?
#1000: Life
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On June 18 2013 09:00 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 20:48 Kyaaaaa wrote:People are overrating Mvp for basically beating Losira, a guy who beat no one of note to get into the top 8. gumiho soo true bomber? Meh. Mvp literally did nothing before WCS EU except losing to Scarlett in GSTL. He had a good run, but come on, to put him into top 6 already? At least he plays in EU so I guess he'll be a monthly top 10 player. On June 11 2013 07:36 ATiBright wrote:
Flash being rank 3 just seems completely out of place. He has less results then basically everyone else on the list. Including losses to Parting in both the GSL and proleague. I feel like parting should be a little higher as well. Okay? Flash just went 15-2 in rd 5 of proleague. That's better results than basically everyone barring Innovation SK who won tournaments. His only bad result was losing in the group of death. You somehow forgot the insanely close match Mvp played against Innovation. Selective memory much? Also, ,literally did nothing. You know who Mvp is right?
Yeah, I agree Mvp needs to be higher, and Losira lower. Losira's WCS run seems more and more like a fluke to me. His play was really flat at the season finals, and he lost to NSH.
NSH
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On June 18 2013 09:58 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 09:00 Assirra wrote:On June 14 2013 20:48 Kyaaaaa wrote:People are overrating Mvp for basically beating Losira, a guy who beat no one of note to get into the top 8. gumiho soo true bomber? Meh. Mvp literally did nothing before WCS EU except losing to Scarlett in GSTL. He had a good run, but come on, to put him into top 6 already? At least he plays in EU so I guess he'll be a monthly top 10 player. On June 11 2013 07:36 ATiBright wrote:
Flash being rank 3 just seems completely out of place. He has less results then basically everyone else on the list. Including losses to Parting in both the GSL and proleague. I feel like parting should be a little higher as well. Okay? Flash just went 15-2 in rd 5 of proleague. That's better results than basically everyone barring Innovation SK who won tournaments. His only bad result was losing in the group of death. You somehow forgot the insanely close match Mvp played against Innovation. Selective memory much? Also, ,literally did nothing. You know who Mvp is right? Yeah, I agree Mvp needs to be higher, and Losira lower. Losira's WCS run seems more and more like a fluke to me. His play was really flat at the season finals, and he lost to NSH. NSH
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