IdrA's gone. Stephano will be gone as well. So, what's in the future for Team Evil Geniuses?
Well, they're going to have a lot of money come August. IdrA's contract is already off the books, minus some rent payments, and Stephano has announced his retirement for August 15th (assuming he signed a one-year contract, his contract ends around then anyway).
In additional, they'll probably save some money on HuK in one way or another. HuK's EG signing was announced on August 17th of 2011, and he re-signed with EG in August of 2012, which tells us he has a 1 year contract. While we don't know if EG intends to let him walk or re-sign him at a lower rate (considering his form over the last year, a reduction seems inevitable), but in any case it's not hard to assume he'll be taking up less of their money this August.
So, why is August important? Avid Brood War fans will probably have guessed by now: KeSPA contracts end and free agency begins in August-September, at the end of the Proleague season. That's right, EG could make a run at another marquee KeSPA player.
KeSPA has always been super secretive about contracts, and any information we know about contract amounts and lengths is typically from Korean news articles stating unspecific sources.
The most lucrative potential target is SKT's PartinG.OSEN reported (English translation) that his current contract with SKT is only until September, the end of the Proleague season. OSEN reports a salary of around $65,000 for the nine months, which should be easy for EG to cover with money coming off the books.
Besides PartinG, the only player who has both the skill and marketing value to be worth a large salary for EG is probably KT's Flash. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem too likely that he'll be free any time soon. The last time he was supposedly going to be a "free agent," it was revealed that KT Rolster already gave him an extension the previous year, in anticipation of free agency. At his current pace, it's hard to see KT Rolster ever letting him out of their grasp.
Still, we don't know who will be available come August, and who will be considered the best, or most entertaining player in the world. There are two WCS Season left until then, and a LOT can happen in that time.
The real question here is whether or not KeSPA will let one of their marquee guys leave. The Association did loan out Jaedong to EG last November (Korean media refers to it as a loan, though EG doesn't seem to care about disputing this discrepancy) but that was all part of a larger plan to bring in EG-TL into the Proleague, appeal to a western audience, and get some salary relief for their internally funded 8th Team.
The Jaedong free agency debacle of 2009 taught us that KeSPA is more than willing to implement arbitrary rules to make sure top teams keep their top stars when it suits them. The rules did change to be more reasonable as a result of the Jaedong controversy, but don't think for a second that the idea of an ace level player leaving wouldn't make them come up with enough red tape to package an elephant.
While there's slim pickings in terms of star power, EG will definitely have the funds to pick up skillful, solid StarCraft II players should they decide they want to continue in Proleague (with or without TL). Revival, aLive, and Oz are bandaids, and they're showing nowhere near the skill of players you want to rely on as your core. But if it's cheap, pure talent they want, EG might as well pick off players on ESF teams instead of going after KeSPA free agents.
Speaking of eSF, there's them and foreign players to think about outside KeSPA. But that's a year round opportunity as opposed to having a particular season. After the PuMa fiasco in 2011, EG's approach toward picking up eSF players seems to have become more cautious, due to fear of harming their relationship with various Korean entities (GomTV is the chair of eSF, after all). But in the end, one can only make so much of an argument about EG being the "bad guy" if they are offering talented players the money they deserve.
As of now, it seems like Life is the only player they'd need that IdrA/Stephano/HuK/whatever money to acquire. Rumors are that Red Bull is very keen on keeping their logo on their little superstar, so it may take quite the bid to pry him away. Of the foreigners, DIMAGA is the only notable, teamless player who stands out, and perhaps he could become EG's next target depending on his performance at WCS Europe. It's hard to speculate too much about the foreign scene, considering Evil Geniuses already has Suppy and NaNiwa (on their Alliance brand), and we'll have to wait and see who receives acclaim at WCS EU/AM.
On a final note, there are a lot of other considerations for EG as well. The Alliance brand needs expanding, they need to think about what do with Jaedong in November, and they need to think about whether or not they have the stomach for another season of Proleague. Not only that, but they sponsor players in multiple other games as well, and the cash could be redistributed in that direction. But in any case, they are losing two of their biggest StarCraft II stars, and they have the need and the money to replace them.
TL;DR: Flip a coin. Heads: EG.PartinG.RC. Tails: EG.Life.RC. Lucfron loses regardless of result.
I think a lot also depends on the performance of their LoL and DOTA2 teams. If they do well at TI3 and the second half of LCS/Season 3 finals they will definitely command a far larger salary.
I doubt they would move too far from the foreign scene. Some of their most lovable players are foreigners, and they are typically easier to advertise with.
I am really looking forward to how the EG tale develops this year. A lot of interesting plot twists so far with players leaving and mysterious second divisions popping up.
Great article Wax. I feel like there's more potential for EG to pick up Kespa players than you let on though.
I don't think they'd shy away from shopping around for some "core" level players that maybe think they're worth more than they're getting and might do with a bit of western team exposure. Besides, if I was a player on a Kespa team, fighting to become the Ace of my team under players like Roro, Flash, Innovation, Rain, Parting, etc., etc., landing a contract that really isn't even that generous but puts me on EG sounds like a great way to have a spectacular breakout. Opportunities outside of Korea would be far more available, fanbases would expand, (assuming EG stays in PL) it might also be a great opportunity to become this season's punching bag of a team's new hotshot Ace ready to save the day and win the hearts of all the fangirls.
I want them to sign at least 4 new players this year. Under Alliance or EG. And they HAVE to stay in Proleague. Right?
NSH & Prime players could be viable options for EG to look into depending on what happens to the teams(seeing as they are probably the 2 weakest teams financially) I really do hope they stay in Proleague.
In terms of getting a good skill to money ratio, I would think some of the Woongjin players should be looked at. They are dominating proleague and have two GSL semi finalists.
Also, SKT have too many protoss players so perhaps Best would be available.
I think it comes down to whether or not they plan to continue to participate in proleague. If they stay for another season with proleague then they have to pick up a few solid Koreans, if they drop proleague then they simply just have to find a marketable foreigner. My guess is that they stop doing proleague and pick 1 or 2 people that did very well in WCS AM/EU.
If they were looking for cheap talent, a lot of ESF players would only be too happy to actually have some more stable incoming. Prime and NSHS players would be super easy to poach, which is pretty sad for both tiny teams.
In addition, any team with money is probably keeping a close eye on the new WCS leagues with all these new kids coming through. Cheap acquisitions with potential can be both risky and profitable.
That said, it'll depend on their overall strategy. They could intend to sure up their SPL team late in the overall league, or they could replace foreign stars with foreign stars. I imagine Stephano and Idra held decent chunks of salary, I wouldn't be surprised if they replace those two with 1 biggun + 4 lower levels.
I think dimaga agent already has said something exciting is in place for dimaga, but somehow I doubt it's eg. To be honest, I feel like eg isn't gonna pick up another foreigner, there hasn't been another really solid uprising foreigner recently imo
They'll buy one of the Woongjin Stars players. EG.sOs, Flying, or Soulkey. Wasn't Woongjin having some sponsorship issues before the season started? It could be difficult to keep too many high level players on one team. I could even see EG buying out a contract if possible. Would be hard for Woongjin to pass up the money.
On May 16 2013 13:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: They'll buy one of the Woongjin Stars players. EG.sOs, Flying, or Soulkey. Wasn't Woongjin having some sponsorship issues before the season started? It could be difficult to keep too many high level players on one team. I could even see EG buying out a contract if possible. Would be hard for Woongjin to pass up the money.
I love EG for what they are, but please stay away from Kespa players ;_;.. they're the majority of the players which really make this game enjoyable since the switch from bw->sc2 and taking them away from their home/friends is only going to hinder their performance (no offense, unless EG allows them to stay with the team which I don't foresee ever being worthwhile).
This obviously excludes players that want a larger salary and don't mind leaving their current team. Well, then I suppose EG is obviously the only team who can win any sort of bidding war.
On May 16 2013 13:49 Chairman Ray wrote: Who says they're only gonna pick up a single player?
#EGRolster2013
hypothetically they could swallow flash's reported $250~300k contract if they don't renew Jaedong on top of stephano retiring, etc, but that rest of the team would be too expensive
On May 16 2013 13:28 ETisME wrote: I think dimaga agent already has said something exciting is in place for dimaga, but somehow I doubt it's eg. To be honest, I feel like eg isn't gonna pick up another foreigner, there hasn't been another really solid uprising foreigner recently imo
Dimaga won't join EG; he stated multiple times that he doesn't want to move from his home country for relationship reasons
i would think kespa player heavily rely on teamhouse to practice and be as good as they are. leaving would decrease the quality of practice. so no good kespa player will switch, unless its for a lot more money.
Well, no one out there carries quite as much weight as the two that are leaving - I foresee the image of Stephano's/IdrA's departure long outshadowing whatever players EG might pick up - unless, that is, they can pry a replacement superstar from the hands of a competitor.
In my mind, it would be better for EG to groom their current lineup. Both Jaedong and Demu have massive potential and if I better invested in could yield very profitable returns. Jaedong possesses the crucial superstar element and it feels rather underplayed as of late.
And considering all the flak EG gets for "snatching up" pure players and "cursing them," (even if it is irrational, it's there)...engaging in a high-bling bidding war doesn't seem at all like the right way to go. You can't just buy up Flash...the amount of backlash that EG would receive from something like that would be crippling.
Haha, I'm interested too. I'm just hoping that the results from the player will be as big as the hype. Afterall, we still have around 3-4 months to go.
Dimaga is an interesting name you mentioned. Recent accomplishments of his are lacking, but still he's a solid player and being with EG could give him the boost he needs. He has the best following (that I know of) in Ukraine/Russia, and would add an interesting dimension for the EG team's representation and to the team personally.
I really don't think it's fair to call alive, oz and revival "band aid players"
They have all displayed pretty high levels of skill in my opinion. Furthermore the term "band aid player" is highly disrespectful regardless of your impression of how good they are.
This is just my personal preference, I much prefer objective journalism rather than shock value journalism, so it is entirely your choice
EG should honestly save the money and refocus. They have the tools, right now, to really grow their players and gain much ground in claiming tournament titles. Keep Coach Park on their payroll and let him continue to work his magic. Then, they can send more of their players to non-Korean tournaments like MLG, DreamHack, IEM, etc.
EG doesn't really need to rush to add a player to replace idra. Sure the NA scene for them is weak, but they are pretty strong in korea. And in real talk idra was gonna stop competiting and do something else with EG with a focus on media stuff. I actually wouldn't mind them giving money that could be used to sign a big name SC 2 player and maybe reward dota 2 or LoL players for performance.
I have no idea what Scarlett's contract is like but she's the most talented and marketable NA player out there, she deserves to some of that filthy EG money.
I wonder how much dough Red Bull would pony up to keep Life and if they believe he is worth the investment. I mean it is Red Bull after all and I wouldn't call this a coin-flip at all between PartinG and Life. Watch it come out of left field. Congrats on making another EG promotional thread, lol!
If they weren't stupid they would of called Huk's bluff and marketed the crap out of Naniwa, but now as it stands that's not an option anymore and thus must look elsewhere. Polt would be a really great choice if they can snag him from CMStorm. (Whatever that is, I'm not even sure if it's a team??)
best bet now is just to build up Revival, Oz, Alive, and most importantly Jaedong and see what happens with them while being on the outlook for up and comers they can grab
The big question is: Does EG wants to change their image? If i remember correctly some people like incontrol or idra himself said that it was not only sponsor pressure that lead to the decision to kick him.
Right now (in my opinion) a huge part of the community look at EG like Manchester City in football or the Lakers (this season) in basketball: The rich guys that throw money left and right and suck at winning. Thats not really an image that you want as a "sports" company.
The "EG curse" catchphrase is a example of that and it puts a lot of pressure on the players. If they want to get away from this it wouldn´t make sence to pick up someone like Life because he is on top of his game right now. And imagine Life falls to Code A after the pickup the community would immediately go back to "well Life is like huk, idra and JYP that stoped practicing because they don´t have time with all the money to count".
On May 16 2013 14:27 Defacer wrote: I'm hoping they pick up another NA Zerg.
I have no idea what Scarlett's contract is like but she's the most talented and marketable NA player out there, she deserves to some of that filthy EG money.
Scarlett said after gstl/wcs am shes going to be taking a break to heal her wrists so I doubt she would sign with EG.
On May 16 2013 14:53 AstroPegnuin wrote: If they weren't stupid they would of called Huk's bluff and marketed the crap out of Naniwa, but now as it stands that's not an option anymore and thus must look elsewhere. Polt would be a really great choice if they can snag him from CMStorm. (Whatever that is, I'm not even sure if it's a team??)
best bet now is just to build up Revival, Oz, Alive, and most importantly Jaedong and see what happens with them while being on the outlook for up and comers they can grab
On May 16 2013 14:53 USvBleakill wrote: The big question is: Does EG wants to change their image? If i remember correctly some people like incontrol or idra himself said that it was not only sponsor pressure that lead to the decision to kick him.
Right now (in my opinion) a huge part of the community look at EG like Manchester City in football or the Lakers (this season) in basketball: The rich guys that throw money left and right and suck at winning. Thats not really an image that you want as a "sports" company.
The "EG curse" catchphrase is a example of that and it puts a lot of pressure on the players. If they want to get away from this it wouldn´t make sence to pick up someone like Life because he is on top of his game right now. And imagine Life falls to Code A after the pickup the community would immediately go back to "well Life is like huk, idra and JYP that stoped practicing because they don´t have time with all the money to count".
I agree on this point. The team is famous enough, and they don't have glaring opportunities of highly marketable players left. Picking up life, Parting or Flash and seeing them slump would maybe not be really good (with JD it's ok because he wasn't top tier in sc2 in a first place. I really wouldn't mind that they keep buying promosing low/mid tier players (alive/oz/revival are mid tier) that haven't a huge hype on them, and try to make them better and gain some fan by themslef (instead of the usual "let's buy a player that is already supe rmarketable").
I'm an EG anti-fan from the early days (they just compeltely messed up may FGSTL by poaching players in my team), but I would reconsider my opinion if they change a bit the way they do stuff.
I will literally burn myself alive if Life joined the disgusting organization known as EG. eSportS shouldn't be about the money a team can provide, it should be about results and manners!
On May 16 2013 15:09 tshi wrote: I will literally burn myself alive if Life joined the disgusting organization known as EG. eSportS shouldn't be about the money a team can provide, it should be about results and manners!
On May 16 2013 15:09 tshi wrote: I will literally burn myself alive if Life joined the disgusting organization known as EG. eSportS shouldn't be about the money a team can provide, it should be about results and manners!
Aren't you supposed to be an EG fan ?
And know what literally means?
Pick up Polt for NA and Life and Parting for PL, please.
On May 16 2013 15:09 tshi wrote: I will literally burn myself alive if Life joined the disgusting organization known as EG. eSportS shouldn't be about the money a team can provide, it should be about results and manners!
Aren't you supposed to be an EG fan ?
It's weird indeed... By the way Evil Geniouses should really consider poaching Shine, he got a huge amount of (anti-) fans :D
i think they should pick up avilo or ms.spyte or maybe even painuser. i think avilo would be a huge pickup for EG because they could send him to korea and have him play in proleague and gsl. He could also help EG with coaching since he's written so many guides and comes up with tons of new strategies.
ms.spyte would be like an anna prosser 2.0 and would spice things up at the EG lair if she got picked up. she could also help with team moral by helping demuslim get over his break up with his girlfriend that idra complained about all the time.
painuser is also a totally obvious candidate for pickup. he has so much potential talent that i find it completely mind boggling eg hasn't made a move to add him to their proleague roster yet. if eg doesn't act quick and pick up painuser, he'll get taken by KTrolster to replace flash as their ace pretty soon.
On May 16 2013 15:28 Wojciech Zywny wrote: i think they should pick up avilo or ms.spyte or maybe even painuser. i think avilo would be a huge pickup for EG because they could send him to korea and have him play in proleague and gsl. He could also help EG with coaching since he's written so many guides and comes up with tons of new strategies.
ms.spyte would be like an anna prosser 2.0 and would spice things up at the EG lair if she got picked up. she could also help with team moral by helping demuslim get over his break up with his girlfriend that idra complained about all the time.
painuser is also a totally obvious candidate for pickup. he has so much potential talent that i find it completely mind boggling eg hasn't made a move to add him to their proleague roster yet. if eg doesn't act quick and pick up painuser, he'll get taken by KTrolster to replace flash as their ace pretty soon.
They don't have terrans. Only Alive, but he's not enough. FXOSC (SCfou) would be a great choice imo, SuperNova would also be pretty good. They're certainly better than most ESF terrans and better than at least half of the Kespa ones. A decent zerg and a world-class protoss would be nice, Revial, JYP, Oz and Huk don't have what it takes to be in Proleague or Code S anymore.
