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EG marketing doing its job, well done.
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On May 08 2013 04:44 Diddywhop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 04:32 WeRRa wrote:On May 08 2013 04:23 Hikari wrote:
I think a fundamental problem is how the community wants to see the progamers as very hard working athletes who aim to break their upper limit for 8 hours a day and a team will provide the coaching to point out their strengths and weaknesses.
In reality such a model is not viable: progamers need to take on the task of drawing in a crowd and be part of a marketing machine to sustain the progaming model. Wrong thats the problem that foreign teams have and thiswhy have no success. You may be right. But, it depends on how you gauge success. If you're measuring the players, then yes, success is unusual for foreign teams. But, I think for this industry to mature in the western world, there needs to be more marketability. There are probably a lot of people who would be naturally gifted at SC2 and could have the discipline to compete with Koreans. The problem being is there is little in the way of motivation aside from the idea of being a pro gamer. There are few foreign pro gamers who can take care of themselves based on their career of choice. I think making pro gaming a 'safer' career option could only stand to help in the western world. Lets face it, it will never be a sure bet. But, being a pro athlete isn't a very safe bet either. There is always risk, but the risk at least has a chance of paying off in a big way as a pro athlete. In its current state, eSports have very little materials to pay off those players who are willing to make that sacrifice. EG is one of those few teams who are rumored to pay their players enough to live. I guess what I'm saying is this.. would you put school aside? career? life? to put in the hours it takes to compete with these guys with nothing more than a hope at becoming good enough to make a team like EG so you can support yourself? Thats why having more teams that can market their players and expand this industry are important, because it opens the door for players to start taking this seriously.
I don't study marketing in the slightest, but you can only go so far. What you actually need is people playing and enjoying the game (see: SC: bw in korea, dota in china)--so much that it's a cultural thing. You then have millions of people who can watch and understand the game which at the base of it is an intense game between two people.
I think World of Warcraft dwarfed anything else out there that could call itself a game. They attempted the professional scene, but it was more of a outlet for the top-most players to continue playing and live by and to extend popular strategies and beliefs with them. You certainly can't bring in people who are sworn against rts-type games and if that were the case for MMORPGs instead, who's to say i would spend the time to watch a local or international tournament?
Well, the answer is your friends, family, co-workers and in short, by word of mouth.
If the game is a good platform and has you reeling for more despite the negative feels you face in-game at times, you begin to experience a needful habit that you would otherwise not create excuses for putting yourself through.
(I'm going to go out on a limb)
Let's face it, we enjoy StarCraft because we like to watch people do better than us.
We like something like League of Legends because we enjoy doing better than others.
We continue playing because we deem it a good habit (i'm practically saying nothing with this)
and we continue watching because we're so vested/invested into.. what the scene has to offer or in some cases, who is offering what.
If i wanted to watch EG or any other team with top-dollar players i would put it on my calendar or to-do lists, otherwise i would be relying on other fans of those teams or community spotlights. We're lucky in that our community is also a tight-knit resource... a sort of hub for all activity and so we can potentially never miss a match.
I probably missed a sick curling match... many sick curling matches, and i never had the slightest clue until it struck me that i needed to think of something i normally don't watch. That's not the case with starcraft. Without TeamLiquid even, there would not be a 'foreigner' thing going on, and that's a simple fact.
So why don't we discuss teamliquid.net instead? and how it is able to 'market' so much, yet remains so under-appreciated in wealth or by words related to its success. There is suddenly so many expectations of this website to simply operate the way its going, but surprise-surprise! it's entirely community run aside from in-house staff that make it their job to provide all the tools for us in such easy and accessible ways.
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On May 08 2013 09:07 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 08:21 IdrA wrote:On May 08 2013 08:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote:
talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens.
a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition. Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does. I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams. nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA This post is like 1000% accurate on so many levels. Yes, people who hate EG and are disgusted by their disgusting behavior (disgusted) do not exist in large enough numbers to justify EG to change their model at all. It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it).
Really? What I read into that post is that Idra thinks his fans/stream watchers are a bunch of cunts but he does not care because he is making money out of them anyway. Can not say I would be too happy hearing that if I was a fan, luckily I am not that naive.
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On May 08 2013 09:14 Swift118 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 09:07 tshi wrote:On May 08 2013 08:21 IdrA wrote:On May 08 2013 08:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote:
talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens.
a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition. Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does. I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams. nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA This post is like 1000% accurate on so many levels. Yes, people who hate EG and are disgusted by their disgusting behavior (disgusted) do not exist in large enough numbers to justify EG to change their model at all. It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it). Really? What I read into that post is that Idra thinks his fans/stream watchers are a bunch of cunts but he does not care because he is making money out of them anyway. Can not say I would be too happy hearing that if I was a fan, luckily I am not that naive.
