EPTWarp prism speed buff, test map. 5.28.2013 - Page 28
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Swift118
United Kingdom335 Posts
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Swift118
United Kingdom335 Posts
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nickbradvica
United States20 Posts
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frostalgia
United States178 Posts
On May 29 2013 08:50 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Why does anyone think MORE speed for speedy Oracles is what they'd need if they need anything?!!? Oracles have a speed of 3.375, compared to the 4 of Mutalisks and 4.25 of Phoenix. If they had a top speed of 4, they would at least stand a chance after Mutas are out. Oracle's have an acceleration of 2, so buffing their speed to 4 would still make them slow to get away. Buffing the acceleration would make them harder to catch initially, buffing the speed makes them not always die. | ||
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F1rstAssau1t
1341 Posts
On May 29 2013 02:31 SupremeHD wrote: really stupid idea, have lings with speed from the start then i call it "balanced" And Marines with Combat Shields too pl0x. | ||
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willstertben
427 Posts
also having even less time to react to sentry force field on ramp gateway allins is a BAAAAAD thing. also: have blizzard checked pro league??? protoss DOMINATE there..... | ||
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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
On May 29 2013 02:44 baldgye wrote: I think the problem with protoss is the ability to be aggressive without it being an all in... maybe the warp prism can help in this regard?? ever heard of the msc? the deathball race will be more mobile than zerg, lol. | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
I just don't like the idea that all these speed buffs will make these seem like the key harassment options and maybe others might seem too much less desirable (like going for zerg drops instead of mutas). It all depends on what the players go for of course, though if toss goes for a lot of phoenixes, it can keep out the air routes for zerg, but then you have more ground, yada yada... I'm just trying to think of the implications of all of it; I don't want variety of harassment methods to go out the window and I don't want them making changes that make it too easy to keep harrasment tools like warp prisms, mutalisks and medivacs alive. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On May 29 2013 06:15 Emzeeshady wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Holy fucking noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They could buff stalkers or all gateway units if they made it so you cant place a pylon anywhere on the map, and were forced to go warp prism for advance warp ins. If you made it so pylons could only be warped in, in range of another pylon or nexus then we wouldnt have strong protoss all ins because their units would have to walk across the map like the rest of us. But since they cant do that anymore, you could buff them to make them more use-able in the mid-late game I mean the warp prism was designed for advance warpins, theres no reason to be able to place pylons everywhere. I think it would solve alot of the problems where Protoss all ins are suuuuper strong, but their mid game sucks because their gateway units are terrible against terran zerg low tier armies. Plus it would completely eliminate 4gate and change PvP. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
Everyone knows the reason why it's boring to watch any PvX is because Protoss simply cannot effectively trade units like Terran or Zergs do. That's why Protoss rely heavily on 1) force shield, 2) timing attack, or 3) all in. This is a problem with the design concept of warp in and weak gateway units. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 29 2013 08:47 frostalgia wrote: I watch streams all day and PL/GSL every night, and at the highest level Protoss is pretty easy to exploit. However, this change runs the risk of making PvT a drop-fest, and PvZ/PvP even more Muta/Phoenix. If you like how Terrans only rush to Hellbat drops or Bio drops every game, then you'll also like Protoss rushing to Immortal drops, DT drops, or Storm drops almost every game. With the Mothership Core, Warp Prism is already decent for mid-game harass. You can use Time Warp or Recall to assist gate-unit warp-ins. This speed buff will mean less gate-unit prism harass, and more immortal or storm drops. This is okay with me as a Protoss, I love speed prisms, and I am more than willing to go for drops every game. SC2 will become mostly about Drops, Mutas, n Static D.. but I guess at least it's not always deathballs! Moving Gravitic Drive to the Cybernetics Core would be a possible