On May 16 2013 15:36 smogg wrote: They don't have terrans. Only Alive, but he's not enough. FXOSC (SCfou) would be a great choice imo, SuperNova would also be pretty good. They're certainly better than most ESF terrans and better than at least half of the Kespa ones. A decent zerg and a world-class protoss would be nice, Revial, JYP, Oz and Huk don't have what it takes to be in Proleague or Code S anymore.
Will Thorzain actually continue his carreer? In an interview before Dreamhack he mentioned his play being rusty due to learning for the SATs. His overall performance has also decreased a bit.
On May 16 2013 15:28 Wojciech Zywny wrote: i think they should pick up avilo or ms.spyte or maybe even painuser. i think avilo would be a huge pickup for EG because they could send him to korea and have him play in proleague and gsl. He could also help EG with coaching since he's written so many guides and comes up with tons of new strategies.
ms.spyte would be like an anna prosser 2.0 and would spice things up at the EG lair if she got picked up. she could also help with team moral by helping demuslim get over his break up with his girlfriend that idra complained about all the time.
painuser is also a totally obvious candidate for pickup. he has so much potential talent that i find it completely mind boggling eg hasn't made a move to add him to their proleague roster yet. if eg doesn't act quick and pick up painuser, he'll get taken by KTrolster to replace flash as their ace pretty soon.
I just....can't compute...ggghhh.
Well I assume there is some troll hidden on the post, and I like it (cf my sign) The idea of painuser in the position of "Ultimate weapon" made me giggle
I'm kind of shocked that EG hasn't picked up Coca. He is a known talent and would do well in Proleague, I doubt they would have to pay him much. As for other Koreans, who exactly? It is slim pickings since Azubu acquired all the notables and worth whiles. Perhaps EG could look for potential unknown talent? Is EG planning a long term stay in Korea to make this worthwhile? The EG/TL terran line up is abysmal, but what Korean terran is out there that they can acquire?
I honestly think their NA SC2 lineup is fine. Perhaps they could pick up players like hellokitty, spanishiwa, or kawaiirice for cheap. I don't know much about EG's financials but if Idra was reportedly making between $50K-80K, the three players above could be all had for at most $45K or way way way cheaper.
However, EG is a big name and a popular brand in the Esports scene. I can easily see them looking at star players whose contract is about to expire. They have the money to pick up two top tier players. There aren't any foreigners right now who were as dominant as Stephano when he was signed by EG so I doubt they would be paying the same salary. Perhaps they can afford more than two. Or maybe it's time to branch into other games? Two LOL teams is better than one.
On May 16 2013 15:28 Wojciech Zywny wrote: i think they should pick up avilo or ms.spyte or maybe even painuser. i think avilo would be a huge pickup for EG because they could send him to korea and have him play in proleague and gsl. He could also help EG with coaching since he's written so many guides and comes up with tons of new strategies.
ms.spyte would be like an anna prosser 2.0 and would spice things up at the EG lair if she got picked up. she could also help with team moral by helping demuslim get over his break up with his girlfriend that idra complained about all the time.
painuser is also a totally obvious candidate for pickup. he has so much potential talent that i find it completely mind boggling eg hasn't made a move to add him to their proleague roster yet. if eg doesn't act quick and pick up painuser, he'll get taken by KTrolster to replace flash as their ace pretty soon.
I'm glad my friend warned me by mail about this post. I looked for it on TL just to read it again.
great read! I thing EG.life.RC is the most likely outcome. parting really really wanted to be on a KeSPA team and I don t think he will go anywhere anytime soon
On May 16 2013 15:09 tshi wrote: I will literally burn myself alive if Life joined the disgusting organization known as EG. eSportS shouldn't be about the money a team can provide, it should be about results and manners!
Aren't you supposed to be an EG fan ?
And know what literally means?
Pick up Polt for NA and Life and Parting for PL, please.
Whoever they are going to recruit is much less interesting compared to the inevitable choice EG has to make next year between proleague and WCS AM region.
edit: Well actually signings could be an indication. - If its koreans with high skills, but less international popularity- then they are going to stick to proleague. - If its a high skilled superstar, then i guess its 50/50. - If the signings will be focused on popular foreigners - then they probably are going to start pretending that proleague never existed.
with the extra money EG should hire maybe a hunderd.. no a thousand new guys from the GM and high master ladder with cheap cotracts. One of them is bound to succeed.
Most of the gms would be like hell I'll never get signed anyway so they would agree to almost anything to get some pocket change and if they did succeed EG has many top tier players cheap + boosted the scene.
If RedBull wants to keep Life, EG cannot outbid that. And KeSPa teams have a lot of money, if they don't want to, they won't let a superstar leave. Besides that, I think every Korean potential superstar knows the value of a training house with his own team and the superiority of it over EG
EG should get Jim, he's sick good and it would increase their market value as they would sign a Chinese player.
On May 16 2013 15:51 algorithm0r wrote: Is it possible they could implode out of PR crisis so bad they couldn't fire a scapegoat?
I'm rather curious to know who has been "scapegoated" in the past.
You could argue how stupid the community is, but you can't argue that Orb, IdrA and whoever else were the ones that wrote what people brought the pitchforks out for.
On May 16 2013 16:44 Type|NarutO wrote: If RedBull wants to keep Life, EG cannot outbid that. And KeSPa teams have a lot of money, if they don't want to, they won't let a superstar leave.
Pft. Just tell Monster that RedBull wants Life. Easy-peasy.
One thing is for sure come August EG is going to be extremely lacking in the Zerg department and depending on what Huk does they could be lacking in the toss department as well.
What would be interesting to note is what foreigners will be available around then...why? Because while EG does pick up good koreans to boost their play ability, they still need English speakers to market their products and gain / keep sponsorship.
On May 16 2013 15:51 algorithm0r wrote: Is it possible they could implode out of PR crisis so bad they couldn't fire a scapegoat?
I'm rather curious to know who has been "scapegoated" in the past.
You could argue how stupid the community is, but you can't argue that Orb, IdrA and whoever else were the ones that wrote what people brought the pitchforks out for.
On May 16 2013 16:44 Type|NarutO wrote: If RedBull wants to keep Life, EG cannot outbid that. And KeSPa teams have a lot of money, if they don't want to, they won't let a superstar leave.
Pft. Just tell Monster that RedBull wants Life. Easy-peasy.
Red Bull is a lot bigger than Monster...^^
Monster: Revenue Increase US$1.703 Billion (FY 2011) Operating income Increase US$456 Million (FY 2011) Net income Increase US$286 Million (FY 2011) Total assets Increase US$1,362 Million (FY 2011) Total equity Increase US$930 Million (FY 2011)
RedBull: Revenue Increase €4.253 billion (2011) Operating income Increase €1.3 billion (2006) Net income Increase €650 million (2006)
Total assets and equity not on wiki also note RedBull data is from 2006 while Monster is 2011
redbull is doing space missions with people jumping to earth from near space for marketing reasons... they could buy anyone if they wanted. Redbulls marketing budget is as high as a medium countries tax income.
On May 16 2013 17:01 Holo82 wrote: redbull is doing space missions with people jumping to earth from near space for marketing reasons... they could buy anyone if they wanted. Redbulls marketing budget is as high as a medium countries tax income.
On May 16 2013 17:01 Holo82 wrote: redbull is doing space missions with people jumping to earth from near space for marketing reasons... they could buy anyone if they wanted. Redbulls marketing budget is as high as a medium countries tax income.
Wasn't really a "space mission", it was a "ballon". The price is ridicoulously low compared to sending some in space. But yeah I guess for redbull the marketting is a HUGE part of the budget, and they are quite good at it. And I do'nt really see why they would let go easily a highly marketable player from their roaster...
On May 16 2013 14:22 KelsierSC wrote: I really don't think it's fair to call alive, oz and revival "band aid players"
They have all displayed pretty high levels of skill in my opinion. Furthermore the term "band aid player" is highly disrespectful regardless of your impression of how good they are.
This is just my personal preference, I much prefer objective journalism rather than shock value journalism, so it is entirely your choice
On May 16 2013 13:49 Chairman Ray wrote: Who says they're only gonna pick up a single player?
#EGRolster2013
hypothetically they could swallow flash's reported $250~300k contract if they don't renew Jaedong on top of stephano retiring, etc, but that rest of the team would be too expensive
On May 16 2013 13:49 Chairman Ray wrote: Who says they're only gonna pick up a single player?
#EGRolster2013
hypothetically they could swallow flash's reported $250~300k contract if they don't renew Jaedong on top of stephano retiring, etc, but that rest of the team would be too expensive
Wait, is flash millionaire ? :OO
Well you keep a lot of money if you are living in a team house and spend 90% of your time practicing.
On May 16 2013 17:16 opterown wrote: is there a progamer tax on winnings/earnings in korea? i've always wondered that
. Taxable Income Resident individuals are taxed on their worldwide income. Non-resident individuals are taxed only on Korean-source income. b. Global and Schedular Income Taxation Income derived by residents and non-residents is subject to global and schedular taxation. Under global taxation, business income, wages and salaries, pension income, and other income are aggregated and taxed progressively. A combined income of dividend and interest exceeding 40 million won is subject to global taxation. Currently, interest and dividends are subject to withholding tax of 14 percent. Under schedular taxation, capital gains and retirement income are taxed at varying tax rates. * Other income includes the followings among others: (1) Money or goods received from participation in a lottery, and any other ５ prize won in a contest (2) Money or goods received as a prize in a lottery, drawing, or any other contest, including the purse payable to the buyer of a winning ticket for horse racing, cycle racing, motorboat racing, bull fighting and sports betting game (3) Money or goods for transfer or use of copyrighted materials received by any person other than copyright holders.
I wouldn't be surprised if EG grabs one of the Woongjin stars aces (soulkey, sos or flying). They're bound to be worried given the unstable state of their sponsor and salaries.
On May 16 2013 17:23 EpiK wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if EG grabs one of the Woongjin stars aces (soulkey, sos or flying). They're bound to be worried given the unstable state of their sponsor and salaries.
i don't think any of those 3 are particularly marketable though. there are players with more hype etc that they can go for, like parting, bogus, or multiple non-kespa guys e.g. jjakji
Hopefully who ever they are recruiting is going to stay with coach Park. At this point i don't think that anyone side from Puma has managed to win a major tournament after being with EG for more than 3 months.
On May 16 2013 17:23 EpiK wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if EG grabs one of the Woongjin stars aces (soulkey, sos or flying). They're bound to be worried given the unstable state of their sponsor and salaries.
i don't think any of those 3 are particularly marketable though. there are players with more hype etc that they can go for, like parting, bogus, or multiple non-kespa guys e.g. jjakji
if innovation wins WCS S1, then he instantly becomes super marketable, but also a guy other kespa teams are willing pay 100~150k / year
On May 16 2013 17:23 EpiK wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if EG grabs one of the Woongjin stars aces (soulkey, sos or flying). They're bound to be worried given the unstable state of their sponsor and salaries.
i don't think any of those 3 are particularly marketable though. there are players with more hype etc that they can go for, like parting, bogus, or multiple non-kespa guys e.g. jjakji
Well, none of their korean picks so far have been more "marketable" than these three aside from JD and Oz. Also, they're probably disappointed with EG-TL's SPL performance and trying to pick a player who may not be as hyped up but can get results. EG must also realize by now that their SPL performance has a huge impact on their brand image. They must be embarrassed with how the team did last season. That's my hope anyways. It's impossible to really predict these kinds of matters. But I really don't think Parting or Innovation will go to EG. They have both improved in their current environments and produced results recently so their contracts will likely be renewed with a significant raise most likely.
It will be interesting, you can expect two good signings imo, with maybe 3 if HuK/ThorZain leave as they haven't got any results recently. Who knows ^_^
Would love to see some big names join in though, and well imagine Life in SPL (all be it EG in it next season)
On May 16 2013 17:16 opterown wrote: is there a progamer tax on winnings/earnings in korea? i've always wondered that
When WCS KR vs NA came up, I believe some of the Korean players complained about how much more taxes they have to pay for US winnings (like 50% vs only like 20% in Korea). But, well, as memory goes...
On May 16 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote: It will be interesting, you can expect two good signings imo, with maybe 3 if HuK/ThorZain leave as they haven't got any results recently. Who knows ^_^
Would love to see some big names join in though, and well imagine Life in SPL (all be it EG in it next season)
thorzain is a may contract, I think he already re-upped
I don't think EG will look to Korea for the answer. They are losing two foreign superstars. I expect them to make Stephano a fairly impressive deal so he doesn't retire yet. They may sign a Korean or two, but I think a big foreigner will join as well. As for who? That's the more difficult part.
On May 16 2013 17:38 Pandemona wrote: It will be interesting, you can expect two good signings imo, with maybe 3 if HuK/ThorZain leave as they haven't got any results recently. Who knows ^_^
Would love to see some big names join in though, and well imagine Life in SPL (all be it EG in it next season)
thorzain is a may contract, I think he already re-upped
Besides, EG has essentially shown that they'll keep anyone on as long as they don't put their foot in their mouth. The only question is if the player will accept reduced salaries if their performance warrants the change.
(And not to single out Puma and LzGamer, but EG's reduced offers are probably fair for market consider both those players are still teamless)
On May 16 2013 17:46 AmuseD wrote: Maybe they could get Dragon for EG? Not as a particular ace player but for sponsor reasons since his stream is being well watched most of the time.
my first thought about this is that they really should never pick up an established superstar from the kespa-teams like jaedong again. for me it was a cool occasion that this ever happened but in hindsight i would rather see jaedong on one of the other kespa-teams again. and for EG in this matter: if they wanna play PL again they should get a broader roster (maybe coach park has some good players in sight) and if thats not the case, i dont care to be honest. maybe they can leave PL and join an other teamleague where they can pull some results with potential new players and get some hype with those potential results. looks kinda bad in terms of potential greatness from the actual roster imo maybe they can afford to buy karont3 as a whole.
They are going to finally start adding in completely new players and soon we shall see players you have never heard of join EG as up and comers!
In reality no idea but it should be interesting, I am kinda curious if they are going to get more players for proleague next season for the 2 new players they get or whatever.
yeah.. ...well a lot of STX employees havent been paid salaries for months now i wouldnt be surprised to see them disband. I think it is quite possible for EG to acquire innovation should STX disband :0
On May 16 2013 18:00 mongmong wrote: yeah.. ...well a lot of STX employees havent been paid salaries for months now i wouldnt be surprised to see them disband. I think it is quite possible for EG to acquire innovation should STX disband :0
I'd love to see an EG-CJ bidding war for his services
On May 16 2013 18:00 mongmong wrote: yeah.. ...well a lot of STX employees havent been paid salaries for months now i wouldnt be surprised to see them disband. I think it is quite possible for EG to acquire innovation should STX disband :0
I'd love to see an EG-CJ bidding war for his services
Unless they intend to throw their full weight behind Proleague, I think it would be better for them to focus more on the foreigner market. WCS in America and Europe is a huge plus for sponsors, and I'm pretty sure good representation in WCS America is something the sponsors want more than anything as regards EG's SC2 players. With Season 2 of WCS more heavily focused on offline play, and with EG's Koreans physically tied up with Proleague in Korea, they will need more players like Suppy, and there's quite a few Americans/Canadians on smaller teams (and probably no salary) who could fill that spot, and be EG's face in the West.
I doubt they pick up one of the top kespa players like flash or innovation. They just seem too expensive. It wouldn't make sense to get 1 top player and having so many mediocre players. It's not like this player can win you proleague especially in the non all kill format.
I have to agree with naruto Jim would be a great pick up. Maybe also Coca and Polt? Aren't they available right now? Sen would also a good pick-up. Not sure if he is studying or playing full time. It could be a good possibilty for him to play WCS in EU or NA. mOOnGLaDe would be a great pick up aswell. He is already very popular and could add to their shows with idra leaving. If they pick up koreans i think it will be a mid high tier player. A player that can get some wins and has some marketing value and isn't ridiculous expensive. Maybe Violet?
Talking about HuKs contract, weren't there bit of a conflict last year when they were discussing and signing the new contract? I remember Incontrol telling in interview around Dreamhack(?) that they had few disputes about the contract and that was why it was signed "late". So if i remember correctly, it's kinda obvious that HuK might get reductions, unless the contract they signed last year was significant reduction already.
Interesting times ahead, nevertheless.
e. Actually, might've been the interview mentioned in the reddit thread, Wax used as a source Reddit
On May 16 2013 13:49 Chairman Ray wrote: Who says they're only gonna pick up a single player?
#EGRolster2013
hypothetically they could swallow flash's reported $250~300k contract if they don't renew Jaedong on top of stephano retiring, etc, but that rest of the team would be too expensive
I would be suprised to hear Flash's salary to be even in that ballpark.
