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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 30 2013 01:56 Plansix wrote: Unless terran is losing, then buff them right away so we don't end up with end of WoL part 2. You are strong in the bias my son, strong. Sorry, where exactly did I ask for any Terran buff? | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8739 Posts
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tenklavir
Slovakia116 Posts
On May 30 2013 01:56 Plansix wrote: Unless terran is losing, then buff them right away so we don't end up with end of WoL part 2. You are strong in the bias my son, strong. I think your signature lets us all know your unbiased thoughts on the matter | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 30 2013 01:56 TheDwf wrote: Sorry, where exactly did I ask for any Terran buff? You don't need to, they are winning right now. But if the positions were reversed, you would be saying a similar buff was to minor. No need to change the game while terran is winning. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 30 2013 02:00 tenklavir wrote: I think your signature lets us all know your unbiased thoughts on the matter You are right, I love Nony and his dry humor. You have gotten trapped me. | ||
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Decrith
Philippines46 Posts
On May 30 2013 01:52 wUndertUnge wrote: Reducing the viability of other race’s units and diminishing the options and breadth of play is a step in the wrong direction, IMO. Buffing and opening possibilities of play is much better. This doesn’t mean that I necessarily agree with this buff, but we’ll see after the test map comes out. Totally agree, its always a better buff something instead of nerfing because it makes the game more interesting. If everything was nerfed down, we'd ALL be seeing deathball style plays. As dayvie said, they want the game to be more dynamics, to have lots of options, nerfing something is an easy way to balance the game, but it discourage the very objective that they want. On a personal note, I agree Warp Prism is under used, and a buff sounds great, I just hope this doesn't make all-ins a lot more stronger, and whatever the case will be, whether it will be a full upgrade WP or a slightly buffed no upgrade WP, I'm all for it, because right now its pretty hard to do drops without over committing to it. | ||
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Creem
Sweden254 Posts
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WeaponX.7
Canada52 Posts
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
Protoss is already able to do this. People are talking like theyre introducing the new unit into the game with all the 'wrecking the meta' talk. What it means is that harass (which already exists!) will be a little harder to cut off, as the prism is faster than before. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 30 2013 02:01 Plansix wrote: You don't need to, they are winning right now. But if the positions were reversed, you would be saying a similar buff was to minor. No need to change the game while terran is winning. Straw man + Nostradamus syndrome won't hide the logical failure behind your position. Asking a buff based on one season played on one region which doesn't even feature the best players in the world is preposterous. | ||
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QueenMortis
59 Posts
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
On May 30 2013 01:10 awesomoecalypse wrote: I think this is a smart direction. The challenge with Protoss is coming up with ways to improve the race's potential for harass and multitask and high skill play, without making it stronger in all-ins and deathballs. Making speed prisms more accessible could definitely help with that. this idea is good but i'm afraid it will just bolster warp prism all-in plays in ZvP a la soul train or the like. The boost for harass is needed in PvT but dropping there still seems awful, i guess storm drops could be good now but all other stuf is still pretty useless to drop. I rather see a small nudge to oracles, something to make it less of an 'aha, i surprised you!' but just a viable option. | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
On May 30 2013 02:04 Creem wrote: This is a step in the right direction. Now if only Blizzard could remove warpgates, and only allow warpins through warp prisms, toss would actually be an enjoyable and entertaining race to watch/play. Thats actually...interesting.... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 30 2013 02:16 TheDwf wrote: Straw man + Nostradamus syndrome won't hide the logical failure behind your position. Asking a buff based on one season played on one region which doesn't even feature the best players in the world is preposterous. Citing argument falsies you looked up on Wikipedia does not make me incorrect. There is overwhelming evidence in this thread that you do not want any buffs for protoss, feel they are strong against terran and are willing to disregard any evidence that protoss are doing poorly. That is more than enough to make a case that you are bias toward terran and would gladly accept a buff if it was being tested. | ||
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AwM
United States80 Posts
I agree. Give them their speed buff, maybe even a Shield/HP buff so it is still a viable strategy that doesn't get picked off in a snap. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On May 30 2013 02:16 TheDwf wrote: Straw man + Nostradamus syndrome won't hide the logical failure behind your position. Asking a buff based on one season played on one region which doesn't even feature the best players in the world is preposterous. So can we base it on the fact that Protoss hasn't won a single hots tournament yet or that 2 of 3 regions are are showing clear under representation? And America is the weakest region. | ||
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Traceback
United States469 Posts
Whoa. I like that idea. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 30 2013 02:26 Wingblade wrote: So can we base it on the fact that Protoss hasn't won a single hots tournament yet or that 2 of 3 regions are are showing clear under representation? And America is the weakest region. Give up, he wants to wait 6-12 months until protoss until there are no protoss in the top 16 in premier league for any region so we can be 100% sure that protoss is, in fact, doing poorly. Because that was awesome at the end of WoL with infestors. | ||
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WindCalibur
Canada938 Posts
On May 30 2013 02:29 Plansix wrote: Give up, he wants to wait 6-12 months until protoss until there are no protoss in the top 16 in premier league for any region so we can be 100% sure that protoss is, in fact, doing poorly. Because that was awesome at the end of WoL with infestors. I don't see the point in buffing protoss right now, at all. It has been shown that there are top players capable of beating top terrans and zergs (Rain, sOs) and that they are doing very well in proleague. Sure, they aren't doing as well as terran or zergs in solo leagues, but they aren't being dismantled either. Let me remind you that sOs could have been in the finals of GSL korea if he played just a tiny bit better. But lets think about the repercussions of not buffing protoss. Worst case scenerio is that there will be an exodus of frustrated and demoralized protoss players who are tired of looking at their protoss heros fall. However, I do not think we are nearly at that point yet, considering how well protoss is doing in proleague, which accounts for a large majority of top tier play. It is also possible that not buffing protoss might actually give an unfair advantage to other races in leagues if protoss is truly unbalanced. However, these are all speculation. On the other hand, lets think about the repercussions of buffing protoss. Worst case is that something simple like this can result in an huge change in win ratio. Whether the reason be that protoss figure out something with the warp prism that is abusive or simply that this change uncovers some strategies that were overlooked, you cannot rule out that this is a possibility. Right now, on ladder and everywhere, there are an abundance of protoss players. Should blizzard risk balance by patching based on results and statistics? They should, if it is prevalent enough to be conclusive. However, the problem is that this is NOT enough to be conclusive. This is what TheDwf is trying to point out. Statistics currently for starcraft 2 can be skewed and heavily affected by individual outliers and differences between skills of players. This is why Blizzard is trying to be so careful. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11078 Posts
On May 30 2013 02:16 TheDwf wrote: Straw man + Nostradamus syndrome won't hide the logical failure behind your position. Asking a buff based on one season played on one region which doesn't even feature the best players in the world is preposterous. You don't think you are heavily biased? Just looking at your posts on balance since December makes it obvious enough you're focused on your race rather than the game's health. You're that self-aware right? Ha the exodus being talked about. Already happened in WoL. A lot of the classic toss guys are gone and I've gone from someone who ate, breathed and slept sc to a jaded participant. Tho I suppose I could blame it on the biggest change. So many of the terran players here are so petty. It was remarkable comparing the 1/1/1 era to the last few months of WoL. And again. | ||
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