Well shit, man. We all knew that. 
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On May 08 2013 09:14 Swift118 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 09:07 tshi wrote:On May 08 2013 08:21 IdrA wrote:On May 08 2013 08:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote:
talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens.
a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition. Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does. I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams. nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA This post is like 1000% accurate on so many levels. Yes, people who hate EG and are disgusted by their disgusting behavior (disgusted) do not exist in large enough numbers to justify EG to change their model at all. It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it). Really? What I read into that post is that Idra thinks his fans/stream watchers are a bunch of cunts but he does not care because he is making money out of them anyway. Can not say I would be too happy hearing that if I was a fan, luckily I am not that naive.
The point is, it doesn't matter. That's what's so funny, IMO. It's fucked up, I guess -- but it doesn't matter. That's all I got out of that, he might think low of everyone/thing, but it doesn't matter 'cause people still watch and whatnot.
That's all I got out of it -- that it doesn't matter (to him/EG's $?)
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Nowdays I feel like Teamliquid has become like a wordpress. Everybody opens threads without directions.
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On May 08 2013 01:19 Mortal wrote:Don't think I need read further than the first line. Show nested quote +EG has the right idea when it comes to the atmosphere of a professional team. In one sense, you're correct. However, in the context of the fact that they're trying to compete in this game, you're 100% wrong. EG had favored content production and selling their players/themselves as a brand. If you're looking to generate income based upon sponsorships and such, this is a fine model. But what would someone say if the Yankees were losing every game, but still had a sick roster and sponsors? They'd probably say it didn't add up. I say "had favored" because as we know, EG moves now to San Fransisco to -allegedly- focus themselves more on practice and raising the skill of their players. Unfortunately, I expect similar results to that which the Lair in AZ produced, which was none at all in the scheme of things. I wish EG the best and I truly hope this SF move refocuses their players and resources to push their results forward; but as of now, they're a marketable brand, not a championship team.
This should have more-or-less been /thread as far as I'm concerned.
EG does a great job of marketing their players, but they do a pretty terrible job of actually making those players win things.
This creates something of a bubble where they have a lot of hype and no results, and so people still respect the brand based on the hype. I don't see that lasting forever, though.
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On May 08 2013 09:20 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 09:14 Swift118 wrote:On May 08 2013 09:07 tshi wrote:On May 08 2013 08:21 IdrA wrote:On May 08 2013 08:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote:
talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens.
a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition. Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does. I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams. nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA This post is like 1000% accurate on so many levels. Yes, people who hate EG and are disgusted by their disgusting behavior (disgusted) do not exist in large enough numbers to justify EG to change their model at all. It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it). Really? What I read into that post is that Idra thinks his fans/stream watchers are a bunch of cunts but he does not care because he is making money out of them anyway. Can not say I would be too happy hearing that if I was a fan, luckily I am not that naive. The point is, it doesn't matter. That's what's so funny, IMO. It's fucked up, I guess -- but it doesn't matter. That's all I got out of that, he might think low of everyone/thing, but it doesn't matter 'cause people still watch and whatnot. That's all I got out of it -- that it doesn't matter (to him/EG's $?)
It does matter. The point is that he can treat his haters like trash and his fans like him more for it. Anyone who watches Inside the Game or has seen Idra at an event knows he does like his fans. He just has no problem shitting on his haters too.
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On May 08 2013 09:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 09:20 tshi wrote:On May 08 2013 09:14 Swift118 wrote:On May 08 2013 09:07 tshi wrote:On May 08 2013 08:21 IdrA wrote:On May 08 2013 08:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote:
talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens.
a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition. Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does. I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams. nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA This post is like 1000% accurate on so many levels. Yes, people who hate EG and are disgusted by their disgusting behavior (disgusted) do not exist in large enough numbers to justify EG to change their model at all. It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it). Really? What I read into that post is that Idra thinks his fans/stream watchers are a bunch of cunts but he does not care because he is making money out of them anyway. Can not say I would be too happy hearing that if I was a fan, luckily I am not that naive. The point is, it doesn't matter. That's what's so funny, IMO. It's fucked up, I guess -- but it doesn't matter. That's all I got out of that, he might think low of everyone/thing, but it doesn't matter 'cause people still watch and whatnot. That's all I got out of it -- that it doesn't matter (to him/EG's $?) It does matter. The point is that he can treat his haters like trash and his fans like him more for it. Anyone who watches Inside the Game or has seen Idra at an event knows he does like his fans. He just has no problem shitting on his haters too.
Oh all right. I just figured that, in the end, people are going to watch him and nothing thus far has changed it. I guess you're right though.