On another note, EG should get a good talent scout like Nazgul and use that money to get talent from the deep player pool of Korea. The good thing about Koreans is that even relative unknowns can have lots of talent and they come cheap.
It'll most likely be a Korean if they do pick someone up. I heard Geoff say that they were looking for Koreans to unify the team thus they wont be hiring foreigners. I highly doubt Flash will leave KT. I hope they do pick up some strong players though, not just "ok" Koreans.
After Parting's relationship with Suppy I don't see him joining the team. Flash would be a great addition, but I don't think Kespa would release someone they already know is good. MC would be an interesting pick up.
EG is probably the most lucrative team right now then IM. Good point Wax. Come August, all that dollah dollah bills will be pilling up and they will look to get some more Koreans unless they want more "USA" based players. It draws an international crowd if you have the best foreigner after all.
I'm very bored by the korean players, no matter how good their results are and EG has always been the team with the most personality on it. Idra, HuK, Thorzain, Stephano and Puma as the only korean with somewhat of a personality are the reason why I know EG so well. They made me root for them in clanwars, they made me subscribe to their youtube channel, they made me actually watch tournaments. Incontrol adds some to it as a caster but at the end of the day, you want to cheer for players. Suppy is a really funny and nice guy but he lacks some marketing I guess to make him more outstanding. Machine proved himself in many of those hilarious commercials and youtube clips but didn't show results ever. With the biggest personalities (Idra, Puma and Stephano) leaving and HuK, Demuslim and Thorzain not doing so well, you tend to look at their other people. Revival, JYP, Jaedong (even though he is a BW legend) are boring to me. I don't care at all if I see them play because there aren't that many korean who actually make it out of their nutshell and get in touch with the non-korean scene. Polt, Nestea, MVP, MC, MMA, MarineKing and DRG are the only korean players that actually did well and have some kind of personal touch to them which is sad because that is all I can remember from over 3 years of watching the starcraft scene. Everyone else might be good as a player but they seem to be soulless robots. Leenock is close to become part of that list and Boxer was left out because he retired. So at the end of the day, I feel like I am losing interest in EG because they need results now and the chance of adding another soulless robot (Parting, Flash... sry fanboys :D ) increases. What they really need is a Stephano or another Idra... both very very strong personalities with very good results (even though Idra's results are in the earlier days of WoL). As it is now, I will put Acer on my Nr. 1 spot because they have good players and good personalities!
On May 16 2013 13:49 Chairman Ray wrote: Who says they're only gonna pick up a single player?
#EGRolster2013
hypothetically they could swallow flash's reported $250~300k contract if they don't renew Jaedong on top of stephano retiring, etc, but that rest of the team would be too expensive
I would be suprised to hear Flash's salary to be even in that ballpark.
On another note, EG should get a good talent scout like Nazgul and use that money to get talent from the deep player pool of Korea. The good thing about Koreans is that even relative unknowns can have lots of talent and they come cheap.
Talent scout like Nazgul? This isnt football. Every player can do talant scouting when he gets around much.
Idra being removed from EG , I think was the worst thing they've done lol . The edge they had , I just feel its gone . Stephano was the next interesting player , he's going ...
DeMuslim is the only player I would watch now personally ....
We have Incontrol who's acting is getting stale ....
But anyway , losing idra , has made me almost lose complete interest in EG. Pretty boring now.
I wonder the same thing about Liquid after HayprO and Jinro retired, NonY left the team, TaeJa having continued wrist problems, and Sheth being inactive for such a long time now. I hope both EG and Liquid will stay in Proleague as EG-TL at least for another season to prove that Coach Park can really make a difference if he's there right from the beginning.
I will be sad if the EG of the future steps down as the big prize at the end of the rainbow for foreign players, and instead becomes yet another foreign-of-name-only team.
On May 16 2013 20:42 letian wrote: But honestly, I would not want any top koreans join EGTL, I shall stop watching SC2 if they hire Innovation or Flash or Life.
See this is interesting. STX as a company are tanking, and you can only imagine that they'll start cutting off investments that aren't garnering any returns, so STX Soul might not be left for long. So why does it bother you if a team can supply a player with a stable living and income if it is EG signing them and not another KeSPA team?
On May 16 2013 20:49 Godwrath wrote: I have a question, what are the plans for the EG lair as far we know ? I heard something about moving it ?
SC2 division is moving to San Fran, EG's dota team is using the AZ house.
On May 16 2013 20:49 Godwrath wrote: I have a question, what are the plans for the EG lair as far we know ? I heard something about moving it ?
Dota squad and HuK/Demuslim are there right now at least. They seem to have a place in San Fransisco(?) already though. But yeah, don't know whether the place in Arizona is gonna stay or not. It's pretty 'cheap' to maintain according to Scoots.
On May 16 2013 20:36 snorlax1 wrote: HuK back to Liquid, maybe?
Doubt it. HuK is still pretty good and more often than not kicks Korean ass.
I would hope EG takes a bit more responsibility in their player's training. Whenever I watch an EG player in a tournament or on stream they kind of do their own thing. HuK for example never seems to go macro but prefers some weird gateway timings that sometimes seem really, really weak. The Terrans play pretty close to what we consider standard but still have a couple of unique features.
I don't want to say that this is always bad but I think in some cases players underperformed because they chose bad strategies, a problem that could certainly improved by better coaching.
Also, welcome EG.MC 2013?
Parting Flash and Rain seem like good targets but I think EG also needs to get a new foreign flagship. Thorzain, Demuslim and HuK are all good players (good, as in better than most foreigners) but not dominant enough. NaNi is taken, Grubby does is hown thing, Stephano quit. Who would be the next big foreigner? Could ToD be one of the top players given the right envirnoment?
There are, but most of them are europeans and are very happy on their teams. If they are not really planning on a lair with estrict training schedules and coaches, hiring foreigners seem totally pointless to me when you can hire koreans and they actually have a teamhouse and a coach.
I see no reason for EG to continue proleague. PL gets them absolutely nothing; viewership is bad, production for foreign viewers is bad, their results are bad and its gotta cost them a lot of money to run both a US and a KR operation. I think what you'll see from EG is refocussing on WCS NA/EU and moving their flagship players to those regions also, even if they're korean.
Well looking at their roster for Proleague which looks like this atm: EG: Jaedong, Revival, JYP, Oz, aLive TL: HerO, Taeja, Zenio, (Snute)
It makes me think that they'll probably let go of Revival + maybe JYP. They could pick up eSF-players which much more following and I was suprised they didn't when they picked up Oz and aLive. I'm thinking of players like DRG, MKP and Leenock. It would be intresting to see if Coach Park could give DRG and MKP for an example the boost they need to once again be at the very top of their race.
An EG-TL lineup with 7 players in this case could look like: HerO, Taeja, Marineking, Dongraegu, Jaedong, Oz, aLive.
Thinking back one year or something this would sound crazy and maybe it still does but I can always dream.
One other interesting thought I had was what if they bought Karont3 then they could add players from that team to either EG or Alliance. viPro would go to Allliance meanwhile the Duran brothers could go to either team. Then there's also the possibility of Dimaga joining either team.
On May 16 2013 15:42 Irrational_Animal wrote: Will Thorzain actually continue his carreer? In an interview before Dreamhack he mentioned his play being rusty due to learning for the SATs. His overall performance has also decreased a bit.
By the way, in all seriousness, Dimaga is probably one of the few players in the world who might survive "the curse" of those "dirty money" and keep playing his best no matter what, even if he's on EG/Alliance. He's a beast. Always has been.
EG's not really a team that scouts talent, as much as, just hiring the most accomplishing player. So maybe Innovation/Life/Parting, or Leenock if they want someone who can attend and win all foreign events. It's interesting to see if they're gonna focus on their korean team house, or the team house in US, since now there's WCS, getting sick players like Polt and Leenock could vastly improve foreigner staff members also.
Even if EG should lose Thorzain and HuK aswell, i don't necessarily think that would be a bad thing. IdrA, Stephano, Thorzain and HuK are all very distinctive players, if not in terms of results then atleast personality, just as EG overall is a team with a lot of personality. On the flip side it is a team that is almost notorius for their lack of results, and everytime a new player joins their team the one thing that comes to mind is the "EG-curse".
With HotS and WCS still being relatively new, and most likely the start of the second era of SC2 i think it would be easier for EG to get rid of their former reputation of being the "frat house", and actually being recognized as a winning team, if their roster got an overhaul.
what about hellokitty? He is solid enough and wouldn't cost them too much and they had another US american on the team. Otherwise they could hire whitera... that would be sick... haha . whitera has a single sponsor, but he is actually teamless..
On May 16 2013 13:26 Entirety wrote: I find it ridiculous that only PartinG and Flash are named for KeSPA.
What about RorO, Hydra, ZerO, sOs, INnoVation, Soulkey, free, Flying, Argo, Trap, Cure, Rain, FanTaSy, Zest, Stats...
while I wouldn't say ridiculous, I'd use bias lol seeing as Innovation would be someone I would've mentioned over PartinG
Please no life, Innovation, Flash, heck, no Korean players to EG, only foreign players. In the KeSPA environment, they train, improve and such but I just don't see it at all in the EG training environment. I expected Jaedong to be a beast by now yet I've seen him play good games and other rather really horrible ones. Obviously everyone has his good and bad days and we can't blame EG for how he plays but their previous background with other gamers doesn't bode well for them imo
On May 16 2013 13:26 Entirety wrote: I find it ridiculous that only PartinG and Flash are named for KeSPA.
What about RorO, Hydra, ZerO, sOs, INnoVation, Soulkey, free, Flying, Argo, Trap, Cure, Rain, FanTaSy, Zest, Stats...
while I wouldn't say ridiculous, I'd use bias lol seeing as Innovation would be someone I would've mentioned over PartinG
Please no life, Innovation, Flash, heck, no Korean players to EG, only foreign players. In the KeSPA environment, they train, improve and such but I just don't see it at all in the EG training environment. I expected Jaedong to be a beast by now yet I've seen him play good games and other rather really horrible ones. Obviously everyone has his good and bad days and we can't blame EG for how he plays but their previous background with other gamers doesn't bode well for them imo
also you can make money out of NAMES; trap argo hydra zero zest stats ... have zero marketing value from that point on (only korean knowers know them)
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
jaedong, flash, parting ... even BISU would be a nice pick for marketing, life ? jaeh i gues, for sure it would be leenock but alot even GREAT koreans have no marketing value
On May 16 2013 13:26 Entirety wrote: I find it ridiculous that only PartinG and Flash are named for KeSPA.
What about RorO, Hydra, ZerO, sOs, INnoVation, Soulkey, free, Flying, Argo, Trap, Cure, Rain, FanTaSy, Zest, Stats...
while I wouldn't say ridiculous, I'd use bias lol seeing as Innovation would be someone I would've mentioned over PartinG
Please no life, Innovation, Flash, heck, no Korean players to EG, only foreign players. In the KeSPA environment, they train, improve and such but I just don't see it at all in the EG training environment. I expected Jaedong to be a beast by now yet I've seen him play good games and other rather really horrible ones. Obviously everyone has his good and bad days and we can't blame EG for how he plays but their previous background with other gamers doesn't bode well for them imo
also you can make money out of NAMES; trap argo hydra zero zest stats ... have zero marketing value from that point on (only korean knowers know them)
well of course. I saw the major hype around Jaedong joining EG but I doubt KeSPA teams will just hand over their stars though. I think Jaedong's situation is a bit different considering what team he was on.
EG seems to have A LOT of money - maybe/probably more than other teams -, but I dont think it would be a good thing for them to simply buy up all the best players. Let me explain why:
Here in germany we have the football Bundesliga and the richest club by miles is Bayern Munich. They have bought the best players from other clubs for decades now and even though this has given the other clubs a little money in the form of transfer fees, it still damages the competition by breaking apart good teams because the "star players" are offered higher salaries. Often enough this has ended with those players sitting on a star studded bench in Munich and not playing all that much.
So to prevent this from happening I would advise EG to exercise caution when it comes to buying talent. Luckily the danger seems not as great though, because there are a lot of talented players out there, but denying other teams the opportunity to have a big motivator is a bad thing for the sport in general. My current impression is that they havent really managed to get a super successful TEAM going and it might be a wiser choice to look for younger players with lots of talent and develop them over a long time in a stable environment.
On May 16 2013 22:09 Rabiator wrote: EG seems to have A LOT of money - maybe/probably more than other teams -, but I dont think it would be a good thing for them to simply buy up all the best players. Let me explain why:
Here in germany we have the football Bundesliga and the richest club by miles is Bayern Munich. They have bought the best players from other clubs for decades now and even though this has given the other clubs a little money in the form of transfer fees, it still damages the competition by breaking apart good teams because the "star players" are offered higher salaries. Often enough this has ended with those players sitting on a star studded bench in Munich and not playing all that much.
So to prevent this from happening I would advise EG to exercise caution when it comes to buying talent. Luckily the danger seems not as great though, because there are a lot of talented players out there, but denying other teams the opportunity to have a big motivator is a bad thing for the sport in general. My current impression is that they havent really managed to get a super successful TEAM going and it might be a wiser choice to look for younger players with lots of talent and develop them over a long time in a stable environment.
Yeah it would be a problem if this was purely a team game, plus as it stands right now, EG-TL is DEAD LAST in proleague, and that is where they want to compete. I think they're very far from having bought up all the talent.
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits.
At the start of the current SPL, EGTL thought that they were top tier with their current rosters just because those KESPA Players didn`t play competitive sc2 for that long...
The end of the story is currently running with EGTL on the last spot. If they want to compete they ll need way more korean talent and by "talent" i mean top tier talent like Innovation, Life or RoRo.
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits.
Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill.
Don't think IdrA and Stephano leaving will change plans for the proleague team. So unless they get another star player for the proleague, that they try to market outside of Korea, too, they only need to change their foreign roster.
Doesn't make sense to add an NA player except Scarlett. And even then, she has wrists problems and appears to be pretty happy with Team Acer.
There isn't and probably won't be a dominating player in the EU scene like Stephano was (with the Zerg style he founded). The closest thing to that would be LucifroN, who said no to EG already. Would need to up the offer to change his mind.
The other option would be to add several NA or EU players at once. But that's not EG's style, EG is not a team that builds up talent and it's not what their sponsors are looking for.
Or get a Korean with marketable personality and move/support him to the US, like Polt or viOlet. Market him as the American Dream or something.
It would be the best for professional reasons if HuK moved back to NA. It is pretty clear that there is nothing to take from Korea as a foreigner anymore. Otherwise he will just drop out like JinrO.
Let Suppy pause his studies and give him a fulltime year. Not sure if that's what Suppy and EG want.
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits.
Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill.
bogus, soulkey and shy are all pretty reserved and plenty of people get their knickers in a twist about them.
and there is not such thing as 'no personality' =.=. there are reserved/extroverted/etc personalities but only robots have "no personalities" zzz
I've been thinking this same thing. PLEASE EG, don't take anybody from my beloved SKT. Especially not Parting, Rain or Fantasy (one day he will be the best...maybe).
I think EG should be looking at this fella named sOs. He's only just become a star, but he's EASILY the best non-SKT Protoss on the planet right now. He's also entertaining as hell to watch and would give EG-TL an incredibly solid ace (Taeja is probably the only player good enough for the ace spot, but he's injured, which makes life hard).
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits.
Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill.
just because not everyone dances and crossdresses on his stream doesnt mean they dont have personalities u ignorant ass
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits.
Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill.
bogus, soulkey and shy are all pretty reserved and plenty of people get their knickers in a twist about them.
and there is not such thing as 'no personality' =.=. there are reserved/extroverted/etc personalities but only robots have "no personalities" zzz
Boring personalities, then.
to the poster above me: I despise Dragon. I mean players like Parting/MC that are more interesting than your typical boring "I will try my best for the fans" snoozefest. That's the kind of players EG likes to pick up, so this line of thinking is 100% relevant and valid to this subject.
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits.
Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill.
bogus, soulkey and shy are all pretty reserved and plenty of people get their knickers in a twist about them.
and there is not such thing as 'no personality' =.=. there are reserved/extroverted/etc personalities but only robots have "no personalities" zzz
Boring personalities, then.
to the poster above me: I despise Dragon. I mean players like Parting/MC that are more interesting than your typical boring "I will try my best for the fans" snoozefest. That's the kind of players EG likes to pick up, so this line of thinking is 100% relevant and valid to this subject.
I disagree. In many ways, the team, not the player, creates personality through advertizing/PR. The player shouldn't have a second job of making himself "cool" for you. It's icing on the cake. If the player refuses to learn any english, then that's a different story. Since, let's face it, that's the main obstacle regarding Koreans.
