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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On May 14 2013 10:09 tshi wrote: lol. That's very true. I dont like to fly over spores either. So can people spore crawler rush an overlord? lol This will probably open up some low level cheese ideas. I'm gonna make sure my overlords aren't over creep lol. | ||
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Redrot
United States446 Posts
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JacobNX01a
United States65 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On May 14 2013 10:26 Redrot wrote: As a zergie, I think this is okay, but I feel there are better options, such as deprojectilizing fungal. Good lord no. | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
On May 14 2013 09:44 urashimakt wrote: I foresee a lot of Brood Lord + Sporecrawler play in ZvZ's future. Abduct Broods off from spores and closer to corruptors? | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On May 14 2013 10:01 Zenbrez wrote: I've gotta say - this hasn't changed my behaviour in the matchup so far. It's not like I used to fight near spores anyway, so now I still don't. The idea isn't that it drastically changes the match-up in one direction or another. The idea is that by having a really strong spore vs mutalisk it opens up the possibility of infestor play since you will have better defense vs mutas. This tiny change in theory means that if both players are playing muta vs muta, it will become possible for infestors, which in turn allows for hydra/roach/ling ground play, which makes the match-up inch towards not being only muta vs muta. They wanted to avoid massive changes to any other core units that would adversely affect the other match-ups, such as messing with hydras or infestors. It's a good small step towards diversifyng ZvZ more. | ||
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Rance
Canada18 Posts
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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iyasq8
113 Posts
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kamicom
United States180 Posts
Didn't David Kim say it was unanimously and blatantly agreed upon by the entire balance team that WM is too strong? Also, Afterburners are probably the most agreed thing in hots that needs to be nerfed. TvT looks so stupid when all they do is camp their mineral lines and send out hellbat/rine/wm drops on each others' mineral lines in hopes of wiping out half the scvs. Yo blizzard, I'd rather have overlords have a land-mode like vikings where overlords turn into giant busses that tank damage like a moving bunker... THAT's preferable over this spore thing... | ||
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PhOeniX[MinD]
361 Posts
On May 14 2013 10:24 mishimaBeef wrote: If a newb looked at reaver drops in sc1 they'd probably think it was OP also. if they saw Jian Fei using reavers maybe lol! | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
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BigRedDog
461 Posts
ZvZ feels like it is a tower defense game. I have to build spores (sometimes two around hte spire) in order to protect my base  . The increase in damage to spores will encourage me to do so even more.Though, I think this is a good move as it might give us options to open up with infestors, hydras instead of pure mutas. | ||
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On May 14 2013 10:10 Garoodah wrote: I dont see this change being a large impact honestly. 52 DPS is no joke. Why do you think that? If you mean from the perspective of the game in general then this is primarily aimed at just ZvZ as the game is balanced according to statistics at all levels of play despite the cries of some dedicated whiners who aren't used to having to micro. As far as ZvZ changing I think smartly placed spores can make Mutalisks very cost inefficient now. | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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SOWxDISCORD
Brazil15 Posts
Still think that hellbat drop, widow mines and oracles need a fix. 1 unit alone shouldn't have the power to be a game changer as those ones do. | ||
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vRadiatioNv
United States139 Posts
On May 14 2013 10:52 Emzeeshady wrote: Do you really think a small buff to Hydras would make the other matchups imbalanced. Hydra/Roach is useless vs Terran and still pretty bad vs Protoss. You said yourself Zerg struggles vs Protoss air lategame. A small Hydra buff would certainly help solve the Muta problem and the Protoss air problem as well as make more compositions viable in ZvT. IDK, sounds like a win/win/win to me. Hydras are actually decent in ZvP, even a small buff to their DPS could push them over the edge of OP. Some people have suggested buffs to their AA attack only but then that might hurt Collossi too much. There is no easy answer for fixing Hydras, sadly. Perhaps a slight speed buff but idk. As for the Spore changes, I agree with Blade that this will most likely encourage mass SH in ZvZ which could be awful. I also feel this change may not help that much vs Mutas. Probably the biggest advantage Mutas give a player is map control and considering the fact that Spores can only burrow on creep I'm not sure how effective this change will be at preventing Mutas from getting that map control and, most importantly, denying bases. If you don't want to build Mutas you will have to find a good way to get creep to your next expo (Ovies won't work since Mutas will just camp the expo and kill them) and get the Spores down. An extra Queen or two could work but I don't see what would stop the Muta player from just expanding x2 for every expo the non-Muta player takes. I am interested to see what strategies people come up with tho. | ||
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Nachtwind
Germany1130 Posts
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Partha
New Zealand163 Posts
And where the fuck are the Hellbat Nerfs? A cheap mineral sink unit that does AoE, Can be healed and is tankey. They need to fire the person who designed the Corrupter, Roach and the Hellbat | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
On May 14 2013 09:34 heyoka wrote: I'm down for anything that increases the number of viable strategies so if it makes gameplay more diverse, then good job. Anything at all that makes ling/bbling into muta not 100% likely to happen, it is the most annoying part of playing on the ladder right now. | ||
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