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On May 08 2013 09:36 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 09:30 Plansix wrote:On May 08 2013 09:20 tshi wrote:On May 08 2013 09:14 Swift118 wrote:On May 08 2013 09:07 tshi wrote:On May 08 2013 08:21 IdrA wrote:On May 08 2013 08:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote:
talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens.
a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition. Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does. I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams. nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA This post is like 1000% accurate on so many levels. Yes, people who hate EG and are disgusted by their disgusting behavior (disgusted) do not exist in large enough numbers to justify EG to change their model at all. It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it). Really? What I read into that post is that Idra thinks his fans/stream watchers are a bunch of cunts but he does not care because he is making money out of them anyway. Can not say I would be too happy hearing that if I was a fan, luckily I am not that naive. The point is, it doesn't matter. That's what's so funny, IMO. It's fucked up, I guess -- but it doesn't matter. That's all I got out of that, he might think low of everyone/thing, but it doesn't matter 'cause people still watch and whatnot. That's all I got out of it -- that it doesn't matter (to him/EG's $?) It does matter. The point is that he can treat his haters like trash and his fans like him more for it. Anyone who watches Inside the Game or has seen Idra at an event knows he does like his fans. He just has no problem shitting on his haters too. Oh all right. I just figured that, in the end, people are going to watch him and nothing thus far has changed it. I guess you're right though.
Howard Stern said it best: "My fans listen to me for an hour a day. The people who hate me listen for two."
Why try to win over the people who have decided to hate you, they are already watching.
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On May 08 2013 08:21 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 08:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote:
talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens.
a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition. Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does. I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams. nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome.
Funny and proves my point exactly. U should be more carefull as a progamer, because disliked players are worthless for sponsors and therefore also for teams... Fans go to streams of other players and dont bm, except on your stream... think about it! seriously!
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On May 08 2013 08:21 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 08:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote:
talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens.
a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition. Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does. I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams. nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome.
i prefer to play the real game and working something nice to playing the other game and trolling people. Everybody to his liking i guess.
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On May 08 2013 01:11 Diddywhop wrote:How is it different now than it was then? The only thing that would make sense is the obvious thing in business. They made the right decisions at the right time. Number one on that list was picking up Greg 'IdrA' Fields early on. Greg was an enormous personality (still is) early on in the game. Whether it be from his results at MLG or from his character that seemed to attract lovers and haters alike. He is big. People like to watch Greg because he was a top contender in the scene at the time. On top of it all, they never knew what they were going to get from him. Lets face it, a vast majority of people follow Greg and its not always to see him win.
For eSports to break those barriers, we need more personalities and teams like EG. We need to catch that 'WWF' persona, in a sense. You don't always watch it for the action. You watch it to see whats going to happen next. Could you imagine another team with the resources and pool of personality EG has in eSports? It could only stand to attract those viewers who've never seen SC2 before. Hell, it could even spawn a realty television series.
Reading this, I couldn't but help agree. I like to think of Idra similar as to how when Brock Lesnar signed with the UFC for his short but questionably successful MMA career.
Let's compare their backgrounds.
- Brock was a Division 1 NCAA Wrestler in his college years before going to WWE/F.
- Idra was a practice partner of CJ Entus
- Brock then made his name in WWE/F, things may diverge slightly differently here though, as Idra was a good foreigner in BW, but probably one of the actual few to adapt and partake in that heavy 12 hour per day Korean practice regimen. Even as top of the heap of pro wrestling whether a heel or face, you can look up the wear and tear these guys put their bodies through. Pro Wrestlers spend a majority of the year travelling and doing house shows, many can easily get addicted to painkillers and lead a tragic life as well. Their life wasn't easy, but they do it for the pursuit of being good entertainers.
- Brock goes into MMA, defeats Min Soo Kim, but eventually signs onto the UFC, takes on Heath Herring, then former UFC HW Champ Frank Mir (and although he loses, there was some controversy with the ref). But eventually Brock gets a title shot and becomes the UFC HW champion. During Brock's short reign, he easily becomes the biggest draw to the UFC itself where they would get around a million PPV buys. The question of Brock's legitimacy into MMA is due to his background of being a WWE wrestler, some write off or even ignore his NCAA D1 pedigree. He becomes a figure people either love or hate to watch, but he puts asses in the seats.
- Idra does well in SC2 beta as well as progresses his career with various wins. His character or persona is further galvanized as a person who can be quite BM if need be. Similar to Brock, he became a player that people either love to hate to watch as well.
At this point, Brock is more or less retired from MMA and is back to pro wrestling, I figure part time with the WWE. And recently had a feud with Triple H if I recall (I don't really keep up to date much with WWE, but HHH or Paul Levesque as his real name, is married to Stephanie McMahon - daughter of WWE Chairman of Vince McMahon, and HHH himself holds a very high position in the company too). So Brock still does pro wrestling with big names for a paycheck. Not that he needs it. But he retired mainly due to him feeling that he's probably not best in shape any more to compete at that level. His bout with Diverticulitis pretty much ensured that.