On May 16 2013 22:33 TRaFFiC wrote: They should pick up some young NA GM players at a low price. Would be good for them and the scene.
NA GM aint worth shit in Korea. You never realized that EG only signs ppl once they have peaked ( hence the EG curse )?
sure it would be a low investment, but the returns on that investment would be marginal at best imo.
If dudes like Incontrol and Demuslim are NA GMs and cant even get close to korea or risk being dismembered, what purpose would another NA GM serve on the team? virtual punching bag?
EG Picked up Naniwa and no Tighthunter. Why should they pick up other players outside for Pro League. TL should pick up Flash! Its EG-TL and TL should do something too for the Pro League
On May 16 2013 22:53 tadL wrote: EG Picked up Naniwa and no Tighthunter. Why should they pick up other players outside for Pro League. TL should pick up Flash! Its EG-TL and TL should do something too for the Pro League
No Tighthunter made me chuckle ^^
It's TideHunter, a hero in Dota. They just heavily disliked the hero and named the team after that.
On May 16 2013 22:33 TRaFFiC wrote: They should pick up some young NA GM players at a low price. Would be good for them and the scene.
NA GM aint worth shit in Korea. You never realized that EG only signs ppl once they have peaked ( hence the EG curse )?
sure it would be a low investment, but the returns on that investment would be marginal at best imo.
If dudes like Incontrol and Demuslim are NA GMs and cant even get close to korea or risk being dismembered, what purpose would another NA GM serve on the team? virtual punching bag?
If you sign young gm players (I'm talking 15-17 years old here), they obviously haven't peaked yet. They are full of potential and you get them at a low price. The return on investment could be much bigger in the long run. It also supports the NA scene. Isn't that most important?
Incontrol is very underrated, but he also peaked a long time ago. He's not getting much better. Demu is owning up NA. He doesn't want to go to Korea.
As far as competing in Korea goes, they should get koreans.
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
it's very insulting to say "zyx has no personality." it may be true that "zyx has no marketability" but suggesting that certain players are not picked up since they have no personality is fairly insulting to them as people, especially when you consider their culture promotes such traits.
Still doesn't change the fact that players with no personality are boring, regardless of skill.
bogus, soulkey and shy are all pretty reserved and plenty of people get their knickers in a twist about them.
and there is not such thing as 'no personality' =.=. there are reserved/extroverted/etc personalities but only robots have "no personalities" zzz
Personality is a bad term that we throw around a lot when talking about players. We should be more focused on players that can make a connection with their fans outside of their own gameplay. They don’t need to be an over the top personality like MC. It doesn't take a lot of effort and even the reserved players can do something to connect with their fans. Players like Crank, who is normally pretty reserved, is still endearing when he tries to post things to TB on twitter in English.
But the standard:
• Go to booth • Play best of 5 • Win/lose • After match interview if they win • Radio Silence until next round of GSL
is makes is very hard to connect or feel invested in that player unless you really enjoy their gameplay. This is where the “Korean Robot” stereotype comes from and its not wrong for people watching to want a bit more from the players. After all, we are fans and asking “hey, we think your awesome, can we see more of you?” should be considered a good thing.
On May 16 2013 15:00 -Archangel- wrote: Only two foreigners left with big market value: EGTLO or EGGrubby
I highly doubt it's either of them since Grubby is quite happy with being solo sponsored and he also used to be on EG at the beginning of SC2. And TLO just loves TeamLiquid. I don't think he's that kind of person who would trade money for a family
PartinG and Life had beef 'cause Startale felt betrayed by PartinG's move to another Korean organization, Kespa. I wanna see the heat Life gets if he ever decides to move to a foreigner team known for poaching, throwing huge amounts of money to players, and forcing them to be community idols over competitors. It's something Life would need to think about.
On May 16 2013 13:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: They'll buy one of the Woongjin Stars players. EG.sOs, Flying, or Soulkey. Wasn't Woongjin having some sponsorship issues before the season started? It could be difficult to keep too many high level players on one team. I could even see EG buying out a contract if possible. Would be hard for Woongjin to pass up the money.
Please stay the heck away from Woongjin! I want to see a Woongwin (yeah, I know, shucks!) at the end of the proleague season! If they do, maybe they'll get more sponsorship deals and be able to keep their players.
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
jaedong, flash, parting ... even BISU would be a nice pick for marketing, life ? jaeh i gues, for sure it would be leenock but alot even GREAT koreans have no marketing value
Bullshit. Axiom proved you wrong. If teams wanted to use them as marketing tools they could do that but most Koreans get paid to win. EG uses their foreigners for marketing and their Koreans for winning both things give the team exposure. They could put JYP in a commercial and do some funny skit about not understanding English but thats not what they want to do..
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
jaedong, flash, parting ... even BISU would be a nice pick for marketing, life ? jaeh i gues, for sure it would be leenock but alot even GREAT koreans have no marketing value
Bullshit. Axiom proved you wrong. If teams wanted to use them as marketing tools they could do that but most Koreans get paid to win. EG uses their foreigners for marketing and their Koreans for winning both things give the team exposure. They could put JYP in a commercial and do some funny skit about not understanding English but thats not what they want to do..
This is borderline racist. What is your source? lol. I mean I haven't seen demu in commercials? The primary reason has nothing to do with being korean or not. It's speaking English.
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
jaedong, flash, parting ... even BISU would be a nice pick for marketing, life ? jaeh i gues, for sure it would be leenock but alot even GREAT koreans have no marketing value
Bullshit. Axiom proved you wrong. If teams wanted to use them as marketing tools they could do that but most Koreans get paid to win. EG uses their foreigners for marketing and their Koreans for winning both things give the team exposure. They could put JYP in a commercial and do some funny skit about not understanding English but thats not what they want to do..
This is borderline racist. What is your source? lol. I mean I haven't seen demu in commercials? The primary reason has nothing to do with being korean or not. It's speaking English.
Whats so racist about it? The point of the Kingston commercials is not to highlight the product its to get as many hits as possible and we all saw how popular the clips of Incontrol trolling Koreans were. Also Korean players stream way less than foreigners (only ForGG streams constantly) because they have different contracts and EG didnt send Demuslim to Dreamhack which probably means that he gets paid to stream. Players get different contracts depeding on what the team wants from them. (source Kespa players interview, Idras real talk)
If i worked for EG....I would try to get at least one of these players... Life , Leenock , MarineKing, Bomber, Squirtle....they are cheap and amazing players.... and they have a pretty good market value.....If they wanna expand and get a EU player (alliance?) they should go for Dimaga.....
But if you wanna go big get Jaedong (for another year) and Grubby...
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
jaedong, flash, parting ... even BISU would be a nice pick for marketing, life ? jaeh i gues, for sure it would be leenock but alot even GREAT koreans have no marketing value
Bullshit. Axiom proved you wrong. If teams wanted to use them as marketing tools they could do that but most Koreans get paid to win. EG uses their foreigners for marketing and their Koreans for winning both things give the team exposure. They could put JYP in a commercial and do some funny skit about not understanding English but thats not what they want to do..
This is borderline racist. What is your source? lol. I mean I haven't seen demu in commercials? The primary reason has nothing to do with being korean or not. It's speaking English.
Whats so racist about it? The point of the Kingston commercials is not to highlight the product its to get as many hits as possible and we all saw how popular the clips of Incontrol trolling Koreans were. Also Korean players stream way less than foreigners (only ForGG streams constantly) because they have different contracts and EG didnt send Demuslim to Dreamhack which probably means that he gets paid to stream. Players get different contracts depeding on what the team wants from them. (source Kespa players interview, Idras real talk)
It's racist because you are generalizing koreans and non koreans. Groups of people don't fit into nice little boxes. Sure you can say foreign players interact with their fans more, but saying Koreans are for x and non koreans are for y is fucked up.
On May 16 2013 22:53 tadL wrote: EG Picked up Naniwa and no Tighthunter. Why should they pick up other players outside for Pro League. TL should pick up Flash! Its EG-TL and TL should do something too for the Pro League
No Tighthunter made me chuckle ^^
It's TideHunter, a hero in Dota. They just heavily disliked the hero and named the team after that.
I wrote it that way because i like the word joke with the team. I did not write it wrong because I didn't know it better. And I play dota since RoC. But thx that you explain me a dota hero and the history of the team...you just didn't get the joke right? Or you got it and some strange power in you made write this useless explanation?
Still my statement stays. EG invested more than enough into Pro League. And they created a Swedish Team. Now Team Liquid should show some investment in my opinion. Its not just EG´s task to invest into pro League and TL just kind of leeching. Its just from my point of view: if they loose EG gets all the blame and if they win they have to share this with TL
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
jaedong, flash, parting ... even BISU would be a nice pick for marketing, life ? jaeh i gues, for sure it would be leenock but alot even GREAT koreans have no marketing value
Bullshit. Axiom proved you wrong. If teams wanted to use them as marketing tools they could do that but most Koreans get paid to win. EG uses their foreigners for marketing and their Koreans for winning both things give the team exposure. They could put JYP in a commercial and do some funny skit about not understanding English but thats not what they want to do..
This is borderline racist. What is your source? lol. I mean I haven't seen demu in commercials? The primary reason has nothing to do with being korean or not. It's speaking English.
Whats so racist about it? The point of the Kingston commercials is not to highlight the product its to get as many hits as possible and we all saw how popular the clips of Incontrol trolling Koreans were. Also Korean players stream way less than foreigners (only ForGG streams constantly) because they have different contracts and EG didnt send Demuslim to Dreamhack which probably means that he gets paid to stream. Players get different contracts depeding on what the team wants from them. (source Kespa players interview, Idras real talk)
It's racist because you are generalizing koreans and non koreans. Groups of people don't fit into nice little boxes. Sure you can say foreign players interact with their fans more, but saying Koreans are for x and non koreans are for y is fucked up.
He isn't saying that at all. He is saying that the majority of Korean players do not speak English very well and that makes it difficult to communicate with the non-korean audience. This should not be a huge shocker to people.
Guess what else is true: Incontrol, Grubby and Naniwa have limited marketability to the Korean audience too. Why? Because they do not speak Korean very well and have a hard time communicating with the Korean audience.
This isn't rocket science or some sort of racist argument. In marketing, they try to use people who speak the same language as the audience they are marketing too.
I find it weird to read a post from a Teamliquid reporter on EG's internal affairs...
Besides that, this post is entirely speculative, and doesn't make for a good discussion. I can speculate plenty of players to be on EG, which is more likely neither of us have any idea and we will just have to wait and see..
Also, it isn't news that Kespa contracts end in august - we knew that already. And just because the time seems to allign nicely with EG's supposedly larger budget (I'm sure you have no clue about EG's actual budget plans), it is more likely for a korean team to pick up the Kespa players, or that they might get their contracts renewed/extended.
It is indeed interesting, and i'm excited to find out. But i can't find sense in creating a thread about this - especially when the thread is made by someone from Teamliquid staff
I think it would be cool if they picked up some unexpectated players. There are so many lesser known players out there with skills that could compete with the top dogs. Though it seems like Parting is the obvious choice.
I feel that Startale won't part with Life easily. They realized they made a huge mistake letting Parting and Squirtle leave. Startale should demand a large transfer fee. EG will definately need to upgrade their lineup across the board depending on HuK's performance this summer. Perhaps the $ could be put into a European and Korean gaming house to attract talent. Lets hope they are able to keep coach Park after this season of SPL too. I wouldn't be shocked that near the conclusion of Season 1 and 2 finals you see top NA and EU players joining EG from inferior teams.
On May 17 2013 01:05 AnomalySC2 wrote: I think it would be cool if they picked up some unexpectated players. There are so many lesser known players out there with skills that could compete with the top dogs. Though it seems like Parting is the obvious choice.
You forgot that EG's way is to pick up the most popular players because they are an advertising company. That is why they bought Stephano when he was most popular, same thing with Thorzain and HuK. EG is there to hold Monster cans into webcams.
Honestly I'd be cool with any of the listed pickups. I'm still hoping for a foreign run team to do well in a damn PL ;_; A lot of people will say it taints the players they knew and loved- and to that I say quit being so romantic. It's a business, shit happens.
On May 17 2013 01:00 MagnuMizer wrote: I find it weird to read a post from a Teamliquid reporter on EG's internal affairs...
Besides that, this post is entirely speculative, and doesn't make for a good discussion. I can speculate plenty of players to be on EG, which is more likely neither of us have any idea and we will just have to wait and see..
Also, it isn't news that Kespa contracts end in august - we knew that already. And just because the time seems to allign nicely with EG's supposedly larger budget (I'm sure you have no clue about EG's actual budget plans), it is more likely for a korean team to pick up the Kespa players, or that they might get their contracts renewed/extended.
It is indeed interesting, and i'm excited to find out. But i can't find sense in creating a thread about this - especially when the thread is made by someone from Teamliquid staff
TL is a Progaming News/Community Site. Why can they not post speculation about it? Waxangel is not a member of TLPro, so there is no conflict of interest.
On May 17 2013 01:00 MagnuMizer wrote: I find it weird to read a post from a Teamliquid reporter on EG's internal affairs...
Besides that, this post is entirely speculative, and doesn't make for a good discussion. I can speculate plenty of players to be on EG, which is more likely neither of us have any idea and we will just have to wait and see..
Also, it isn't news that Kespa contracts end in august - we knew that already. And just because the time seems to allign nicely with EG's supposedly larger budget (I'm sure you have no clue about EG's actual budget plans), it is more likely for a korean team to pick up the Kespa players, or that they might get their contracts renewed/extended.
It is indeed interesting, and i'm excited to find out. But i can't find sense in creating a thread about this - especially when the thread is made by someone from Teamliquid staff
You must not read many articles about...anything at all.
On May 17 2013 01:05 AnomalySC2 wrote: I think it would be cool if they picked up some unexpectated players. There are so many lesser known players out there with skills that could compete with the top dogs. Though it seems like Parting is the obvious choice.
You forgot that EG's way is to pick up the most popular players because they are an advertising company. That is why they bought Stephano when he was most popular, same thing with Thorzain and HuK. EG is there to hold Monster cans into webcams.
Yes I know, that's why I said I think it would be cool if they did grab up an unexpectated player
On May 17 2013 01:24 Beyond Magic wrote: i wonder why EG hasn't already hired dimaga, the guy is a blast, one of the best zergs on EU. guess they have kinda too many zergs.
He doesn't have the same fanbase as the people they usually recruit, and if they recruit for just skill, they go for a Korean. Apparently Dimaga doesn't come cheap at all either.
On May 17 2013 01:24 Beyond Magic wrote: i wonder why EG hasn't already hired dimaga, the guy is a blast, one of the best zergs on EU. guess they have kinda too many zergs.
He doesn't have the same fanbase as the people they usually recruit, and if they recruit for just skill, they go for a Korean. Apparently Dimaga doesn't come cheap at all either.
he's an awkward mix of small fanbase (but fiercely dedicated) and high skill/high demand. if he was like suppy and relatively unknown, he would be a no-brainer. same can be said for if he had a huge fanbase- a la Idra or Huk.
I always wondered what would happen if Flash/Jaedong were on the same team. I think they'd either push each other so hard in competition that no one could touch them, or one would lose his confidence and become only a shadow of his former self.
As cool as Life would be, I'd rather JD stay ace zerg. Get him a 'toss to practice against instead.
They'll probably pick up a couple of random scrubs along the lines of Lee Young Ho. Jung Myung Hoon, Kim Taek Yong and Song Byung Goo. And proceed to destroy Starcraft stardom!
On May 17 2013 02:05 danl9rm wrote: I always wondered what would happen if Flash/Jaedong were on the same team. I think they'd either push each other so hard in competition that no one could touch them, or one would lose his confidence and become only a shadow of his former self.
As cool as Life would be, I'd rather JD stay ace zerg. Get him a 'toss to practice against instead.
This isn't BW -.-
When JD and Flash somehow manage to play a 30-50 minute epic TvZ every other time they play. I'll admit that SC2 is as consistant in terms of skill as BW
Also a 75% winrate from Flash that he achived (2009 to 2012) and 70% over his entire will also help. About 80% if you exclude Bisu, Fantasy, Stork and JD himself.
On May 17 2013 01:05 AnomalySC2 wrote: I think it would be cool if they picked up some unexpectated players. There are so many lesser known players out there with skills that could compete with the top dogs. Though it seems like Parting is the obvious choice.
You forgot that EG's way is to pick up the most popular players because they are an advertising company. That is why they bought Stephano when he was most popular, same thing with Thorzain and HuK. EG is there to hold Monster cans into webcams.
I mean marketability can be a factor in their pickups but saying it's the only thing that matters isn't really fair when they pick up players like Oz, Revival and Alive.
