Warp prism speed buff, test map. 5.28.2013 - Page 31

On May 29 2013 11:33 TheRabidDeer wrote:
What about HT warped in by WP fields take twice as long to warp in (so like 8-10 seconds) but spawn with 75 energy to promote aggressive storm drops instead of making WP faster?

On May 29 2013 11:04 FeyFey wrote:


The change ended up forcing Terran to go for double upgrades as soon as possible, so the gas can't go anywhere else at the start limiting the options a terran has and making them weak against some early game stuff. Removed the building upgrade from TvP you could say.
And Protoss still doesn't go for shield upgrades and only for 3/3 keeping their army at the equivalent of 2/2 of the other races wondering why they lose.
So every doomsday prediction that was reasonable happened.

On May 29 2013 11:50 petered wrote:


You still have the problem that storm currently does so little damage that almost all pros/better players will pull their workers without losing any before. Still, I really like that idea. I wish they would give storm a damage buff, possibly in conjunction with your change (and of course needed to nerf toss in a few other ways I would think).

On May 29 2013 11:12 Falling wrote:
I still think they need to look what goes IN to the warp-prism more than the warp-prism itself. Tweak with how effective units are when directly controlled to bump up harass potentinal. And I don't mean how the warp-prism can send an entire bank warp-gate reinforcements into an opponents base. But old-school shuttle play and storm harass. It'is for this reason that I have never liked the idea of the Oracle as a harass unit. I would much prefer making ground units used in conjuction with the warp-prism used for harss than air-spell-caster equivalent of the Void Ray.

On May 29 2013 11:30 Darkcloud20 wrote:
I still wish they would remove Warp Gate and buff gateway units.
I know it would pretty much require Blizzard to rework the whole Protoss race, but I think it would be for the better.

On May 29 2013 12:11 TheRabidDeer wrote:

I am about 90% sure that SC2 storm does more DPS than BW storm did, by a pretty good sized margin. If you buff damage of storm it would be guaranteed damage always. I have seen storm drops successful when used, it is just rarely used because HT take so long to build energy and you usually use them with your army because of that.

On May 29 2013 12:16 Plansix wrote:

Storm does more dps in SC2 than in BW?!?!? LOL. Wait wait, tell me another one. That colossi do more damage than reavers? Oh wait, that zerglings are stronger in sc2? That the raven is more powerful than the science vessel?

On May 29 2013 12:15 EleanorRIgby wrote:
thats way too much of a buff to start out with, just up the base speed a bit. 200 minerals for a speed prism that can warp in huge forces all around the map is stupid.

On May 29 2013 12:11 TheRabidDeer wrote:

I am about 90% sure that SC2 storm does more DPS than BW storm did, by a pretty good sized margin. If you buff damage of storm it would be guaranteed damage always. I have seen storm drops successful when used, it is just rarely used because HT take so long to build energy and you usually use them with your army because of that.

On May 29 2013 12:19 Rainling wrote:

sc1 storm does 112 damage, sc2 storm does 80 damage. I don't know how the aoes compare based on how units clump in both games.

On May 29 2013 12:22 Falling wrote:
You can't just look at dps, you have to look at where the damge occurs. Front-loaded burst damage better allows units to be dropped off and picked up continually. Although I'm pretty sure that BW storms do more damage. But SC2 storms have been balanced around the ease of mass storms rather than balanced around burst damage on a couple storms. Easy carpet-bombing the entire screen needs the damage diffused to be balanced. But it doesn't lend itself as much for harass where you need concentrated burst damage in very specific areas.

On May 29 2013 12:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:

They are both very comparable when it comes to dropping mineral lines, they both deal damage in .5 second intervals so it isnt any more bursty in BW. There are things that made BW storm feel much better though:
1) Shuttle dropping speed and HT that always had the energy to storm
2) The radius meant that workers near the edge still took more damage
3) Game speed
4) The fact that you couldnt select ALL of your workers with a single mouse drag to save them

I mean, if you buff storm damage or radius even a little in SC2, then storm drops would be OP and would always kill the entire mineral line if they were able to get out of the WP.

EDIT: Dont forget about the era of khaydarin amulet in SC2, storm drops were much more prevalent and were usually pretty good. The removal of that basically removed storm drops in SC2 from what I can tell.