On June 08 2013 22:10 Magbane wrote: Interesting how (liquid member) hero got to the list while mvp got left out because Hero beat two more higher caliber players than mvp in tournament, while soulkey's GSL victory over innovation in Bo7 was widely ignored.
Also Flash is highly overrated in that power rank, he is not even close to being third best player in the starcraft 2 right now. The flash bias is so ridicilous.
What is the point of this "power rank" because this is not objective analysis at all about who is the best player currently.
well this is a forum, and this is up for discussion, so i think the the point of the powerrank is to:
discuss, argue, gloat, fanboy, hindsightanalyze and so on!
the ranking does include facts, however how high single matches/series/achievements are rated is once again totally subjective, i dont even include Mvp in my own calculations, because i have him seeded on place 0 with a little golden shrine surrounding his picture xD
On June 08 2013 00:26 Targe wrote: lol this thread is full of so much disagreement.
Thanks monk, thanks others, you're a great guy.
The disagreement itself is part of the fun. I debate the power rank not because I think that the TL writers did some great injustice to Soulkey for instance, but because any ranking is arbitrary and there are always different choices they could have made and it's interesting to explore. I find it very annoying when people reflexively side with TL decisions and complain that you shouldn't criticize the ranking because you are hurting the writers' feelings or whatever, the entire point of the ranking is to invite criticism (or at least debate).
It seems that TL writers always try to make themselves sound like they are The fact source. Like this "power rank", which is 100% arbitrary and biased, yet they are trying to make that list sound like its somekind of fact.
What is the fucking point of that list? it has no real value. Hell, even TLPD is not good enough ranking system to define best players, its actually very bad system. According to TLPD, current best sc2 player is Life, give me a break here.
In my view, Power Rank should reflect the actual "power" players have shown within the respective month. That being said, of course winning code S is a big deal, yet it does not make you the Powerhouse of the month. I agree with most of the rankings, with the one exception of Soulkey and Flash. I would have put Flash #2 without hesitation. His month startet rough, but if you look at what his divinity has shown in the second half,I just don't see soulkey ahead. Hell, if it was a power rank consisting of the last 2 weeks, Flash would be first. But isn't that the beauty of the Power Rank? Endless debates
C'mon people, the concept of PR is great. And the execution of this PR is close to great.
We have PR the same reason why we have awards for best music, movies, sporting teams/personalities. E-sports is a much richer place than without it.
I don't see how TL has in any way represented PR as being a fact or the gospel truth. It's represented as the views of learned members in the community. You are free not to like such views or challenge them. But don't disparage their efforts, please.
i love how u guys always get wrong with ur ranks and stats!.. should stay more proffessional instead of passional.. the one u guys think are the best... are not the best for everybody... check ur thougs and your info before u post it! dawg!.
On June 08 2013 00:26 Targe wrote: lol this thread is full of so much disagreement.
Thanks monk, thanks others, you're a great guy.
The disagreement itself is part of the fun. I debate the power rank not because I think that the TL writers did some great injustice to Soulkey for instance, but because any ranking is arbitrary and there are always different choices they could have made and it's interesting to explore. I find it very annoying when people reflexively side with TL decisions and complain that you shouldn't criticize the ranking because you are hurting the writers' feelings or whatever, the entire point of the ranking is to invite criticism (or at least debate).
That's totally fair enough, there is a large difference between a well made point that's backed up and saying 'MarineKing should be no. 1 on this list, this list is bullshit'. I believe the TL writers do a great job and for the most agree with the ranking, there are a few things I would change, but it's not my ranking. ^^
I really cant figure out how forGG's shitty timing attack worked against Sos and Hero. I mean, its fucking embarrasing how he even won MSL beating LeeSSang with his timings, the only thing he was capable of. Now in starcraft 2, its even working better with the hellbats. I was hoping to see Soulkey cut Forgg into pieces but im happy mvp took care of him...
On June 08 2013 23:21 Magbane wrote: It seems that TL writers always try to make themselves sound like they are The fact source. Like this "power rank", which is 100% arbitrary and biased, yet they are trying to make that list sound like its somekind of fact.
What is the fucking point of that list? it has no real value. Hell, even TLPD is not good enough ranking system to define best players, its actually very bad system. According to TLPD, current best sc2 player is Life, give me a break here.