As has been mentioned, one big x-factor is how money is distributed throughout the entire EG organization - if money allocated for Starcraft always stays within that division. For example, while I don't think their World of Warcraft team is doing much these days, their Dota 2 squad is on an upswing, and just hired a new player in fact (the one he replaced is now a coach). So EG's Starcraft division might not reap the entire benefits of Idra and Stephano leaving.
Granted, they'll still have a lot of money and they'll be looking for marketable stars to replace those two in particular. From Kespa, Parting and Flash won't come cheap and they both seem very loyal to their team. Innovation, Soulkey, ZerO, or some CJ players might be cheaper (if the rumors of the sponsor company having problems are true) but I don't know how marketable they are, besides maybe Innovation just because he's so damn good. Besides, Kespa might make life difficult for EG if they want to "poach" a Kespa superstar, particularly one that's integral to his team.
For that reason I think eSF will be easier pickings. Probably not any Startale players since I think they're still wary from Parting and Squirtle leaving, although they have an absolutely gigantic roster and might need to make cuts. An IM,FXO, or MVP star could be possible, and in particular EGMVP, EGNestea, EGDRG would make a gigantic splash, and maybe the first two could be lured away since they're no longer competing in Korea. I don't think it would be a NSHS player (or the whole NSHS team) since they aren't really marketable at all.
Among foreigners today the pickings are slim for what they are looking for - EG already has most of the heavy hitters. In AM, there's really only Scarlett left, who will be taking a break soon. It's a little harder to evaluate EU for me since I'm American, but looking at who's left in WCS, it seems to me only TLO, Sase, and the Duran brothers have the star power EG wants. (Grubby does too but there's already an ugly history between him and EG)
Here are the three options I think are most likely: A Prime star, or even the whole Prime team - popular players (what EG's looking for), weak team (maybe some players are discontent), team has uncertain financial situation (makes them cheaper to pick up). A Chinese star (or two) - If EG wants to particularly expand their appeal in that direction, would also get publicity as first Western team to sign a Chinese player (I think?), might be appealing for one of the Chinese who is playing in WCS AM to have a teamhouse in the US An underrated Korean - something like what Liquid did with HerO - either Coach Park or one of EG's Korean squad knows/is friends with a young Korean talent who is incredibly talented but needs more exposure/personal training to break out.
Could also of course be some combination of the above.
On May 16 2013 13:49 Chairman Ray wrote: Who says they're only gonna pick up a single player?
#EGRolster2013
hypothetically they could swallow flash's reported $250~300k contract if they don't renew Jaedong on top of stephano retiring, etc, but that rest of the team would be too expensive
I would be suprised to hear Flash's salary to be even in that ballpark.
On another note, EG should get a good talent scout like Nazgul and use that money to get talent from the deep player pool of Korea. The good thing about Koreans is that even relative unknowns can have lots of talent and they come cheap.
On May 17 2013 00:07 Shellshock1122 wrote: EG should buy Seeker from FXO for their new translator/terran. EGSeeKeRC
;;
Tell them they have to pay you one million dollars.
On May 16 2013 19:21 Fleshcut wrote: I'm very bored by the korean players, no matter how good their results are and EG has always been the team with the most personality on it. ... Puma as the only korean with somewhat of a personality are the reason why I know EG so well. yadda yadda blah blah blah.
I almost stopped right there. Cannot.. tell.. if... serious. ._. You might want to change your logo because it sounds like you have EG syndrome. Terrible terrible diease. :V
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
jaedong, flash, parting ... even BISU would be a nice pick for marketing, life ? jaeh i gues, for sure it would be leenock but alot even GREAT koreans have no marketing value
That would fit the bill of doing no work when there is already a lot of content on PartinG. There's all sorts of things you can use for ads when it comes to him. Marketing players really isn't that hard. It just takes time to churn that content and there are a lot of teams out there that just don't like taking the time to do such things. Then you have the guinea pigs who do it for you!
On May 17 2013 02:52 SpurvL wrote: A Starcraft League apparently:
On May 17 2013 02:05 danl9rm wrote: I always wondered what would happen if Flash/Jaedong were on the same team. I think they'd either push each other so hard in competition that no one could touch them, or one would lose his confidence and become only a shadow of his former self.
As cool as Life would be, I'd rather JD stay ace zerg. Get him a 'toss to practice against instead.
This isn't BW -.-
When JD and Flash somehow manage to play a 30-50 minute epic TvZ every other time they play. I'll admit that SC2 is as consistant in terms of skill as BW
Also a 75% winrate from Flash that he achived (2009 to 2012) and 70% over his entire will also help. About 80% if you exclude Bisu, Fantasy, Stork and JD himself.
Or it's not the game, but just that Flash and especially JD are not as good in SC2 (yet). I know, it takes a little bit of effort to look past the almost religious pedestal that BW (and Flash) gets put on.
On May 17 2013 02:05 danl9rm wrote: I always wondered what would happen if Flash/Jaedong were on the same team. I think they'd either push each other so hard in competition that no one could touch them, or one would lose his confidence and become only a shadow of his former self.
As cool as Life would be, I'd rather JD stay ace zerg. Get him a 'toss to practice against instead.
This isn't BW -.-
When JD and Flash somehow manage to play a 30-50 minute epic TvZ every other time they play. I'll admit that SC2 is as consistant in terms of skill as BW
Also a 75% winrate from Flash that he achived (2009 to 2012) and 70% over his entire will also help. About 80% if you exclude Bisu, Fantasy, Stork and JD himself.
Or it's not the game, but just that Flash and especially JD are not as good in SC2 (yet). I know, it takes a little bit of effort to look past the almost religious pedestal that BW (and Flash) gets put on.
They swapped out alot of the mechanical skills required for BW and replaced it with the need to read your opponent and counter it. I know that you needed "starsense" in BW as well, but I think they upped that aspect of the game far more for SC2. They're different games. Besides, Flash and Jaedong both seem to be doing quite well in SC2 atm, I'm sure they will keep getting better as time goes on.
On May 17 2013 01:24 Beyond Magic wrote: i wonder why EG hasn't already hired dimaga, the guy is a blast, one of the best zergs on EU. guess they have kinda too many zergs.
Apparently Dimaga doesn't come cheap at all either.
Doubt they'd ever get Flash on a point of principle... Flash and Jaedong are rivals almost inherently and I think Flash would just not go there because of this.
On May 17 2013 02:05 danl9rm wrote: I always wondered what would happen if Flash/Jaedong were on the same team. I think they'd either push each other so hard in competition that no one could touch them, or one would lose his confidence and become only a shadow of his former self.
As cool as Life would be, I'd rather JD stay ace zerg. Get him a 'toss to practice against instead.
This isn't BW -.-
When JD and Flash somehow manage to play a 30-50 minute epic TvZ every other time they play. I'll admit that SC2 is as consistant in terms of skill as BW
Also a 75% winrate from Flash that he achived (2009 to 2012) and 70% over his entire will also help. About 80% if you exclude Bisu, Fantasy, Stork and JD himself.
While I, along with everyone else, am overjoyed at every new instance of "This isn't BW," I fail to grasp the reason it was uttered here. But, thanks.
On May 16 2013 17:57 blade55555 wrote: They are going to finally start adding in completely new players and soon we shall see players you have never heard of join EG as up and comers!
On May 17 2013 01:00 MagnuMizer wrote: I find it weird to read a post from a Teamliquid reporter on EG's internal affairs...
Besides that, this post is entirely speculative, and doesn't make for a good discussion. I can speculate plenty of players to be on EG, which is more likely neither of us have any idea and we will just have to wait and see..
Also, it isn't news that Kespa contracts end in august - we knew that already. And just because the time seems to allign nicely with EG's supposedly larger budget (I'm sure you have no clue about EG's actual budget plans), it is more likely for a korean team to pick up the Kespa players, or that they might get their contracts renewed/extended.
It is indeed interesting, and i'm excited to find out. But i can't find sense in creating a thread about this - especially when the thread is made by someone from Teamliquid staff
You must not read many articles about...anything at all.
I've read many, some that are more thread worthy than this still being closed. But whatever, no need to discuss that, that would be OT nvm my post...
On May 17 2013 03:19 Zenbrez wrote: Did Puma retire?
They released him awhile ago now
Yes I know, you didn't answer my question. He got booted, then a word has never been spoken about his career.
We didn't hear anything from him since then, he didn't get picked up yet. So, this could mean that he either is a) in negotiations and nothing has been finalized yet, b) he is looking for a team, but no team is interested in him right now or c) he is retired and didn't announce it (often, Koreans who retire just disappear and don't make a statement about it).
My personal guess would be b), leading to c) in a few months.
I would love to see EG pick up a Chinese player like XiGua. They're pretty popular within China but have little to no international exposure, it would boost the EG brand a huge amount, and raise international awareness.
On May 17 2013 04:06 Larkin wrote: I would love to see EG pick up a Chinese player like XiGua. They're pretty popular within China but have little to no international exposure, it would boost the EG brand a huge amount, and raise international awareness.
I really like that idea. They probably would be relatively cheap, would provide good value as they are very good, and it would help a scene that really could use some help. Great idea!
On May 17 2013 04:06 Larkin wrote: I would love to see EG pick up a Chinese player like XiGua. They're pretty popular within China but have little to no international exposure, it would boost the EG brand a huge amount, and raise international awareness.
I really like that idea. They probably would be relatively cheap, would provide good value as they are very good, and it would help a scene that really could use some help. Great idea!
On May 17 2013 04:06 Larkin wrote: I would love to see EG pick up a Chinese player like XiGua. They're pretty popular within China but have little to no international exposure, it would boost the EG brand a huge amount, and raise international awareness.
I really like that idea. They probably would be relatively cheap, would provide good value as they are very good, and it would help a scene that really could use some help. Great idea!
You're making me blush.
To be honest, Macsed would probably be a better fit for EG than Xigua. Macsed has a lot more cheeky charm and he streams a fair bit, whilst Xigua is more serious. Macsed would probably be the kind of personality that would suit EG.
On May 17 2013 04:06 Larkin wrote: I would love to see EG pick up a Chinese player like XiGua. They're pretty popular within China but have little to no international exposure, it would boost the EG brand a huge amount, and raise international awareness.
I really like that idea. They probably would be relatively cheap, would provide good value as they are very good, and it would help a scene that really could use some help. Great idea!
You're making me blush.
To be honest, Macsed would probably be a better fit for EG than Xigua. Macsed has a lot more cheeky charm and he streams a fair bit, whilst Xigua is more serious. Macsed would probably be the kind of personality that would suit EG.
you have to also bear in mind that China (im no expert) has some interesting laws/other barriers to entry, might be difficult for EG to actually obtain a player there.
Also, gotta think about whether their sponsors actually want exposure in china, or if theyd prefer the money being spent somewhere else.
I dont want flash or parting or any good korean to join EG, because I feel like the Kespa system is what will make true champions. The kespa teams seem, to me anyways, way more serious about becoming the absolute best. Compared to some of the kespa teams, EG looks like a bunch of casuals, largely due to the fact that the practice regiment of kespa teams is just way better. I am not saying players like flash or parting couldnt become great players in EG, I AM saying that players like flash or parting will never be as great as if they couldve become had they stayed in a kespa team.
The thing with Lucifron tho is that it seems like you'd have to get the moreno duran package of Lucifron, VortiX, and Ryo together, it would be weird if the brothers split up for money -_-;
On May 17 2013 08:18 Waxangel wrote: The thing with Lucifron tho is that it seems like you'd have to get the moreno duran package of Lucifron, VortiX, and Ryo together, it would be weird if the brothers split up for money -_-;
They've turned down a lot of good offers from top teams coz of this, but hey, the whole Spanish Armada is pretty damn awesome.
On May 17 2013 08:18 Waxangel wrote: The thing with Lucifron tho is that it seems like you'd have to get the moreno duran package of Lucifron, VortiX, and Ryo together, it would be weird if the brothers split up for money -_-;
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
He's an angry egotistical person who genuinely shits on everyone else. They don't need another IdrA that nobody can understand.
gee that's pretty strong haha
Yeah I never got that out of PartinG, where is that reaction coming from?
It's part of his act. In 2011 he was quiet and well mannered. He commented on how he thought that he had the skill but needed to be more entertaining to get more fans. I think he mentioned wanting to be as populat as MC and Huk.
Then he gradually started to act overly confident, telling the crowd that he was better than his opponents so he would beat them easily etc. He acts very cocky now but I think it is all for the cameras.
Please don't let good players like Life, Parting, Flash or Innovation join this crap team.
I didn't call Parting a traitor when he left Startale to join SKT, but if he joins EG, of all teams, I think I'd puke and root for his opponent every single time.
On May 16 2013 21:38 jdsowa wrote: Is there really money to be made with a roster of Koreans?
If they pick up players with actual fucking personality like Parting there could be.
don't confuse marketability with personality
How is a player like Parting not marketable?
???
Also, the two things are very much inter connected, I'm a bit confused by your comment.
He's an angry egotistical person who genuinely shits on everyone else. They don't need another IdrA that nobody can understand.
gee that's pretty strong haha
Yeah I never got that out of PartinG, where is that reaction coming from?
It's part of his act. In 2011 he was quiet and well mannered. He commented on how he thought that he had the skill but needed to be more entertaining to get more fans. I think he mentioned wanting to be as populat as MC and Huk.
Then he gradually started to act overly confident, telling the crowd that he was better than his opponents so he would beat them easily etc. He acts very cocky now but I think it is all for the cameras.
If anyone actually bothered to watch him, you'd know it's all for shits and giggles. If you think his smack talk is actually serious, you are very stupid. He's even smiling in a very friendly manner at his opponent when he's doing the trash talk, and his opponent is always smiling back. Parting does very fun ceremonies- ceremonies can always be seen as BM no matter what, but hey, isn't that what you spectators want? Personality?
Parting is a great player who has NOTHING to do with IdrA. He does smack talk for fun and to hype up the games, while having real, solid, fun to watch (protoss haters, go fuck yourselves) and powerful game play to back it all up.
I sincerely hope he stays in the korean scene and stays interesting.
On May 17 2013 08:18 Waxangel wrote: The thing with Lucifron tho is that it seems like you'd have to get the moreno duran package of Lucifron, VortiX, and Ryo together, it would be weird if the brothers split up for money -_-;
On May 17 2013 08:18 Waxangel wrote: The thing with Lucifron tho is that it seems like you'd have to get the moreno duran package of Lucifron, VortiX, and Ryo together, it would be weird if the brothers split up for money -_-;
Didn't they allegedly turn down EG once already?
I seem to recall one of or both of the brothers saying EG wanted them as well
This thread exists for the sole purpose of speculation? There's no news or leads of any kind, all I can see is ESPN-style no-news news, or to create even more buzz for EG.
On May 17 2013 12:17 MountainDewJunkie wrote: This thread exists for the sole purpose of speculation? There's no news or leads of any kind, all I can see is ESPN-style no-news news, or to create even more buzz for EG.
Hey, iNcontrol is in EG and he is the boss of announcing announcements, so a thread of speculation (which could stay alive the whole 3-4 months until august) is right up his alley.
On May 17 2013 12:17 MountainDewJunkie wrote: This thread exists for the sole purpose of speculation? There's no news or leads of any kind, all I can see is ESPN-style no-news news, or to create even more buzz for EG.
How dare WaxAngel try and create discussion on a forum!
I would be really surprised if EG can get Life, especially considering that Redbull was willing to match the 200k salary the Kespa teams were willing to offer him when his contract ended.
On May 17 2013 13:04 BackSideAttack wrote: I would be really surprised if EG can get Life, especially considering that Redbull was willing to match the 200k salary the Kespa teams were willing to offer him when his contract ended.
Red Bull offering to match KeSPA is just speculation.
On May 16 2013 13:35 Whiplash wrote: Wouldn't be surprised if they picked of Goswser
No.. just no
I find it a bit weird how adamantly you oppose the idea. Care to explain a bit?
Isn't Goswser already on Millenium anyway? I don't think he's even been there a year yet. Feels like he just left complexity haha.
Dimaga would be a cool choice. For some reason I feel like the next player will be a foreigner over a korean player but that's just a hunch considering two foreigners left. They will definitely have money to go after almost anyone they want with both Stephano and Idra money freeing up though, those were no doubt two of the top few foreigner contracts in sc2 esports.
On May 17 2013 13:42 vesicular wrote: Kespa players are not going to leave their teams to join a foreign one. You guys are being silly.
hey jaedong
JD is a special case...I'd like to see a player like Bisu get thrown from team to team without the comfort of 12340158151 other good players + SKT team house and still be able to resist the urge to take up a lucrative offer.