Idra though, is still going with his pro gaming career obviously, but for now it seems like his best days may be behind him. He could come back and put results again, but outside of his streaming just for ladder grinding, I don't recall seeing Idra really compete let alone place at a big event for quite awhile.
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On May 08 2013 09:53 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 01:11 Diddywhop wrote:How is it different now than it was then? The only thing that would make sense is the obvious thing in business. They made the right decisions at the right time. Number one on that list was picking up Greg 'IdrA' Fields early on. Greg was an enormous personality (still is) early on in the game. Whether it be from his results at MLG or from his character that seemed to attract lovers and haters alike. He is big. People like to watch Greg because he was a top contender in the scene at the time. On top of it all, they never knew what they were going to get from him. Lets face it, a vast majority of people follow Greg and its not always to see him win.
For eSports to break those barriers, we need more personalities and teams like EG. We need to catch that 'WWF' persona, in a sense. You don't always watch it for the action. You watch it to see whats going to happen next. Could you imagine another team with the resources and pool of personality EG has in eSports? It could only stand to attract those viewers who've never seen SC2 before. Hell, it could even spawn a realty television series. Reading this, I couldn't but help agree. I like to think of Idra similar as to how when Brock Lesnar signed with the UFC for his short but questionably successful MMA career. Let's compare their backgrounds. - Brock was a Division 1 NCAA Wrestler in his college years before going to WWE/F. - Idra was a practice partner of CJ Entus - Brock then made his name in WWE/F, things may diverge slightly differently here though, as Idra was a good foreigner in BW, but probably one of the actual few to adapt and partake in that heavy 12 hour per day Korean practice regimen. Even as top of the heap of pro wrestling whether a heel or face, you can look up the wear and tear these guys put their bodies through. Pro Wrestlers spend a majority of the year travelling and doing house shows, many can easily get addicted to painkillers and lead a tragic life as well. Their life wasn't easy, but they do it for the pursuit of being good entertainers. - Brock goes into MMA, defeats Min Soo Kim, but eventually signs onto the UFC, takes on Heath Herring, then former UFC HW Champ Frank Mir (and although he loses, there was some controversy with the ref). But eventually Brock gets a title shot and becomes the UFC HW champion. During Brock's short reign, he easily becomes the biggest draw to the UFC itself where they would get around a million PPV buys. The question of Brock's legitimacy into MMA is due to his background of being a WWE wrestler, some write off or even ignore his NCAA D1 pedigree. He becomes a figure people either love or hate to watch, but he puts asses in the seats. - Idra does well in SC2 beta as well as progresses his career with various wins. His character or persona is further galvanized as a person who can be quite BM if need be. Similar to Brock, he became a player that people either love to hate to watch as well. At this point, Brock is more or less retired from MMA and is back to pro wrestling, I figure part time with the WWE. And recently had a feud with Triple H if I recall (I don't really keep up to date much with WWE, but HHH or Paul Levesque as his real name, is married to Stephanie McMahon - daughter of WWE Chairman of Vince McMahon, and HHH himself holds a very high position in the company too). So Brock still does pro wrestling with big names for a paycheck. Not that he needs it. But he retired mainly due to him feeling that he's probably not best in shape any more to compete at that level. His bout with Diverticulitis pretty much ensured that. Idra though, is still going with his pro gaming career obviously, but for now it seems like his best days may be behind him. He could come back and put results again, but outside of his streaming just for ladder grinding, I don't recall seeing Idra really compete let alone place at a big event for quite awhile.
Anyone else find the comparison between Brock Lesnar and Idra slightly amusing?
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On May 08 2013 09:58 Swift118 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 09:53 yoshi245 wrote:On May 08 2013 01:11 Diddywhop wrote:How is it different now than it was then? The only thing that would make sense is the obvious thing in business. They made the right decisions at the right time. Number one on that list was picking up Greg 'IdrA' Fields early on. Greg was an enormous personality (still is) early on in the game. Whether it be from his results at MLG or from his character that seemed to attract lovers and haters alike. He is big. People like to watch Greg because he was a top contender in the scene at the time. On top of it all, they never knew what they were going to get from him. Lets face it, a vast majority of people follow Greg and its not always to see him win.
