On May 08 2013 01:31 radscorpion9 wrote: I think you're definitely right in that charisma plays a big role. Whenever Idra plays you have as many as ten thousand people watching his stream (if I recall correctly), even if he isn't necessarily as successful these days as he used to be.
But I think we should ensure that it remains a secondary focus, not the primary one. Because if people are watching players like Idra or Destiny just because of their colorful personalities, then the business model of esports isn't about the game anymore and just becomes a bit of a joke, in that people will just watch for moments of rage or witty commentary, or because a person is generally funny. At that point it has nothing to do with esports, its just about watching funny people play a game (the game doesn't matter).
For example that's actually the primary reason I watch day9, particularly on fridays or mondays. Most of the time I find sc2 games lackluster and boring because they follow a very standardized pattern of gameplay, but his commentary is hilarious, and I love all of his personal stories.
I think it also extends to casters; lots of people love watching incontrol and think he's a funny guy, but we should try to keep in mind that your knowledge about the game comes first, comedy second. Otherwise its just bizarre in that you are watching a comedy routine in a totally wrong setting.
Edit: Also I'm not even sure if the people above me read your post. He's asking whether we need more charsimatic, WWE type personalities in the game in order to make esports more popular. Stop with the insults, just read the final two paragraphs. That basically summarizes it. This is absolutely not a "dick measuring contest" between EG fans and haters, I have no idea how you draw that conclusion!
Fair, but I'm pretty sure EG's a business and when a team is a business, its primary focus won't be to win and be the best. Sure it'll be one of their goals, but then if you're the best player in the world but no one knows about u, how is it gonna make u money?
It's better to have a lesser product with a wider audience than a better product with very few audience. EG already has a very wide following, now if they can 'better' their skills and actually become one of the top teams, then their popularity would skyrocket.
Example: Dendi from Navi (Dota 2) - Likes to joke around, trolls people, dances, dorky, but considered by many as the best player..
Let's be real. People watch people because of their personality. If you're a fuckin genius, but your personality sucks, who'd like u? No one..
Yeah Dendi is a great example of a player who is simply a goldmine in terms of popularity, great personality and great at the game, kind of similar to IdrA in 2010 or Stephano in 2011-2012. (and note how EG quickly snapped up both of those)
I wonder if EG tried to get PartinG, he seems (from interview translations) to be more interesting than 90% of foreigners and we know he's more skilled than any foreigner. Have him learn a bit of English and stream from time to time (like MC did) and you've got a similar "goldmine".
EG has the right idea when it comes to the atmosphere of a professional team.
In one sense, you're correct. However, in the context of the fact that they're trying to compete in this game, you're 100% wrong. EG had favored content production and selling their players/themselves as a brand. If you're looking to generate income based upon sponsorships and such, this is a fine model. But what would someone say if the Yankees were losing every game, but still had a sick roster and sponsors? They'd probably say it didn't add up. I say "had favored" because as we know, EG moves now to San Fransisco to -allegedly- focus themselves more on practice and raising the skill of their players. Unfortunately, I expect similar results to that which the Lair in AZ produced, which was none at all in the scheme of things.
I wish EG the best and I truly hope this SF move refocuses their players and resources to push their results forward; but as of now, they're a marketable brand, not a championship team.
Also, this thread is going to be terrible and turn into a shit-flinging contest. Don't expect it to stick around for too long.
Athletes in major sports are paid ONLY for performance, since the team's money doesn't come primarily from sponsorships/advertising. In e-sports, nearly all of it comes from sponsorships so players are worth the size of their fanbase. Also, it isn't hard to have a "stand-out" personality in the gaming world. If you have anything close to resembling a personality at all (other than well-mannered robot) then you will be a crowd favorite.
I would agree that they are first and foremost a business, and the reason I say that is that their stream numbers are consistently the highest. Stephano, Demuslim, Idra, Jaedong, etc etc etc. I hate to admit it but I think their performance is lacking and I dont see that changing really, maybe demuslim can make a splash in some tourneys and suppy can continue to progress, also Jaedong obviously has the potential.. idk I like them for their product not so much because I think they are the most talented. Incontrol is a living entity of that point, I love his personality.
On May 08 2013 01:19 DiMano wrote: I do not like teams that buy the best players from other teams to artificially become the best. EG has killed TSL and I hate them for this so much.