I actually like EG and the players on it, but lets be honest apart from puma s run almost 2 years ago, EG koreans always seem to go downhill after joining... i hope they use the money to invest into new infrastructures (the ones that can get you wins in proleague) rather than invest into another player... I mean their line up is sick, and maybe a proper team house korean style would be a etter choice.
Really excited to see if they can lure a big name from Kespa and will be interesting if we'll see Kespa players going to WCS AM or WCS EU in the future.
On May 17 2013 20:01 partydude89 wrote: I'd love EG to pick up a top 5 player at the moment. it would be very very cool.
How about them growing up their own players for once instead of buying currently top players. They got coach Park so he should be able to spot new talent.
On May 17 2013 20:01 partydude89 wrote: I'd love EG to pick up a top 5 player at the moment. it would be very very cool.
How about them growing up their own players for once instead of buying currently top players. They got coach Park so he should be able to spot new talent.
why couldn't they do both? if they got a really good player, their is a very good chance the team atmosphere would change for the better, and if players like JYP, Alive, or Oz had a really good player to train with, i'm sure that they would improve fast too.
On May 17 2013 22:37 kurosu_ wrote: How likely that EG gets someone in Prime? MKP or Creator currently are probably worth more through their fanbase than their current results.
Of course its always a possibility, but i was under the impression that they were probably going to go to kespa teams. would be interesting if it happened though!
Wax what about a a liquid post? They've arguably freed up a good deal of cash and team spots. Not trying to convert this to a liquid thread but would love to see a similar thread about them.
On May 17 2013 23:09 KingG wrote: Wax what about a a liquid post? They've arguably freed up a good deal of cash and team spots. Not trying to convert this to a liquid thread but would love to see a similar thread about them.
They almost exclusively try to pick up underrated players and try and grow them up. so it would probably be wrong to say they are picking up parting or life, even if they had the cash to do so.
On May 17 2013 23:09 KingG wrote: Wax what about a a liquid post? They've arguably freed up a good deal of cash and team spots. Not trying to convert this to a liquid thread but would love to see a similar thread about them.
They almost exclusively try to pick up underrated players and try and grow them up. so it would probably be wrong to say they are picking up parting or life, even if they had the cash to do so.
Liquid.Life would be the ultimate ID for an alcoholic though
I'd say your analysis is right but conclusions are wrong Waxangel.
They have a businesmodel. If a foreigner goes away chances its highly likely a foreigner will replace him, or they'd have to reevaluate there whole businessmodel which seems unlikely because it gave them big sponsorships in the past!
When stephano, idra leave, your best best is that they will want a foreign lineup that consists of 2 terrans, 2 zergs and 2 toss that are all highrollers in the current WCS premier. Basicly any foreigners (young and not terran) that are still in WCS championship premiere will do!
Huk --> The question is does he have a big fanbase (its important sponsorshipwise i.e. ROI).
Jeadong --> it depends if EGTL continiues with proleague doubleteam. If so, chances are they will sign a good player who is over the top but loved in US and EU. The topplayer doesnt have to win them every game, just win them the hearts of as many sc2 fans possible. I believe MKP would be your best bet.
Ofcourse i dont know who is a free agent, but the above seems likely to me.
I would prefer EG started picking up some more NA talent (Suppy was a good start) and really established a base of talented NA players. I think they're down to four now? Huk, Machine, Incontrol and Suppy, where Suppy was recently acquired and Incontrol is arguably more of a personality than player atm.
On May 17 2013 23:09 KingG wrote: Wax what about a a liquid post? They've arguably freed up a good deal of cash and team spots. Not trying to convert this to a liquid thread but would love to see a similar thread about them.
They almost exclusively try to pick up underrated players and try and grow them up. so it would probably be wrong to say they are picking up parting or life, even if they had the cash to do so.
Liquid.Life would be the ultimate ID for an alcoholic though
On May 17 2013 23:09 KingG wrote: Wax what about a a liquid post? They've arguably freed up a good deal of cash and team spots. Not trying to convert this to a liquid thread but would love to see a similar thread about them.
They almost exclusively try to pick up underrated players and try and grow them up. so it would probably be wrong to say they are picking up parting or life, even if they had the cash to do so.
Wasn't suggesting life or anyone else as a pickup (though liquid life would be great) but with the departure of sea, haypro, jinro and nony and with Sheth's hiatus liquid is primed for some pickups of their own this year. at least another terran
On May 17 2013 23:09 KingG wrote: Wax what about a a liquid post? They've arguably freed up a good deal of cash and team spots. Not trying to convert this to a liquid thread but would love to see a similar thread about them.
They almost exclusively try to pick up underrated players and try and grow them up. so it would probably be wrong to say they are picking up parting or life, even if they had the cash to do so.
Liquid.Life would be the ultimate ID for an alcoholic though
Honestly losing Stephano and IdrA is a pretty big blow to the foreign scene and EG. No one else has their fan base and marketing value. This industry is pretty much built on popular, marketable players and personalities. EG can't replace IdrA and Stephano. They have objectively lost some marketing value.
On May 18 2013 00:09 Doodsmack wrote: Honestly losing Stephano and IdrA is a pretty big blow to the foreign scene and EG. No one else has their fan base and marketing value. This industry is pretty much built on popular, marketable players and personalities. EG can't replace IdrA and Stephano. They have objectively lost some marketing value.
Doesnt have to be.
Viewers Stephano before and in EG. Because it could well be EG gives them the circumstances to get way more viewers then when there on other teams.
On May 17 2013 23:09 KingG wrote: Wax what about a a liquid post? They've arguably freed up a good deal of cash and team spots. Not trying to convert this to a liquid thread but would love to see a similar thread about them.
They almost exclusively try to pick up underrated players and try and grow them up. so it would probably be wrong to say they are picking up parting or life, even if they had the cash to do so.
Wasn't suggesting life or anyone else as a pickup (though liquid life would be great) but with the departure of sea, haypro, jinro and nony and with Sheth's hiatus liquid is primed for some pickups of their own this year. at least another terran
but you see, EG has a nack for picking up really high profile players. so its easier for Wax to look at, lets say, the top 5 players with expiring contracts, then to try and look up the tons upon tons of upcoming players, and try to say when/if they will join liquid. EG also just got a lot of cash to give out to other players with Stephano, Idra, and HuK. Liquid has had that money from their players for a while now, and hasn't made a move. Also note that im pretty sure that Jinro and Nony weren't doing to great at the time of their departure, so i don't think that their salary is comparable to idra's or Stephano's salaries.
On May 17 2013 02:05 danl9rm wrote: I always wondered what would happen if Flash/Jaedong were on the same team. I think they'd either push each other so hard in competition that no one could touch them, or one would lose his confidence and become only a shadow of his former self.
As cool as Life would be, I'd rather JD stay ace zerg. Get him a 'toss to practice against instead.
This isn't BW -.-
When JD and Flash somehow manage to play a 30-50 minute epic TvZ every other time they play. I'll admit that SC2 is as consistant in terms of skill as BW
Also a 75% winrate from Flash that he achived (2009 to 2012) and 70% over his entire will also help. About 80% if you exclude Bisu, Fantasy, Stork and JD himself.
While I, along with everyone else, am overjoyed at every new instance of "This isn't BW," I fail to grasp the reason it was uttered here. But, thanks.
Because the JD v Flash rivalry doesn't exist anymore?
Alex discussed in the last EGTL appearance of proleague that WCS has changed everything, and showed very little interest in continued proleague performance.
This is coupled with the struggles of NSH, MVP, Prime, STX, Woongjin, and Team 8. I'm really confused as to the current situation of sponsorships in Korea. Someone should do a write up so we can discuss the health of the Korean scene; I think it's fairly anemic at present.
On May 18 2013 17:15 Virid wrote: Alex discussed in the last EGTL appearance of proleague that WCS has changed everything, and showed very little interest in continued proleague performance.
This is coupled with the struggles of NSH, MVP, Prime, STX, Woongjin, and Team 8. I'm really confused as to the current situation of sponsorships in Korea. Someone should do a write up so we can discuss the health of the Korean scene; I think it's fairly anemic at present.
Wouldn't be happy if Life went there But yes, It's an interesting phase for EG. Thorzain will probably retire soon as well.
On May 18 2013 17:15 Virid wrote:
This is coupled with the struggles of NSH, MVP, Prime, STX, Woongjin, and Team 8. I'm really confused as to the current situation of sponsorships in Korea. Someone should do a write up so we can discuss the health of the Korean scene; I think it's fairly anemic at present.
Is that really true? I know team 8 isn't well off, but wasn't aware the other two were struggling. I know very little about KESPA teams.
In the case of Liquid I could see them pick up Krass. He was one of the three training partners for TLO´s second groupstage (he mentioned the others were Lucifron and Alive) and TLO talks highly about his attitude towards the game (the last time TLO praised a non-TL, non-superstar player in the public, it was Snute). Krass would certainly fit into the profile of both being mannered / not being on the public radar, while having plenty of talent. Fr TL I feel it makes more sense to bolster their foreigner squad: with the WCS the EU-scene is receiving plenty of attention, whereas in KR it makes only sense to invest into players if you can provide them a teamhouse environment.
On May 18 2013 18:18 AxionSteel wrote: Is that really true? I know team 8 isn't well off, but wasn't aware the other two were struggling. I know very little about KESPA teams.
On May 18 2013 18:18 AxionSteel wrote: Wouldn't be happy if Life went there But yes, It's an interesting phase for EG. Thorzain will probably retire soon as well.
This is coupled with the struggles of NSH, MVP, Prime, STX, Woongjin, and Team 8. I'm really confused as to the current situation of sponsorships in Korea. Someone should do a write up so we can discuss the health of the Korean scene; I think it's fairly anemic at present.
Is that really true? I know team 8 isn't well off, but wasn't aware the other two were struggling. I know very little about KESPA teams.
Why would Thorzain retire pretty soon? He hasn't expressed any such interest, and you can still compete and study at the same time unless you're doing something like medicine, engineering or law or some other soul-sucking degree of the sort.
As regards Woongjin and STX, it is their parent companies that aren't doing well at all. in fact they haven't even tried to invest in LoL, and considering how huge LoL in Korea is, it is worrying that a team of the sort doesn't try to do so (albeit Samsung Khan don't have a team either). Woongjin and STX invest a lot of money in their eSport teams, so you could assume that getting rid of the team would be one of the first cost cutting measures.
There's still more than enough teams in Korea, with the GSTL teams. It doesn't make much sense to be that barrier between the KeSPA and eSF teams now. If EG-TL, Team 8, Woongjin and STX disband after this season, they will be easily replaced with StarTale, IM, MVP and FXO, since all of those teams can compete with the KeSPA teams.
But yeah, I don't think EG-TL has a future in proleague especially with WCS and EG's new (possible) team league.
-He does not get any results, his new contract will be terrible, he did esport to get money for school, because it was the better alternative to the military.
I highly doubt EG will pick up another korean. Faceless Puma, no good as soon as he stopped getting results? Of course there is Jaedong, who is the exception. Other exceptional Koreans, with a huge foreigner following are Flash and Bisu, neither plan to leave their team I feel.
Beeing NA based I think it is more likely that Dimaga is going to be picked up by alliance, or liquid? Dat Ukrainian Smile... On the other hand he is a total badass, without all the negativity a Greg brought.
Honestly, Here is my Idea: Anyone saw the ret to korea or nony to korea series, that Artosis did? What if, what if, we had Artosis to korea? Of course he already lives there, but he says himself, he still wants to be the best player, he plans on taking on Code A qualifiers again. Of course he has a family and needs a salary, but that is nothing EG could not provide, + the content would be invalueable, he is already a great personality, and this is a dream that could be sold. Maybe they sign him for 1 year, and have a lot of content focusing on him trying to break through like Old Boy Nal'Ra. He could take a one year break from casting, and even if he fails miserably at contests and does not qualify, the new experiences will make him even more valuable as a caster.
-He does not get any results, his new contract will be terrible, he did esport to get money for school, because it was the better alternative to the military.
I highly doubt EG will pick up another korean. Faceless Puma, no good as soon as he stopped getting results? Of course there is Jaedong, who is the exception. Other exceptional Koreans, with a huge foreigner following are Flash and Bisu, neither plan to leave their team I feel.
Beeing NA based I think it is more likely that Dimaga is going to be picked up by alliance, or liquid? Dat Ukrainian Smile... On the other hand he is a total badass, without all the negativity a Greg brought.
Honestly, Here is my Idea: Anyone saw the ret to korea or nony to korea series, that Artosis did? What if, what if, we had Artosis to korea? Of course he already lives there, but he says himself, he still wants to be the best player, he plans on taking on Code A qualifiers again. Of course he has a family and needs a salary, but that is nothing EG could not provide, + the content would be invalueable, he is already a great personality, and this is a dream that could be sold. Maybe they sign him for 1 year, and have a lot of content focusing on him trying to break through like Old Boy Nal'Ra. He could take a one year break from casting, and even if he fails miserably at contests and does not qualify, the new experiences will make him even more valuable as a caster.
Well, you heard it here first: EG.Artosis
This is hilarious.
Equating Artosis' and Nal_ra's situations are ridiculous, as Nal_Ra was actually good at the game he tried to come back in.
I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable, she could be the foreigner face of the team with Demuslim, and she might even stick around in Korean for proleague as well.
On May 18 2013 19:48 negativedge wrote: I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable, she could be the foreigner face of the team with Demuslim, and she might even stick around in Korean for proleague as well.
I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable
Scarlett. She's marketable
She's marketable
marketable
Really? Have you seen a single interview with her?
It's not hard to imagine that many of the top-tier foreigners actually have received offers from EG but declined, probably due to not wanting to market themselves as aggressively as EG wants them to. LucifroN/VortiX is probably the best examples of this.
On May 18 2013 19:48 negativedge wrote: I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable, she could be the foreigner face of the team with Demuslim, and she might even stick around in Korean for proleague as well.
Really? Have you seen a single interview with her?
It's not hard to imagine that many of the top-tier foreigners actually have received offers from EG but declined, probably due to not wanting to market themselves as aggressively as EG wants them to. LucifroN/VortiX is probably the best examples of this.
Is this true? If so, then respect to both of them.
On May 18 2013 19:48 negativedge wrote: I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable, she could be the foreigner face of the team with Demuslim, and she might even stick around in Korean for proleague as well.
I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable
Scarlett. She's marketable
She's marketable
marketable
Really? Have you seen a single interview with her?
It's not hard to imagine that many of the top-tier foreigners actually have received offers from EG but declined, probably due to not wanting to market themselves as aggressively as EG wants them to. LucifroN/VortiX is probably the best examples of this.
Eh, I don't think that oral skills are that important in this case. Just have a cool picture with "Best Female in the World", "North American" and such and they're good to sell some merch.
On May 18 2013 19:48 negativedge wrote: I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable, she could be the foreigner face of the team with Demuslim, and she might even stick around in Korean for proleague as well.
I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable
Scarlett. She's marketable
She's marketable
marketable
Really? Have you seen a single interview with her?
It's not hard to imagine that many of the top-tier foreigners actually have received offers from EG but declined, probably due to not wanting to market themselves as aggressively as EG wants them to. LucifroN/VortiX is probably the best examples of this.
Eh, I don't think that oral skills are that important in this case. Just have a cool picture with "Best Female in the World", "North American" and such and they're good to sell some merch.
Judging from the amount of PR she has done for Acer, I'd say that she wouldn't be comfortable to do it for EG either.
MKP would be a decent signing. Back when Morrow was a free agent I was waiting for them to pick him up, but he seems to have lost quite a bit of value since then. Still I think he's very talented, when he puts in the hours.
On May 18 2013 19:48 negativedge wrote: I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable, she could be the foreigner face of the team with Demuslim, and she might even stick around in Korean for proleague as well.
I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable
Scarlett. She's marketable
She's marketable
marketable
Really? Have you seen a single interview with her?
It's not hard to imagine that many of the top-tier foreigners actually have received offers from EG but declined, probably due to not wanting to market themselves as aggressively as EG wants them to. LucifroN/VortiX is probably the best examples of this.
Is this true? If so, then respect to both of them.
I don't know whether EG approached LucifroN/VortiX, but quite a few organisations definitely have, including mousesports.
I know EG had talks with Illusion when he was in Quantic, but he also refused coz he wanted to stay on with them...funnily enough they disbanded a couple of months later. Poor Illusion
On May 18 2013 19:03 HaRuHi wrote: What if Huk retires?
-He does not get any results, his new contract will be terrible, he did esport to get money for school, because it was the better alternative to the military.
I highly doubt EG will pick up another korean. Faceless Puma, no good as soon as he stopped getting results? Of course there is Jaedong, who is the exception. Other exceptional Koreans, with a huge foreigner following are Flash and Bisu, neither plan to leave their team I feel.