For eSports to break those barriers, we need more personalities and teams like EG. We need to catch that 'WWF' persona, in a sense. You don't always watch it for the action. You watch it to see whats going to happen next. Could you imagine another team with the resources and pool of personality EG has in eSports? It could only stand to attract those viewers who've never seen SC2 before. Hell, it could even spawn a realty television series. Reading this, I couldn't but help agree. I like to think of Idra similar as to how when Brock Lesnar signed with the UFC for his short but questionably successful MMA career. Let's compare their backgrounds. - Brock was a Division 1 NCAA Wrestler in his college years before going to WWE/F. - Idra was a practice partner of CJ Entus - Brock then made his name in WWE/F, things may diverge slightly differently here though, as Idra was a good foreigner in BW, but probably one of the actual few to adapt and partake in that heavy 12 hour per day Korean practice regimen. Even as top of the heap of pro wrestling whether a heel or face, you can look up the wear and tear these guys put their bodies through. Pro Wrestlers spend a majority of the year travelling and doing house shows, many can easily get addicted to painkillers and lead a tragic life as well. Their life wasn't easy, but they do it for the pursuit of being good entertainers. - Brock goes into MMA, defeats Min Soo Kim, but eventually signs onto the UFC, takes on Heath Herring, then former UFC HW Champ Frank Mir (and although he loses, there was some controversy with the ref). But eventually Brock gets a title shot and becomes the UFC HW champion. During Brock's short reign, he easily becomes the biggest draw to the UFC itself where they would get around a million PPV buys. The question of Brock's legitimacy into MMA is due to his background of being a WWE wrestler, some write off or even ignore his NCAA D1 pedigree. He becomes a figure people either love or hate to watch, but he puts asses in the seats. - Idra does well in SC2 beta as well as progresses his career with various wins. His character or persona is further galvanized as a person who can be quite BM if need be. Similar to Brock, he became a player that people either love to hate to watch as well. At this point, Brock is more or less retired from MMA and is back to pro wrestling, I figure part time with the WWE. And recently had a feud with Triple H if I recall (I don't really keep up to date much with WWE, but HHH or Paul Levesque as his real name, is married to Stephanie McMahon - daughter of WWE Chairman of Vince McMahon, and HHH himself holds a very high position in the company too). So Brock still does pro wrestling with big names for a paycheck. Not that he needs it. But he retired mainly due to him feeling that he's probably not best in shape any more to compete at that level. His bout with Diverticulitis pretty much ensured that. Idra though, is still going with his pro gaming career obviously, but for now it seems like his best days may be behind him. He could come back and put results again, but outside of his streaming just for ladder grinding, I don't recall seeing Idra really compete let alone place at a big event for quite awhile. Anyone else find the comparison between Brock Lesnar and Idra slightly amusing?
I admit I kinda made a stretch, but there's clearly some parts that make sense. And the end goal is exactly as stated. EG has a big name in Idra that people love/hate. UFC had the same with Brock, I don't think UFC has yet to beat their PPV sales amount since then when Brock was around.
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On May 08 2013 10:04 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 09:58 Swift118 wrote:On May 08 2013 09:53 yoshi245 wrote:On May 08 2013 01:11 Diddywhop wrote:How is it different now than it was then? The only thing that would make sense is the obvious thing in business. They made the right decisions at the right time. Number one on that list was picking up Greg 'IdrA' Fields early on. Greg was an enormous personality (still is) early on in the game. Whether it be from his results at MLG or from his character that seemed to attract lovers and haters alike. He is big. People like to watch Greg because he was a top contender in the scene at the time. On top of it all, they never knew what they were going to get from him. Lets face it, a vast majority of people follow Greg and its not always to see him win.
