EPTSC2 Power Rank - June 2013 - Page 41
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Waxangel
United States33505 Posts
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On June 10 2013 05:24 MountainGoat wrote: Picking Innovation first looks pretty good after WCS is over now. Until I see a rematch between him and Soulkey, I will still disagree with it. | ||
nimdil
Poland3751 Posts
On June 10 2013 23:56 sc2superfan101 wrote: Until I see a rematch between him and Soulkey, I will still disagree with it. Soulkey had his peak. INnoVation on normal day is untouchable by lesser beings. | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
On June 10 2013 23:12 Zealously wrote: Actually, Starcraft II pros occupy 10 out of the top 10 Actually, people who are playing BW professionally right now in a secret cave in Tibet are 7 of the 10 best SCII players in the world. The method by which they communicated their top-class skills to TL writers (except Zealously) is classified. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On June 10 2013 23:56 sc2superfan101 wrote: Until I see a rematch between him and Soulkey, I will still disagree with it. Would you say that Jjakji was a better player than Leenock at the very end of 2011? Leenock played one of the best TvZ series of all time against Mvp in the semis, or should I say against an in-form, top-shape Mvp, and then another against Jjakji. He lost, but then again he obliterated MLG Providence, beating a lot of good players including MMA, Mvp and DongRaeGu (who were basically the Top 3 of XvZ at the time). Sure, Jjakji won that GSL, but would you really say he was better than Leenock? Sometimes it's a good idea to look at the bigger picture. ^^ This case is somewhat applicable, Yeah, Soulkey might have won (hopefully he won't become a fluke) but I wouldn't even consider rating him above Bogus right now. Hell, I don't know that I'd rate anyone over Bogus right now. | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
And there were some people who considered jjakji to be one of the best Terrans after that finals, having pretty solid TvP and having just revealed his explosive TvZ. Maybe not better than Leenock, though, and at the end of 2011 all eyes were definitely on Mvp and MMA. Welp, that edit makes half my post useless  | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:26 slowbacontron wrote: Mmm, MLG Providence was before the GSL Final. It's part of why Leenock was so hugely favored to beat jjakji. Welp, that edit makes half my post useless Yeah my bad, I didn't remember exactly so I went to Liquipedia. Needless to say, this + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/3cFkt.png) | ||
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nimdil
Poland3751 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Yeah my bad, I didn't remember exactly so I went to Liquipedia. Needless to say, this + Show Spoiler + I think these rectangles are sorted by starting date more than by ending date and their length is no indicative of anything in particular. | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
Oh, nimdil saves the day. Not sure how great that system is, though. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
Anyway, the point remains. Even though Soulkey won GSL and even though he might be the best Zerg player in the world right now, I still wouldn't rate him over Bogus simply because Bogus has been performing at this level for a longer period of time and he's also displayed more prowess in his games (imo). | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
If there's anyone that could win vs Innovation would be him. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 11 2013 01:11 slowbacontron wrote: Actually, people who are playing BW professionally right now in a secret cave in Tibet are 7 of the 10 best SCII players in the world. The method by which they communicated their top-class skills to TL writers (except Zealously) is classified. I wonder if we should write another article about the elephant in the room with regards to the SSL not having the rest of KeSPA players playing anymore and thus being a farce! Sea/HiyA winning a SSL? NO WAI! lol On June 11 2013 03:08 Apolo wrote: Everyone seems to have forgotten about Life just because he dropped out of the group of death. The guy has better vT than Innovation vZ according to Ailigulac, and he still holds spot no.2 with basically no games played after he dropped of that group - one month ago. He was winning everything he stepped his foot on, he loses one day, then suddenly, doesn't even make it to the Power Rank. It seems like people just go with the player of the moment. If there's anyone that could win vs Innovation would be him. How about Leenock? Durrrrr. This is what makes PL so great. You get to see these guys constantly fight one another and the GSTL only started round robin play, but it's like only one round of PL in a way. Besides that Life did lose to the guy you called out. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On June 11 2013 03:08 Apolo wrote: Everyone seems to have forgotten about Life just because he dropped out of the group of death. The guy has better vT than Innovation vZ according to Ailigulac, and he still holds spot no.2 with basically no games played after he dropped of that group - one month ago. He was winning everything he stepped his foot on, he loses one day, then suddenly, doesn't even make it to the Power Rank. It seems like people just go with the player of the moment. If there's anyone that could win vs Innovation would be him. Nobody has forgotten about Life. The answer is something you outlined yourself, Life has only played two series since, in GSTL and Code A respectively. I'm sure there will be much more discussion about him once he actually plays more high profile matches. ^^ | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
So you have more talent in the Europeans, but didn't WCS AM have more Koreans than Europe? Probably because the Koreans thought the US would be easier, better ping, closer flight, etc. I don't know man. Apples to oranges in a way. On June 11 2013 03:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Nobody has forgotten about Life. The answer is something you outlined yourself, Life has only played two series since, in GSTL and Code A respectively. I'm sure there will be much more discussion about him once he actually plays more high profile matches. ^^ That's always been problematic. They need more games! | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
Or maybe Power Ranks themselves were less frequent, or maybe BW was less volatile (which I wouldn't know if that's true personally). | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 11 2013 03:31 slowbacontron wrote: Hmm, I always hear that in BW games (or at least tournaments) were much less frequent than in SC2, wouldn't this problem have been even worse for y'all back then? Did the nearly constant Proleague games help with that? Or maybe Power Ranks themselves were less frequent, or maybe BW was less volatile (which I wouldn't know if that's true personally). Well, it doesn't matter much if games are less frequent if it's the same for everyone. With SC2, it's not - half the good players play regularly in PL, half the good players don't; this creates a problem when it comes to assessing skill levels. | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
On June 11 2013 03:47 Zealously wrote: Well, it doesn't matter much if games are less frequent if it's the same for everyone. With SC2, it's not - half the good players play regularly in PL, half the good players don't; this creates a problem when it comes to assessing skill levels. PR's gonna be a bitch when Proleague is over. | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On June 11 2013 03:47 Zealously wrote: Well, it doesn't matter much if games are less frequent if it's the same for everyone. With SC2, it's not - half the good players play regularly in PL, half the good players don't; this creates a problem when it comes to assessing skill levels. Yeah, initially it looked like proleague players were kind of isolated with kespa restricting their travelling, but then the amount of tournaments crumbled and nobody can travel much, especially on a tight budget. | ||
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ATiBright
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