Beeing NA based I think it is more likely that Dimaga is going to be picked up by alliance, or liquid? Dat Ukrainian Smile... On the other hand he is a total badass, without all the negativity a Greg brought.
Honestly, Here is my Idea: Anyone saw the ret to korea or nony to korea series, that Artosis did? What if, what if, we had Artosis to korea? Of course he already lives there, but he says himself, he still wants to be the best player, he plans on taking on Code A qualifiers again. Of course he has a family and needs a salary, but that is nothing EG could not provide, + the content would be invalueable, he is already a great personality, and this is a dream that could be sold. Maybe they sign him for 1 year, and have a lot of content focusing on him trying to break through like Old Boy Nal'Ra. He could take a one year break from casting, and even if he fails miserably at contests and does not qualify, the new experiences will make him even more valuable as a caster.
On May 18 2013 19:48 negativedge wrote: I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable, she could be the foreigner face of the team with Demuslim, and she might even stick around in Korean for proleague as well.
I could see them go all out for Scarlett. She's marketable
Scarlett. She's marketable
She's marketable
marketable
Really? Have you seen a single interview with her?
It's not hard to imagine that many of the top-tier foreigners actually have received offers from EG but declined, probably due to not wanting to market themselves as aggressively as EG wants them to. LucifroN/VortiX is probably the best examples of this.
Is this true? If so, then respect to both of them.
I don't know whether EG approached LucifroN/VortiX, but quite a few organisations definitely have, including mousesports.
I know EG had talks with Illusion when he was in Quantic, but he also refused coz he wanted to stay on with them...funnily enough they disbanded a couple of months later. Poor Illusion
IIRC, both brothers were approached by EG, but they were looking for a team that could offer flexibility with their studies and EG didn't satisfy their needs in that regard.
Instead of using that money to acquire another star player, they might wanna use that money to keep their existing players from stagnating, ie EG curse that has basically ruinated every player they've acquired.
On May 19 2013 02:55 greenknight999 wrote: EG could buy out the Chinese scene for those kind of sums. Just do it.
You know the guy who owns invictus gaming ( ig ) in china is the son of a multi millionaire ?
he bought the dota2 team for 6 milion dolars
" The acquisition of Chinese eSport organization had according to Chinese media sites a price of $6.2 million USD. For the son of one of China's richest men, it was reported to only be the first of many maneuvers to come for the Chinese scene. " quote from gosugamers . there are rumors that say after iG won second international , that guy gave them another milion $ to players for the achievement
on topic :
EG definently needs new players . but i think more then EG , starcraft in general needs them . since we see same players on and on .
On May 19 2013 08:49 fishjie wrote: Instead of using that money to acquire another star player, they might wanna use that money to keep their existing players from stagnating, ie EG curse that has basically ruinated every player they've acquired.
It is the mass streaming that kills 'm. To much commercials and exposure, less real training.
On May 19 2013 09:28 The_Templar wrote: I think EG should buy some Prime players later this year.
EGMK
I cannot imagine Marineking's name without the P (or Prime) as part of it. MKP just sounds.. correct, lol. If he joined another team, lets just say EG, I can envision lots of slipups from everybody saying EG MKP, lol
On May 19 2013 09:51 xgtx wrote: yea lets buy this overrated player who didnt win anything since years
The problem is EG doesnt invest in talent. It buys the best, market/brand him/her.. they slowly become mediocre and dont win as much.... somewhere, there model isnt good for perfomance... but marketingwise MK would be good choice and he does have the talent to win hes shown that.
EG will have a very hard time getting any ace from a Kespa team. Youre way over your heads if you think Innovation or Flash will join EG Flash even specifically said he didnt want to join a foreign team. I see is more likely they pick up players from Prime to bolster their terran line and a mid-tier player or two from Kespa
On May 19 2013 10:05 LighT. wrote: EG will have a very hard time getting any ace from a Kespa team. Youre way over your heads if you think Innovation or Flash will join EG Flash even specifically said he didnt want to join a foreign team. I see is more likely they pick up players from Prime to bolster their terran line and a mid-tier player or two from Kespa
They should pick up Maru if you they knew anything
I wouldn't be surprised if Dimaga signed. As for in august who I think they need for pro league to actually have a chance I was talking about this on reddit yesterday. If I were doing the signings and had free reign my shortlist to sign is Jjakji, Jim, Life, Leenock, Parting, sOs, Flash, Innovation and Symbol. If I was being honest 2 of those you could pick up for next to nothing but might not go to EG and that is Jjakji and Jim both of which I think are stars that deserve a great team. The rest are players I can't see coming out of their teams ever because they are just too important.
EG's recent signings were disappointing with Revival, Oz and Alive even though some actually helped a little. So I definitely think they need a bit of an overhaul and clear out. Or maybe just a resurrection of the poorer players under coach park in the off season.
Well... if i would pick based on there businessmodel and agilugac top100 ranking it would be :
1 Zerg Foreign instead of idra --> Sen, Snute, Scarlet 1 Protos/Zerg Foreign instead of Stephano --> Welmu, Nerchio, TLO 1 Zerg Korean instead of JD --> Choose your pick
There gonna buy TLO and snute from teamliquid?!?!? :shocker:
I think theognis would be a pretty solid pickup for a relatively small investment. He's beginning to remind me of suppy (underrated NA player with a good attitude and love for the game) before he was picked up by EG, especially with the amazing match he just played against jaedong.
On May 19 2013 11:12 govie wrote: Well... if i would pick based on there businessmodel and agilugac top100 ranking it would be :
1 Zerg Foreign instead of idra --> Sen, Snute, Scarlet 1 Protos/Zerg Foreign instead of Stephano --> Welmu, Nerchio, TLO 1 Zerg Korean instead of JD --> Choose your pick
There gonna buy TLO and snute from teamliquid?!?!? :shocker:
Korean zerg = Zenio???
Maybe they'll buy the entire Team Liquid roster and call it EG-TL! They could even enter proleague with that lineup!
I think it might be very probable that they use the money saved to get more out of their other games and their infrastructure. After all, they've got a new studio/HQ in SF and SC2 is falling behind other games in exposure and importance. SC2 is still growing, but not as fast as some other games...
It all depends on what will happen with some financially weak teams in August/September. If they're smart, they'll keep coach Park and let him pick which players they can get in Prime/NSH/8th/STX. Park will make the difference when recruiting, just because of his reputation, as EG money will not suffice.
Some possible choices : Inno, some Prime terrans (MarineKing would be good PR, but Maru a better pick in terms of potential), dear, trap, jaehoon, ty, cure...
But we don't even know if they want to carry on in SPL.
On May 19 2013 11:12 govie wrote: Well... if i would pick based on there businessmodel and agilugac top100 ranking it would be :
1 Zerg Foreign instead of idra --> Sen, Snute, Scarlet 1 Protos/Zerg Foreign instead of Stephano --> Welmu, Nerchio, TLO 1 Zerg Korean instead of JD --> Choose your pick
There gonna buy TLO and snute from teamliquid?!?!? :shocker:
Korean zerg = Zenio???
Maybe they'll buy the entire Team Liquid roster and call it EG-TL! They could even enter proleague with that lineup!
I have the feeling they wouldn't do too well if they did that
On May 20 2013 23:24 a3den wrote: It all depends on what will happen with some financially weak teams in August/September. If they're smart, they'll keep coach Park and let him pick which players they can get in Prime/NSH/8th/STX. Park will make the difference when recruiting, just because of his reputation, as EG money will not suffice.
Some possible choices : Inno, some Prime terrans (MarineKing would be good PR, but Maru a better pick in terms of potential), dear, trap, jaehoon, ty, cure...
But we don't even know if they want to carry on in SPL.
I would assume the want to stay in SPL. I mean both historically and even now that league is SUCH a big deal because it means that you have a chance to get games in on the best of the best as well as just allow your players to build a name for themselves. Although I like the esf I think in the long run kespa is going to win out with the large title sponsors on most of those teams. I think that the smart strategy is to stay with kespa because is going to be the most relevant korean team league and organization in SC2 for a while.
I'm not sure that having lost IdrA and Stephano, EG's first decision should be to pick up more Korean stars. Even amidst wretched results, EG has always attracted people because of accessible and marketable stars.
On May 20 2013 23:24 a3den wrote: It all depends on what will happen with some financially weak teams in August/September. If they're smart, they'll keep coach Park and let him pick which players they can get in Prime/NSH/8th/STX. Park will make the difference when recruiting, just because of his reputation, as EG money will not suffice.
Some possible choices : Inno, some Prime terrans (MarineKing would be good PR, but Maru a better pick in terms of potential), dear, trap, jaehoon, ty, cure...
But we don't even know if they want to carry on in SPL.
I would assume the want to stay in SPL. I mean both historically and even now that league is SUCH a big deal because it means that you have a chance to get games in on the best of the best as well as just allow your players to build a name for themselves. Although I like the esf I think in the long run kespa is going to win out with the large title sponsors on most of those teams. I think that the smart strategy is to stay with kespa because is going to be the most relevant korean team league and organization in SC2 for a while.
I think WCS is a bigger concern than SPL in the community, especially the western community to whom EG report. Proleague gets 10-15k viewers on Twitch, WCS EU got 60k on Friday. I saw somewhere that Alex Garfield himself said that with the new WCS system being all year round, it changed things radically, and it is now the main tournament. SPL might still be the most competitive, but its far from being the most popular or important.
I think EG will be diverting its attention to the foreign scene (which may include getting Koreans to the US). In Korea, they're like the 13th best team. In the foreigner scene, they're the best.
They should recruit STX.Bear and Scarlett. Then, they would have the bear and the maiden fair
Jokes aside, I had worries that Thorzain might retire after this summer since he did express desire to go back to school eventually, but it seems that he has already re-signed his contract so he may be staying around a bit longer.
I hope some juicy rumors eventually start materializing so that we have something more tangible to speculate on.
On May 20 2013 23:24 a3den wrote: It all depends on what will happen with some financially weak teams in August/September. If they're smart, they'll keep coach Park and let him pick which players they can get in Prime/NSH/8th/STX. Park will make the difference when recruiting, just because of his reputation, as EG money will not suffice.
Some possible choices : Inno, some Prime terrans (MarineKing would be good PR, but Maru a better pick in terms of potential), dear, trap, jaehoon, ty, cure...
But we don't even know if they want to carry on in SPL.
I would assume the want to stay in SPL. I mean both historically and even now that league is SUCH a big deal because it means that you have a chance to get games in on the best of the best as well as just allow your players to build a name for themselves. Although I like the esf I think in the long run kespa is going to win out with the large title sponsors on most of those teams. I think that the smart strategy is to stay with kespa because is going to be the most relevant korean team league and organization in SC2 for a while.
I think WCS is a bigger concern than SPL in the community, especially the western community to whom EG report. Proleague gets 10-15k viewers on Twitch, WCS EU got 60k on Friday. I saw somewhere that Alex Garfield himself said that with the new WCS system being all year round, it changed things radically, and it is now the main tournament. SPL might still be the most competitive, but its far from being the most popular or important.
I think EG will be diverting its attention to the foreign scene (which may include getting Koreans to the US). In Korea, they're like the 13th best team. In the foreigner scene, they're the best.
Even with WCS being a big deal, the fact that there is no region lock means that their players in korea can participate from afar (most of them already are) and then get flown in if they get far enough to go to the live bits. I also think that EG wants to focus more on the korean scene because not only have just about all of their recent pickups been korean, but they've gone to the trouble of getting coach park and building a teamhouse type environment there to compete in SPL. That'd be a hell of a lot of investment to leave behind.
Also why they may not be the best team in Korea they are either #1 or #2 (TL being the other one) foreign team in the scene. The Korean scene is becoming increasingly isolated from the rest of the scene (0 kespa players in WCS EU and AM, I doubt thats a coincidence) and as kespa becomes more dominant it will only get more so. By focusing on Korea EG can gain the support of foreign fans watching korean leagues and avoid getting locked out by focusing too much on the foreign scene.
I think that they're already a powerhouse in the NA and to some extent the EU scene, and perhaps they'll pick up a couple more players to continue that legacy, but I don;t think that they really need to do a whole lot to continue that presence given that they have suppy, thorzain, demu, and huk, not to mention a supporting cast in the background. Also a team with money like EG has is happy to fly in their korean superstars to compete in the foreign tournaments if they feel like, so by picking up some more solid korean talent they can have their cake and eat it too.
Lastly there's the sort of lack of people that are free agents that they could pick up. Most of the top tier foreign players atm are European and are likely committed to at least staying in europe where EG has almost no infrastructure or support. There are a few up and coming NA players but given their track record of picking up established talent (for the most part) I'm not really sure they would go for any of those players. Unless they decide to poach a well known NA player like scarlett (who is living in KR atm) or somebody off of root I feel like they're probably going to go for a mid to high tier kespa player who has a bit of name recognition and can go to bat for them in proleague.
just my 2 cents.
edit: I just noticed you're from malta. I just visited there and its awesome
i just think EG made a mistake with idra, the whole reason we actually know about them is the way they market themselves with the characters they sign. their players are good, this is ok but they just dont stand up on the world scene as frequently as the korean teams do. i mean i follow and watch starcraft, i follow certain players but i dont really follow any of the teams but EG i can relate to and have bought some of their sponsored products .. . .now they just dont have anyone (ok maybe demuslim incontrol and machine are great streamers with their analytical style streams) but they just dont have that talk appeal any more (with idra and stephano) leaving/let go.
If EG seriously want to get a #1 winning team then this would be ok, but half the reason this is probably the most successful team is totally through the charatcers they pick up. Lets face it, noone they have picked up is bad, they are all GM for gods sake, by definition they have to be good dont they? they are in the top 200 of their region?? anyway. Just sayin, with massive fan favourites like huk/idra/step[hano going . .what really have they to talk about in terms of results? My point is. Get the Grack Back!
On May 21 2013 04:23 StatixEx wrote: i just think EG made a mistake with idra, the whole reason we actually know about them is the way they market themselves with the characters they sign. their players are good, this is ok but they just dont stand up on the world scene as frequently as the korean teams do. i mean i follow and watch starcraft, i follow certain players but i dont really follow any of the teams but EG i can relate to and have bought some of their sponsored products .. . .now they just dont have anyone (ok maybe demuslim incontrol and machine are great streamers with their analytical style streams) but they just dont have that talk appeal any more (with idra and stephano) leaving/let go.
If EG seriously want to get a #1 winning team then this would be ok, but half the reason this is probably the most successful team is totally through the charatcers they pick up. Lets face it, noone they have picked up is bad, they are all GM for gods sake, by definition they have to be good dont they? they are in the top 200 of their region?? anyway. Just sayin, with massive fan favourites like huk/idra/step[hano going . .what really have they to talk about in terms of results? My point is. Get the Grack Back!
I'm a big fan of IdrA but I also think that it was probably the right thing to do given the situation. Besides, even if you like IdrA and want to follow him, he said he's done playing competitive SC2 so even current events notwithstanding, you won't see him back on EG.
I feel like of all the players available, flash would make relatively little sense. EG already has the "established BW champ" covered by JD. I think if they pick up anybody its going to be some up and coming NA talent since they seem to be aiming to build their team a bit (see Xenocider).
On June 21 2013 07:42 GenesisX wrote: I feel like they will absorb a "failing" (I mean not doing too well) team and have a monster roster for next season of Proleague. Maybe Prime or NSH?
That would be an absurdly sick move but I can totally see that happen. But rather Prime than NSH whose players don't seem neither marketable (unlike MKP and at a lower level Creator) nor competitive anymore unfortunately.
On June 21 2013 07:42 GenesisX wrote: I feel like they will absorb a "failing" (I mean not doing too well) team and have a monster roster for next season of Proleague. Maybe Prime or NSH?
I think this is also unlikely. EG already has a relatively established korean roster. They don't really need to add a large number of (mostly unmarketable) players to their roster, which is what they would have to do to absorb even a smaller team like NSH or Prime. I expect them to either poach a name from that team with decent results (Maru, jjakji, etc) or try to get some up and coming NA talent.
EG is a business, and business usually do incremental, small additions. Anyone expecting more than a couple more average players and one big name(not Flash big), is probably expecting too much.
On June 21 2013 08:10 ShakkaFL wrote: why would people want any korean to join EG, pretty much anyone who joins EG starts having awful performance
The EG Koreans are doing better than ever because of their focused practice environment, no idea what you're talking about. In the past few weeks Revival took 2nd in WCS AM and Jaedong took 2nd in Dreamhack. They're also on a 4 match winning streak in Proleague.
On June 21 2013 08:10 ShakkaFL wrote: why would people want any korean to join EG, pretty much anyone who joins EG starts having awful performance
The EG Koreans are doing better than ever because of their focused practice environment, no idea what you're talking about. In the past few weeks Revival took 2nd in WCS AM and Jaedong took 2nd in Dreamhack. They're also on a 4 match winning streak in Proleague.