For eSports to break those barriers, we need more personalities and teams like EG. We need to catch that 'WWF' persona, in a sense. You don't always watch it for the action. You watch it to see whats going to happen next. Could you imagine another team with the resources and pool of personality EG has in eSports? It could only stand to attract those viewers who've never seen SC2 before. Hell, it could even spawn a realty television series. Reading this, I couldn't but help agree. I like to think of Idra similar as to how when Brock Lesnar signed with the UFC for his short but questionably successful MMA career. Let's compare their backgrounds. - Brock was a Division 1 NCAA Wrestler in his college years before going to WWE/F. - Idra was a practice partner of CJ Entus - Brock then made his name in WWE/F, things may diverge slightly differently here though, as Idra was a good foreigner in BW, but probably one of the actual few to adapt and partake in that heavy 12 hour per day Korean practice regimen. Even as top of the heap of pro wrestling whether a heel or face, you can look up the wear and tear these guys put their bodies through. Pro Wrestlers spend a majority of the year travelling and doing house shows, many can easily get addicted to painkillers and lead a tragic life as well. Their life wasn't easy, but they do it for the pursuit of being good entertainers. - Brock goes into MMA, defeats Min Soo Kim, but eventually signs onto the UFC, takes on Heath Herring, then former UFC HW Champ Frank Mir (and although he loses, there was some controversy with the ref). But eventually Brock gets a title shot and becomes the UFC HW champion. During Brock's short reign, he easily becomes the biggest draw to the UFC itself where they would get around a million PPV buys. The question of Brock's legitimacy into MMA is due to his background of being a WWE wrestler, some write off or even ignore his NCAA D1 pedigree. He becomes a figure people either love or hate to watch, but he puts asses in the seats. - Idra does well in SC2 beta as well as progresses his career with various wins. His character or persona is further galvanized as a person who can be quite BM if need be. Similar to Brock, he became a player that people either love to hate to watch as well. At this point, Brock is more or less retired from MMA and is back to pro wrestling, I figure part time with the WWE. And recently had a feud with Triple H if I recall (I don't really keep up to date much with WWE, but HHH or Paul Levesque as his real name, is married to Stephanie McMahon - daughter of WWE Chairman of Vince McMahon, and HHH himself holds a very high position in the company too). So Brock still does pro wrestling with big names for a paycheck. Not that he needs it. But he retired mainly due to him feeling that he's probably not best in shape any more to compete at that level. His bout with Diverticulitis pretty much ensured that. Idra though, is still going with his pro gaming career obviously, but for now it seems like his best days may be behind him. He could come back and put results again, but outside of his streaming just for ladder grinding, I don't recall seeing Idra really compete let alone place at a big event for quite awhile. Anyone else find the comparison between Brock Lesnar and Idra slightly amusing? I admit I kinda made a stretch, but there's clearly some parts that make sense. And the end goal is exactly as stated. EG has a big name in Idra that people love/hate. UFC had the same with Brock, I don't think UFC has yet to beat their PPV sales amount since then when Brock was around.
I don't know, I think your comparison comes up a little short.
...sorry.
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On May 08 2013 10:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 10:04 yoshi245 wrote:On May 08 2013 09:58 Swift118 wrote:On May 08 2013 09:53 yoshi245 wrote:On May 08 2013 01:11 Diddywhop wrote:How is it different now than it was then? The only thing that would make sense is the obvious thing in business. They made the right decisions at the right time. Number one on that list was picking up Greg 'IdrA' Fields early on. Greg was an enormous personality (still is) early on in the game. Whether it be from his results at MLG or from his character that seemed to attract lovers and haters alike. He is big. People like to watch Greg because he was a top contender in the scene at the time. On top of it all, they never knew what they were going to get from him. Lets face it, a vast majority of people follow Greg and its not always to see him win.
For eSports to break those barriers, we need more personalities and teams like EG. We need to catch that 'WWF' persona, in a sense. You don't always watch it for the action. You watch it to see whats going to happen next. Could you imagine another team with the resources and pool of personality EG has in eSports? It could only stand to attract those viewers who've never seen SC2 before. Hell, it could even spawn a realty television series. Reading this, I couldn't but help agree. I like to think of Idra similar as to how when Brock Lesnar signed with the UFC for his short but questionably successful MMA career. Let's compare their backgrounds. - Brock was a Division 1 NCAA Wrestler in his college years before going to WWE/F. - Idra was a practice partner of CJ Entus - Brock then made his name in WWE/F, things may diverge slightly differently here though, as Idra was a good foreigner in BW, but probably one of the actual few to adapt and partake in that heavy 12 hour per day Korean practice regimen. Even as top of the heap of pro wrestling whether a heel or face, you can look up the wear and tear these guys put their bodies through. Pro Wrestlers spend a majority of the year travelling and doing house shows, many can easily get addicted to painkillers and lead a tragic life as well. Their life wasn't easy, but they do it for the pursuit of being good entertainers. - Brock goes into MMA, defeats Min Soo Kim, but eventually signs onto the UFC, takes on Heath Herring, then former UFC HW Champ Frank Mir (and although he loses, there was some controversy with the ref). But eventually Brock gets a title shot and becomes the UFC HW champion. During Brock's short reign, he easily becomes the biggest draw to the UFC itself where they would get around a million PPV buys. The question of Brock's legitimacy into MMA is due to his background of being a WWE wrestler, some write off or even ignore his NCAA D1 pedigree. He becomes a figure people either love or hate to watch, but he puts asses in the seats. - Idra does well in SC2 beta as well as progresses his career with various wins. His character or persona is further galvanized as a person who can be quite BM if need be. Similar to Brock, he became a player that people either love to hate to watch as well. At this point, Brock is more or less retired from MMA and is back to pro wrestling, I figure part time with the WWE. And recently had a feud with Triple H if I recall (I don't really keep up to date much with WWE, but HHH or Paul Levesque as his real name, is married to Stephanie McMahon - daughter of WWE Chairman of Vince McMahon, and HHH himself holds a very high position in the company too). So Brock still does pro wrestling with big names for a paycheck. Not that he needs it. But he retired mainly due to him feeling that he's probably not best in shape any more to compete at that level. His bout with Diverticulitis pretty much ensured that. Idra though, is still going with his pro gaming career obviously, but for now it seems like his best days may be behind him. He could come back and put results again, but outside of his streaming just for ladder grinding, I don't recall seeing Idra really compete let alone place at a big event for quite awhile. Anyone else find the comparison between Brock Lesnar and Idra slightly amusing? I admit I kinda made a stretch, but there's clearly some parts that make sense. And the end goal is exactly as stated. EG has a big name in Idra that people love/hate. UFC had the same with Brock, I don't think UFC has yet to beat their PPV sales amount since then when Brock was around. I don't know, I think your comparison comes up a little short. ...sorry.