Power Rankings are Classic on TL, you should have seen them when it was just BW. flash, bisu, jaedong, fantasy .... if anything this list is weak, it is arbitrary but fun ... just enjoy it.
On June 08 2013 22:10 Magbane wrote: Interesting how (liquid member) hero got to the list while mvp got left out because Hero beat two more higher caliber players than mvp in tournament, while soulkey's GSL victory over innovation in Bo7 was widely ignored.
Also Flash is highly overrated in that power rank, he is not even close to being third best player in the starcraft 2 right now. The flash bias is so ridicilous.
What is the point of this "power rank" because this is not objective analysis at all about who is the best player currently.
You have to see a difference between the way HerO and Mvp have been playing lately. While their results may be close to similar HerO has been doing okay-ish in GSL while Mvp was herping around in Code B. I agree with Flash though. I would not say he does not deserve to be 3rd but rather that we don't have sufficient information. I don't think you can count an all-kill in PL as much as 4 separate kills. All-Kills happen way more often than what can be possibly explained with skill, the momentum is too important.
On June 08 2013 23:21 Magbane wrote: According to TLPD, current best sc2 player is Life, give me a break here.
That's because he is.
But power rank doesn't tell who's the best player. (For that you can also compare with Aligulac and perhaps even use other systems of your own.) Rather the power rank tells who looked hot this month. That's all. It's particularly biased, because it has to compare results from different platforms. For example, I'd say now it's a little too Proleague-biased. Players who aren't in Proleague are being dumped just for not being part of it and for not having played that much vs Proleague members lately.
On June 08 2013 23:21 Magbane wrote: According to TLPD, current best sc2 player is Life, give me a break here.
That's because he is.
But power rank doesn't tell who's the best player. (For that you can also compare with Aligulac and perhaps even use other systems of your own.) Rather the power rank tells who looked hot this month. That's all. It's particularly biased, because it has to compare results from different platforms. For example, I'd say now it's a little too Proleague-biased. Players who aren't in Proleague are being dumped just for not being part of it and for not having played that much vs Proleague members lately.
Actually, the top two players on TLPD are Soulkey and then Innovation. Life is around top 20. The TLPD stats on your right hand bar are WoL rankings. See this for HotS rankings. Aligulac also currently has Innovation as #1, then Life.
You can tell all the ppl bitching about power rank were not here in BW times.
I'd say every single person from BW knows not to take it as a fact, and the vast majority enjoy it. It's wholly subjective and it's very clearly obvious that it is.
On June 09 2013 08:21 FabledIntegral wrote: You can tell all the ppl bitching about power rank were not here in BW times.
I'd say every single person from BW knows not to take it as a fact, and the vast majority enjoy it. It's wholly subjective and it's very clearly obvious that it is.
It was more accurate in BW times though. Perhaps it has to do with how divided is the SC2 scene as of now, while in BW all relevant players took part in all events on equal grounds.
On June 09 2013 08:03 monk wrote: Aligulac also currently has Innovation as #1, then Life.
I believe at the time the Power Rank was made Life was still first though. Not that it should matter, of course. Life didn't play nearly enough as the other players, and participation matters for being hot. He's lucky to even be on the list, despite probably still being the best. If you are the best in a cave, you don't make it into PR, and that's fine.
i think people who are trying to argue against the ranking don't really get the point of all of this. It's supposed to be a review of who overall did remarkably well recently. Of course there will be people who disagree between who's N°1 and N°2, or who is at the edge of being in or out of the ranking. But in all cases it's just an occasion to get a look at the recent past events and get some instant nostalgia ( or getting a nice cover/ history of the must see actions ), all of this presented in a clear and organized way.
Or maybe it's like football and arguments about those details are part of the charm for some followers? :p
On June 09 2013 08:21 FabledIntegral wrote: You can tell all the ppl bitching about power rank were not here in BW times.
I'd say every single person from BW knows not to take it as a fact, and the vast majority enjoy it. It's wholly subjective and it's very clearly obvious that it is.
If you are familiar with other sports then you would know this as well. The whole point of power rankings is to ignite disagreement and debate. Ive yet to see an NFL PR in my 17 years of fandom that I didn't hate with a passion but also love reading and talking about at the same time.
The only one who loses with PR's is the ranker himself. Everyone thinks hes a biased idiot no matter what.
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