JD had the potential to be the best zerg in HOTS, yet he's not... I would say he's having awful performance for being the legend that is him.
On June 21 2013 08:10 ShakkaFL wrote: why would people want any korean to join EG, pretty much anyone who joins EG starts having awful performance
The EG Koreans are doing better than ever because of their focused practice environment, no idea what you're talking about. In the past few weeks Revival took 2nd in WCS AM and Jaedong took 2nd in Dreamhack. They're also on a 4 match winning streak in Proleague.
JD had the potential to be the best zerg in HOTS, yet he's not... I would say he's having awful performance for being the legend that is him.
That's not EG's fault, JD was having the same " slump " relative to his peak on Team 8 and on Oz.
Is there some new information out about this team? This thread is a month old, and since then they have picked up xenocider. Why is this being mildly necroed?
Why do people say The Alliance is a EG division? was it everconfirmed? as far as i know, it was just a myth because razer was the main sponsor, and also razer sponsors EG, but nothing more. Was it comfirmed? Because if not, people should stop making assumptions, but if it was confirmed...can somebody show me where?
On June 21 2013 08:22 Straxis wrote: Why do people say The Alliance is a EG division? was it everconfirmed? as far as i know, it was just a myth because razer was the main sponsor, and also razer sponsors EG, but nothing more. Was it comfirmed? Because if not, people should stop making assumptions, but if it was confirmed...can somebody show me where?
It's never been confirmed by any EG or Alliance staff(the same people) if that's what you're asking, but yes they're both operated by the EG management. It's the worst kept not-really-a-secret secret in esports. If you go digging you'll find enough info to make it obvious.
On June 21 2013 08:22 Straxis wrote: Why do people say The Alliance is a EG division? was it everconfirmed? as far as i know, it was just a myth because razer was the main sponsor, and also razer sponsors EG, but nothing more. Was it comfirmed? Because if not, people should stop making assumptions, but if it was confirmed...can somebody show me where?
They are also sponsored by Monster and Razer. The only 2 teams in the scene to be sponsored by Monster. Both of their sites are named .gg 2 of very few sites to do that, and also their website layout is pretty much exactly the same. Both sites are run by the same host.
On June 21 2013 08:22 Straxis wrote: Why do people say The Alliance is a EG division? was it everconfirmed? as far as i know, it was just a myth because razer was the main sponsor, and also razer sponsors EG, but nothing more. Was it comfirmed? Because if not, people should stop making assumptions, but if it was confirmed...can somebody show me where?
I think the big indicator is the .gg domain, operated on the same servers that run all of EG's stuff.
On June 21 2013 08:10 ShakkaFL wrote: why would people want any korean to join EG, pretty much anyone who joins EG starts having awful performance
The EG Koreans are doing better than ever because of their focused practice environment, no idea what you're talking about. In the past few weeks Revival took 2nd in WCS AM and Jaedong took 2nd in Dreamhack. They're also on a 4 match winning streak in Proleague.
JD had the potential to be the best zerg in HOTS, yet he's not... I would say he's having awful performance for being the legend that is him.
True he is a legend in BW but he was in a slump in BW when the mixed proleague started.. he is now clearly playing the best starcraft2 of his career! Had strong performances in foreign events and he clearly has top pro-league ZvT, one of the best ZvZ in the world and a vulgar korean pro ZvP..
I don't know what the hell you are talking about, Jaedong is improving imo
Needs to make his own ZvP style and figure out the match up
I would aim at Life IMMEDIATELY and Creator if he is cheap (might not have done good recently but has an amazing potential). Life is just too good not to compete in Proleague and would make an amazing couple with JD.
My guesses. I don't think they'll go for another big-name Korean acquisition.
EG.mOOnGLaDe.RC - Moonglade knows he has the potential to compete on the world circuit and I can imagine he's quite sick of the lackluster Australian scene by now. If EG threw money at him like a stripper then sent him to the EGTL compound in Seoul, he could be a Korean-stomping machine in no-time.
EG.PiG.RC -- He beat some top name foreigners and mid-tier Koreans in the group stage of Dreamhack plus he has the drive to be one of the best players. He would easily be EG material.
EG.MajOr.RC - With Team 8 now discarding him, EG could easily pick him up although he is overwhelmingly likely to appear back on ROOT Gaming's roster.
EG.CombatEX.RC - Nah, I kid, I kid. He's still pretty good to have gone from shitbad to taking a game from PartinG in the Ro8 of WCG 2012 in about five months.
On June 21 2013 10:12 Clbull wrote: My guesses. I don't think they'll go for another big-name Korean acquisition.
EG.mOOnGLaDe.RC - Moonglade knows he has the potential to compete on the world circuit and I can imagine he's quite sick of the lackluster Australian scene by now. If EG threw money at him like a stripper then sent him to the EGTL compound in Seoul, he could be a Korean-stomping machine in no-time.
EG.PiG.RC -- He beat some top name foreigners and mid-tier Koreans in the group stage of Dreamhack plus he has the drive to be one of the best players. He would easily be EG material.
Buy out Team Prime... only take ByuN, Creator, MKP, Maru. Prime has the terran players to have a solid lineup for pro league adding an additional 3 terrans, 1 protoss with their existing strong zerg lineup.
On June 21 2013 08:22 Straxis wrote: Why do people say The Alliance is a EG division? was it everconfirmed? as far as i know, it was just a myth because razer was the main sponsor, and also razer sponsors EG, but nothing more. Was it comfirmed? Because if not, people should stop making assumptions, but if it was confirmed...can somebody show me where?
I think the big indicator is the .gg domain, operated on the same servers that run all of EG's stuff.
Destiny's website is destiny.gg... So it's not for sure just based on that
Right now i think there are a couple of players i would like to see EG pick up and EG potentially get rid of (I wont speak on the latter, because I used to doubt players like OZ and now he is kicking ass in pro league)
i think TL needs to pick up another solid foreigner player, at least one, to replace some of the presence of Idra and Stephano. I would prefer a zerg player and someone with a solid style/quick mind. The first players that come to mind are an obvious Goswer and moonglade. I would like to see EG also pick up a player from the chinese scene (there are a sea of good options - this would be a great move for EG in terms of player value (players like XY, Xigua, Jim and Toodming are all top players and have huge fan followings already and would explode with an accessible stream/tournament appearances in more western events/korean events)
Good luck to EG.This team deserves the recent success it has had in proleague along with teamliquid and is now one of my favorite teams to watch.
mOOnGLaDe might happen? I don't know, depends if he was willing or if they were willing to throw money at him. Would have to be a fair bit i think as he is pretty happy with Nv/in an Aus team
this is all under the assumption that EG would be willing to not just pocket the money and be content with their position as the most talked about sc2 team in the world. i don't think a primetime kespa player is what they're interested in pursuing since winning doesn't give them the best return on their investment but drama does.
On June 21 2013 08:22 Straxis wrote: Why do people say The Alliance is a EG division? was it everconfirmed? as far as i know, it was just a myth because razer was the main sponsor, and also razer sponsors EG, but nothing more. Was it comfirmed? Because if not, people should stop making assumptions, but if it was confirmed...can somebody show me where?
I think the big indicator is the .gg domain, operated on the same servers that run all of EG's stuff.
On June 21 2013 08:22 Straxis wrote: Why do people say The Alliance is a EG division? was it everconfirmed? as far as i know, it was just a myth because razer was the main sponsor, and also razer sponsors EG, but nothing more. Was it comfirmed? Because if not, people should stop making assumptions, but if it was confirmed...can somebody show me where?
I think the big indicator is the .gg domain, operated on the same servers that run all of EG's stuff.
Alliance is the name of a long established supermarket in Guernsey that sells a wide variety of foods at super low prices and is generally awesome, but is basically an actual warehouse filled with food, like most cash and carry stores in the UK. It is a real business in the location the .gg tld relates to and has been around for years.
THEAlliance.gg is the website for some new EG spinoff.
On May 16 2013 13:07 Waxangel wrote: The rules did change to be more reasonable as a result of the Jaedong controversy, but don't think for a second that the idea of an ace level player leaving wouldn't make them come up with enough red tape to package an elephant.
On June 21 2013 08:22 Straxis wrote: Why do people say The Alliance is a EG division? was it everconfirmed? as far as i know, it was just a myth because razer was the main sponsor, and also razer sponsors EG, but nothing more. Was it comfirmed? Because if not, people should stop making assumptions, but if it was confirmed...can somebody show me where?
Not by EG themselves, but kennigit confirmed it on live on three and blasted slasher for dancing around the bush and just not saying alliance is EG when everyone knows they are. Slasher pretty much admitted it then too.
On June 21 2013 08:10 ShakkaFL wrote: why would people want any korean to join EG, pretty much anyone who joins EG starts having awful performance
The EG Koreans are doing better than ever because of their focused practice environment, no idea what you're talking about. In the past few weeks Revival took 2nd in WCS AM and Jaedong took 2nd in Dreamhack. They're also on a 4 match winning streak in Proleague.
JD had the potential to be the best zerg in HOTS, yet he's not... I would say he's having awful performance for being the legend that is him.
Who knew making semi finals of dreamhack (1 win away from finals) and finals of dreamhack (1 win away from winning the whole thing) makes him god awful.
So far he has played in 3 foreign tournaments, he won the kingston hyperX tournament placed top 4 at dreamhack and placed finals last dreamhack.
Seriously he's not doing bad at all. His proleague record isn't as good as it should be but that's it. He also just made premier league wcs NA which I figure if he makes it out of the ro32 he has a very, very good chance of winning once it hits the lan environment.
I mean going by this then flash must be having an awful performance too right? I bet nobody would say he's having an awful performance and all he's done is make finals of MLG and make ro16 in code S.
With many esF players getting so little exposure right now, I could see many of them dreaming of EG as a chance to play proleague and international tournaments. And who knows who will enter the drafts for next season besides T8 layoffs.
Life would be a great choice, with him being kind of like Stephano (Zerg, so talented he can pretty much thrive on his own)
On June 21 2013 08:10 ShakkaFL wrote: why would people want any korean to join EG, pretty much anyone who joins EG starts having awful performance
The EG Koreans are doing better than ever because of their focused practice environment, no idea what you're talking about. In the past few weeks Revival took 2nd in WCS AM and Jaedong took 2nd in Dreamhack. They're also on a 4 match winning streak in Proleague.
JD had the potential to be the best zerg in HOTS, yet he's not... I would say he's having awful performance for being the legend that is him.
He also just made premier league wcs NA which I figure if he makes it out of the ro32 he has a very, very good chance of winning once it hits the lan environment.
Are there any Protoss players in WCS NA? Just checking.
I think everybody overestimate life. He lose 3 times straight by kespa zerg and parting in gsl. And now he even lose to foreign player like tlo or sjow. And he is really bad at pvz and zvz. Only good at zvt(but even he lost to foreign terran) i really doubt that if life can beat any kespa protoss or zerg now
My guess is IF they have money to spend (you never know in these times) after stephano's contract ends, they'll probably just distribute the resources into another game. If they continue to spend money on sc2, they might begin cutting more players (huk, machine, thorzain, aLive, OZ, incontrol as a player) and just buy 1-2 strong korean(s) to help tighten the spl line-up.
I honestly think they need to pull out of Korea and just build up the Alliance (this doesn't mean they shouldn't recruit more koreans). Maybe it's time to just focus on the EU scene. Pulling out of Korea would save them a TON of money. The exposure they're obtaining by being in SPL isn't paying the salaries of the players on their EG portion line-up. They jumped the gun and purchased 2nd-3rd rate esf koreans as soon as they were free agents and it hasn't paid off at all. Cut them and start recruiting powerhouse terrans or pull out of Korea completely.
On June 21 2013 19:25 waitwhat wrote: My guess is IF they have money to spend (you never know in these times) after stephano's contract ends, they'll probably just distribute the resources into another game. If they continue to spend money on sc2, they might begin cutting more players (huk, machine, thorzain, aLive, OZ, incontrol as a player) and just buy 1-2 strong korean(s) to help tighten the spl line-up.
I honestly think they need to pull out of Korea and just build up the Alliance (this doesn't mean they shouldn't recruit more koreans). Maybe it's time to just focus on the EU scene. Pulling out of Korea would save them a TON of money. The exposure they're obtaining by being in SPL isn't paying the salaries of the players on their EG portion line-up. They jumped the gun and purchased 2nd-3rd rate esf koreans as soon as they were free agents and it hasn't paid off at all. Cut them and start recruiting powerhouse terrans or pull out of Korea completely.
inb4mads: obv keep jaedong
I'm interested as to how you know exactly how much they are getting out of their SPL exposure. Also it would be abandoning a ton of infrastructure that they have built in korea, not to mention having to acquire the same infrastructure in the EU.
Also aLive and Oz are part of the core SPL lineup, and they've been performing alright.
As for spending money on another game, they already have at least 1 dota team and a league team, maybe they could get CS or something, but I feel like they're probably happy with their diversity as is.
I'm seriously saddened by the fact that Stephano is retiring, it really sucks. To be honest, i don't see EG staying in Sc2 much longer, maybe only a couple more years. But it would be nive to see some good koreans joining EG, and have the EG members be put on a more strict practice. Then again, EG is fueled by publication
On May 16 2013 13:07 Waxangel wrote: The real question here is whether or not KeSPA will let one of their marquee guys leave. The Association did loan out Jaedong to EG last November (Korean media refers to it as a loan, though EG doesn't seem to care about disputing this discrepancy) but that was all part of a larger plan to bring in EG-TL into the Proleague, appeal to a western audience, and get some salary relief for their internally funded 8th Team.
just recently Team 8 dismissed 4 of their players, Major amongst them. If it was not months before the year-long contract of JD with EG ends, it would have hardened my suspicions of him really just being loaned and Team 8 saving up to be able to afford Jaedong once more.
On June 21 2013 23:30 nerdraging.610 wrote: I'm seriously saddened by the fact that Stephano is retiring, it really sucks. To be honest, i don't see EG staying in Sc2 much longer, maybe only a couple more years. But it would be nive to see some good koreans joining EG, and have the EG members be put on a more strict practice. Then again, EG is fueled by publication
um, what? why are we talking like its the end of wol and our numbers are falling off? EG isn't going to leave sc2
On June 30 2013 02:50 synd wrote: Kick JYP/Machine, add Inovation. And you'll have a better team
Can't get rid of Bryce. Sure he doesn't really compete, but he seems to be a really swell guy and I doubt he costs EG much anyways. And you don't want to lose the Machine vs. Food series
IF STX is really dying. I really could see EG grabbing a few of them very quickly. I don't see why they would kick machine, they seem to want to have a korea squad and a NA squad. But innovation is a player too good to not make a bid for. JYP, I still could see not getting his contract renewed. He doesn't really bring the stream numbers, and I don't think he is that great in pro league.
On June 30 2013 16:23 HeeroFX wrote: IF STX is really dying. I really could see EG grabbing a few of them very quickly. I don't see why they would kick machine, they seem to want to have a korea squad and a NA squad. But innovation is a player too good to not make a bid for. JYP, I still could see not getting his contract renewed. He doesn't really bring the stream numbers, and I don't think he is that great in pro league.
Please back up your statements with facts. as of round 5, he is 13-14 in proleague. Thats a 48 percent win rate, which may not seem great, but is actually very good for proleague. out of 87 players, he's 24. which isn't bad at all.
If Stephano retires, I think they should focus on having a top Korean squad with 2-3 potential tournament winners. Their foreigner division has been pretty much on the decline: Thorzain isn`t exactly in his "king of the north-shape", Demuslim needs to change his approach to the game (getting out of his comfort-zone as the nice streamer) and Huk seems unable to adapt to the game. So their best shot would be to rebuild their foreigner division around Suppy and hungry na-talents and purchasing at least two additional top Koreans (Symbol, Violet, Supernova).
I don't think any KeSPA player would want to join EG. Jaedong did it because Team 8 isn't exactly a stable team but the top players of the other KeSPA teams aren't going anywhere.
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PartinG. OSEN reported (English translation) that his current contract with SKT is only until September, the end of the Proleague season. OSEN reports a salary of around $65,000 for the nine months, which should be easy for EG to cover with money coming off the books.
Flash. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem too likely that he'll be free any time soon. The last time he was supposedly going to be a "free agent," it was revealed that KT Rolster already gave him an extension the previous year, in anticipation of free agency. At his current pace, it's hard to see KT Rolster ever letting him out of their grasp.
Life is the only player they'd need that IdrA/Stephano/HuK/whatever money to acquire. Rumors are that Red Bull is very keen on keeping their logo on their little superstar, so it may take quite the bid to pry him away. Of the foreigners, 
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