OK, well tell me how? Just saying it's amusing and it coming up short doesn't really satisfy my curiosity as to why you don't like it. B/C honestly, while at first it may seem like a stretch, logically it does have fairly apt comparisons.
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On May 08 2013 10:04 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 09:58 Swift118 wrote:On May 08 2013 09:53 yoshi245 wrote:On May 08 2013 01:11 Diddywhop wrote:How is it different now than it was then? The only thing that would make sense is the obvious thing in business. They made the right decisions at the right time. Number one on that list was picking up Greg 'IdrA' Fields early on. Greg was an enormous personality (still is) early on in the game. Whether it be from his results at MLG or from his character that seemed to attract lovers and haters alike. He is big. People like to watch Greg because he was a top contender in the scene at the time. On top of it all, they never knew what they were going to get from him. Lets face it, a vast majority of people follow Greg and its not always to see him win.
For eSports to break those barriers, we need more personalities and teams like EG. We need to catch that 'WWF' persona, in a sense. You don't always watch it for the action. You watch it to see whats going to happen next. Could you imagine another team with the resources and pool of personality EG has in eSports? It could only stand to attract those viewers who've never seen SC2 before. Hell, it could even spawn a realty television series. Reading this, I couldn't but help agree. I like to think of Idra similar as to how when Brock Lesnar signed with the UFC for his short but questionably successful MMA career. Let's compare their backgrounds. - Brock was a Division 1 NCAA Wrestler in his college years before going to WWE/F. - Idra was a practice partner of CJ Entus - Brock then made his name in WWE/F, things may diverge slightly differently here though, as Idra was a good foreigner in BW, but probably one of the actual few to adapt and partake in that heavy 12 hour per day Korean practice regimen. Even as top of the heap of pro wrestling whether a heel or face, you can look up the wear and tear these guys put their bodies through. Pro Wrestlers spend a majority of the year travelling and doing house shows, many can easily get addicted to painkillers and lead a tragic life as well. Their life wasn't easy, but they do it for the pursuit of being good entertainers. - Brock goes into MMA, defeats Min Soo Kim, but eventually signs onto the UFC, takes on Heath Herring, then former UFC HW Champ Frank Mir (and although he loses, there was some controversy with the ref). But eventually Brock gets a title shot and becomes the UFC HW champion. During Brock's short reign, he easily becomes the biggest draw to the UFC itself where they would get around a million PPV buys. The question of Brock's legitimacy into MMA is due to his background of being a WWE wrestler, some write off or even ignore his NCAA D1 pedigree. He becomes a figure people either love or hate to watch, but he puts asses in the seats. - Idra does well in SC2 beta as well as progresses his career with various wins. His character or persona is further galvanized as a person who can be quite BM if need be. Similar to Brock, he became a player that people either love to hate to watch as well. At this point, Brock is more or less retired from MMA and is back to pro wrestling, I figure part time with the WWE. And recently had a feud with Triple H if I recall (I don't really keep up to date much with WWE, but HHH or Paul Levesque as his real name, is married to Stephanie McMahon - daughter of WWE Chairman of Vince McMahon, and HHH himself holds a very high position in the company too). So Brock still does pro wrestling with big names for a paycheck. Not that he needs it. But he retired mainly due to him feeling that he's probably not best in shape any more to compete at that level. His bout with Diverticulitis pretty much ensured that. Idra though, is still going with his pro gaming career obviously, but for now it seems like his best days may be behind him. He could come back and put results again, but outside of his streaming just for ladder grinding, I don't recall seeing Idra really compete let alone place at a big event for quite awhile. Anyone else find the comparison between Brock Lesnar and Idra slightly amusing? I admit I kinda made a stretch, but there's clearly some parts that make sense. And the end goal is exactly as stated. EG has a big name in Idra that people love/hate. UFC had the same with Brock, I don't think UFC has yet to beat their PPV sales amount since then when Brock was around.
I am sure its all dandy, my imagination was just running a bit wild.