compromise if testing proves Speed Prisms at 6min are too strong. Easier to get it sooner is cool, automatic might be too much. Making it cheaper (75/75) would encourage more use. (same should happen to Overlord Speed/Burrow) I still think the most glaring problem at the highest level is that Medivac Afterburners are free. Medivacs always have a ton of Energy, rarely needing to worry about overstimming. Feedbacking Medivacs in late-game usually just snipes them off in one shot. Making Afterburners cost a little Energy would make Feedback prevent Medivacs from using boost, but would kill them a lot less. A fair trade for Terrans having to decide whether to spend their Medivac Energy on Heal, or on Boost. It's definitely a nerf, but a fair one for a free spell. A slight buff to Oracle speed should make them easier to keep alive, just leave acceleration where it is. Oracle harass seems to be just as underused as Prism harass. Making both a bit better means more choices.  TLDR: I like this idea, but think it needs to be moved to Cyber Core instead, and also buff Oracle speed. Actually the best way to nerf afterburners is to buff them. Remove the cooldown but give it a 25 energy use. This means that using afterburners often will weaken their healing--but have the side effect that using it a lot will increase mobility. This also means you can't use afterburners to escape after a big fight (healing drains energy too much) while at the same time give players the ability to turn off medivac healing to "boost" their ability to use afterburners. It would separate good medivac users from bad medivac users by leaps and bounds. | ||
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Highways
Australia6124 Posts
They have the lowest winning percentages in the leagues by far. Maybe move the viper to lair tech imo. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
On May 29 2013 09:21 Highways wrote: I don't mind the change, but shouldn't Zerg be getting a buff? They have the lowest winning percentages in the leagues by far. Maybe move the viper to lair tech imo. That's ridiculous. auto win | ||
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willstertben
427 Posts
On May 29 2013 09:21 Highways wrote: I don't mind the change, but shouldn't Zerg be getting a buff? They have the lowest winning percentages in the leagues by far. Maybe move the viper to lair tech imo. yeah but people hate zerg so it should stay weak. -sc2 player logic blizzard wants to keep their player base happy so zerg will stay shit for at least a year. maybe then people will stop hating zerg so much and they can get a buff. maybe. deal with it. | ||
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
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Mallidon
Scotland557 Posts
On May 29 2013 09:25 willstertben wrote: yeah but people hate zerg so it should stay weak. -sc2 player logic blizzard wants to keep their player base happy so zerg will stay shit for at least a year. maybe then people will stop hating zerg so much and they can get a buff. maybe. deal with it. Zerg stay shit? Since when has Zerg been 'shit' recently? A lot of your posting seems to be about stuff being good against Zerg. Hate to say it, but you might be needing to improve YOUR play, not Zerg in general? Lets look at Zerg recently: Last MLG Champ: Life (Zerg) Last Dreamhack Champ: Leenock (Zerg) Last GSL Champ: RorO (Zerg) (Granted WoL but w/e) Zerg is NOT 'shit' right now. In no way do I think its imbalanced overall as a race (not saying that at all), but it certainly is NOT 'shit' as you put it. Edit - For some perspective, I think (barring HasuObs winning EPS Germany, not a 'proper' international major imo though) we are still waiting on a Protoss win in a major tourney in HotS... Not suggesting underpowered, but just saying! | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On May 29 2013 09:25 willstertben wrote: yeah but people hate zerg so it should stay weak. -sc2 player logic blizzard wants to keep their player base happy so zerg will stay shit for at least a year. maybe then people will stop hating zerg so much and they can get a buff. maybe. deal with it. Welcome to the life of a terran for the first 2 years of WoL | ||
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idkfa
United States77 Posts
Whoops, wrong doomsday prediction. Boy, do I have egg on my face! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 29 2013 09:39 idkfa wrote: Dude if Blizzard buffs upgrade costs for Protoss, the game will be nothing but GomPvP. Whoops, wrong doomsday prediction. Boy, do I have egg on my face! LOL, I forgot about that freak out. "With the upgrade buff, how will anyone keep up with protoss on upgrades?" With that half a stalker, we will rule the world. There is nothing better than half a stalker. | ||
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