No, no, no. It doesn't work that way.
I can understand if you dislike them for buying a lot of good players, but EG didn't kill TSL. TSL had no sponsors or money at the end, that isn't EGs fault.
It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it).
Guys, EG is not 'abusing the system.' It's called capitalism.
Many sports teams don't rely on results. If NBA teams relied exclusively on championships as their primary revenue source, the average payroll of a team would be less than 10 million dollars, the Lebron James would probably make a couple million dollars a year and there would only be six teams in the whole league.
Some of you might think that EG makes too much money off of sponsorship and merchandise. Well, maybe compared to other teams, but a) those teams don't know what they're doing and b) THAT'S WHAT EVERY TEAM IN EVERY MAJOR SPORTS DOES.
If you guys are seriously disappointed that esports isn't a meritocracy, than you are in for a rude fucking awakening when you hit the real world.
Sorry I didn't put that in quotes, i figured that my post was sarcastic enough to not need them. : (
On May 08 2013 01:31 radscorpion9 wrote: I think you're definitely right in that charisma plays a big role. Whenever Idra plays you have as many as ten thousand people watching his stream (if I recall correctly), even if he isn't necessarily as successful these days as he used to be.
But I think we should ensure that it remains a secondary focus, not the primary one. Because if people are watching players like Idra or Destiny just because of their colorful personalities, then the business model of esports isn't about the game anymore and just becomes a bit of a joke, in that people will just watch for moments of rage or witty commentary, or because a person is generally funny. At that point it has nothing to do with esports, its just about watching funny people play a game (the game doesn't matter).
For example that's actually the primary reason I watch day9, particularly on fridays or mondays. Most of the time I find sc2 games lackluster and boring because they follow a very standardized pattern of gameplay, but his commentary is hilarious, and I love all of his personal stories.
I think it also extends to casters; lots of people love watching incontrol and think he's a funny guy, but we should try to keep in mind that your knowledge about the game comes first, comedy second. Otherwise its just bizarre in that you are watching a comedy routine in a totally wrong setting.
Edit: Also I'm not even sure if the people above me read your post. He's asking whether we need more charsimatic, WWE type personalities in the game in order to make esports more popular. Stop with the insults, just read the final two paragraphs. That basically summarizes it. This is absolutely not a "dick measuring contest" between EG fans and haters, I have no idea how you draw that conclusion!
Fair, but I'm pretty sure EG's a business and when a team is a business, its primary focus won't be to win and be the best. Sure it'll be one of their goals, but then if you're the best player in the world but no one knows about u, how is it gonna make u money?
It's better to have a lesser product with a wider audience than a better product with very few audience. EG already has a very wide following, now if they can 'better' their skills and actually become one of the top teams, then their popularity would skyrocket.
Example: Dendi from Navi (Dota 2) - Likes to joke around, trolls people, dances, dorky, but considered by many as the best player..
Let's be real. People watch people because of their personality. If you're a fuckin genius, but your personality sucks, who'd like u? No one..
Yeah Dendi is a great example of a player who is simply a goldmine in terms of popularity, great personality and great at the game, kind of similar to IdrA in 2010 or Stephano in 2011-2012. (and note how EG quickly snapped up both of those)
I wonder if EG tried to get PartinG, he seems (from interview translations) to be more interesting than 90% of foreigners and we know he's more skilled than any foreigner. Have him learn a bit of English and stream from time to time (like MC did) and you've got a similar "goldmine".
Boxer in his prime was the perfect combination of talent, personality (it even showed in his play) and handsome. Sigh. Soooooo handsome.
It's not like EG brought on players like IdrA and Stephano only because they had personality. At the time they were contracted they were all considered great players with tremendous potential.
Yes, even InControl was considered one of the best NA Broodwar players when he joined SC2 during the beta. Being 'a personality' was not the path EG originally mapped out for him.
The insinuation that EG isn't trying to win in addition to make money is silly. Winning a GSL is fucking hard. LOL.
On May 08 2013 01:31 radscorpion9 wrote: I think you're definitely right in that charisma plays a big role. Whenever Idra plays you have as many as ten thousand people watching his stream (if I recall correctly), even if he isn't necessarily as successful these days as he used to be.