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On May 08 2013 10:13 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 10:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 08 2013 10:04 yoshi245 wrote:On May 08 2013 09:58 Swift118 wrote:On May 08 2013 09:53 yoshi245 wrote:On May 08 2013 01:11 Diddywhop wrote:How is it different now than it was then? The only thing that would make sense is the obvious thing in business. They made the right decisions at the right time. Number one on that list was picking up Greg 'IdrA' Fields early on. Greg was an enormous personality (still is) early on in the game. Whether it be from his results at MLG or from his character that seemed to attract lovers and haters alike. He is big. People like to watch Greg because he was a top contender in the scene at the time. On top of it all, they never knew what they were going to get from him. Lets face it, a vast majority of people follow Greg and its not always to see him win.
For eSports to break those barriers, we need more personalities and teams like EG. We need to catch that 'WWF' persona, in a sense. You don't always watch it for the action. You watch it to see whats going to happen next. Could you imagine another team with the resources and pool of personality EG has in eSports? It could only stand to attract those viewers who've never seen SC2 before. Hell, it could even spawn a realty television series. Reading this, I couldn't but help agree. I like to think of Idra similar as to how when Brock Lesnar signed with the UFC for his short but questionably successful MMA career. Let's compare their backgrounds. - Brock was a Division 1 NCAA Wrestler in his college years before going to WWE/F. - Idra was a practice partner of CJ Entus - Brock then made his name in WWE/F, things may diverge slightly differently here though, as Idra was a good foreigner in BW, but probably one of the actual few to adapt and partake in that heavy 12 hour per day Korean practice regimen. Even as top of the heap of pro wrestling whether a heel or face, you can look up the wear and tear these guys put their bodies through. Pro Wrestlers spend a majority of the year travelling and doing house shows, many can easily get addicted to painkillers and lead a tragic life as well. Their life wasn't easy, but they do it for the pursuit of being good entertainers. - Brock goes into MMA, defeats Min Soo Kim, but eventually signs onto the UFC, takes on Heath Herring, then former UFC HW Champ Frank Mir (and although he loses, there was some controversy with the ref). But eventually Brock gets a title shot and becomes the UFC HW champion. During Brock's short reign, he easily becomes the biggest draw to the UFC itself where they would get around a million PPV buys. The question of Brock's legitimacy into MMA is due to his background of being a WWE wrestler, some write off or even ignore his NCAA D1 pedigree. He becomes a figure people either love or hate to watch, but he puts asses in the seats. - Idra does well in SC2 beta as well as progresses his career with various wins. His character or persona is further galvanized as a person who can be quite BM if need be. Similar to Brock, he became a player that people either love to hate to watch as well. At this point, Brock is more or less retired from MMA and is back to pro wrestling, I figure part time with the WWE. And recently had a feud with Triple H if I recall (I don't really keep up to date much with WWE, but HHH or Paul Levesque as his real name, is married to Stephanie McMahon - daughter of WWE Chairman of Vince McMahon, and HHH himself holds a very high position in the company too). So Brock still does pro wrestling with big names for a paycheck. Not that he needs it. But he retired mainly due to him feeling that he's probably not best in shape any more to compete at that level. His bout with Diverticulitis pretty much ensured that. Idra though, is still going with his pro gaming career obviously, but for now it seems like his best days may be behind him. He could come back and put results again, but outside of his streaming just for ladder grinding, I don't recall seeing Idra really compete let alone place at a big event for quite awhile. Anyone else find the comparison between Brock Lesnar and Idra slightly amusing? I admit I kinda made a stretch, but there's clearly some parts that make sense. And the end goal is exactly as stated. EG has a big name in Idra that people love/hate. UFC had the same with Brock, I don't think UFC has yet to beat their PPV sales amount since then when Brock was around. I don't know, I think your comparison comes up a little short. ...sorry. OK, well tell me how? Just saying it's amusing and it coming up short doesn't really satisfy my curiosity as to why you don't like it. B/C honestly, while at first it may seem like a stretch, logically it does have fairly apt comparisons.
It was a short joke.
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On May 08 2013 09:07 tshi wrote:
It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it).
Guys, EG is not 'abusing the system.' It's called capitalism.
Many sports teams don't rely on results. If NBA teams relied exclusively on championships as their primary revenue source, the average payroll of a team would be less than 10 million dollars, the Lebron James would probably make a couple million dollars a year and there would only be six teams in the whole league.
Some of you might think that EG makes too much money off of sponsorship and merchandise. Well, maybe compared to other teams, but a) those teams don't know what they're doing and b) THAT'S WHAT EVERY TEAM IN EVERY MAJOR SPORTS DOES.
If you guys are seriously disappointed that esports isn't a meritocracy, than you are in for a rude fucking awakening when you hit the real world.
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