But I think we should ensure that it remains a secondary focus, not the primary one. Because if people are watching players like Idra or Destiny just because of their colorful personalities, then the business model of esports isn't about the game anymore and just becomes a bit of a joke, in that people will just watch for moments of rage or witty commentary, or because a person is generally funny. At that point it has nothing to do with esports, its just about watching funny people play a game (the game doesn't matter).
For example that's actually the primary reason I watch day9, particularly on fridays or mondays. Most of the time I find sc2 games lackluster and boring because they follow a very standardized pattern of gameplay, but his commentary is hilarious, and I love all of his personal stories.
I think it also extends to casters; lots of people love watching incontrol and think he's a funny guy, but we should try to keep in mind that your knowledge about the game comes first, comedy second. Otherwise its just bizarre in that you are watching a comedy routine in a totally wrong setting.
Edit: Also I'm not even sure if the people above me read your post. He's asking whether we need more charsimatic, WWE type personalities in the game in order to make esports more popular. Stop with the insults, just read the final two paragraphs. That basically summarizes it. This is absolutely not a "dick measuring contest" between EG fans and haters, I have no idea how you draw that conclusion!
Fair, but I'm pretty sure EG's a business and when a team is a business, its primary focus won't be to win and be the best. Sure it'll be one of their goals, but then if you're the best player in the world but no one knows about u, how is it gonna make u money?
It's better to have a lesser product with a wider audience than a better product with very few audience. EG already has a very wide following, now if they can 'better' their skills and actually become one of the top teams, then their popularity would skyrocket.
Example: Dendi from Navi (Dota 2) - Likes to joke around, trolls people, dances, dorky, but considered by many as the best player..
Let's be real. People watch people because of their personality. If you're a fuckin genius, but your personality sucks, who'd like u? No one..
Yeah Dendi is a great example of a player who is simply a goldmine in terms of popularity, great personality and great at the game, kind of similar to IdrA in 2010 or Stephano in 2011-2012. (and note how EG quickly snapped up both of those)
I wonder if EG tried to get PartinG, he seems (from interview translations) to be more interesting than 90% of foreigners and we know he's more skilled than any foreigner. Have him learn a bit of English and stream from time to time (like MC did) and you've got a similar "goldmine".
Boxer in his prime was the perfect combination of talent, personality (it even showed in his play) and handsome. Sigh. Soooooo handsome.
It's not like EG brought on players like IdrA and Stephano only because they had personality. At the time they were contracted they were all considered great players with tremendous potential.
Yes, even InControl was considered one of the best NA Broodwar players when he joined SC2 during the beta. Being 'a personality' was not the path EG originally mapped out for him.
The insinuation that EG isn't trying to win in addition to make money is silly. Winning a GSL is fucking hard. LOL.
Is it that they're not trying? Or that it doesn't matter 100% in being a successful team? Like, I'm sure they are trying, but the reality is that they dont need to win everything in order to be sustainable, right?
On May 08 2013 01:31 radscorpion9 wrote: I think you're definitely right in that charisma plays a big role. Whenever Idra plays you have as many as ten thousand people watching his stream (if I recall correctly), even if he isn't necessarily as successful these days as he used to be.
But I think we should ensure that it remains a secondary focus, not the primary one. Because if people are watching players like Idra or Destiny just because of their colorful personalities, then the business model of esports isn't about the game anymore and just becomes a bit of a joke, in that people will just watch for moments of rage or witty commentary, or because a person is generally funny. At that point it has nothing to do with esports, its just about watching funny people play a game (the game doesn't matter).
For example that's actually the primary reason I watch day9, particularly on fridays or mondays. Most of the time I find sc2 games lackluster and boring because they follow a very standardized pattern of gameplay, but his commentary is hilarious, and I love all of his personal stories.
I think it also extends to casters; lots of people love watching incontrol and think he's a funny guy, but we should try to keep in mind that your knowledge about the game comes first, comedy second. Otherwise its just bizarre in that you are watching a comedy routine in a totally wrong setting.
Edit: Also I'm not even sure if the people above me read your post. He's asking whether we need more charsimatic, WWE type personalities in the game in order to make esports more popular. Stop with the insults, just read the final two paragraphs. That basically summarizes it. This is absolutely not a "dick measuring contest" between EG fans and haters, I have no idea how you draw that conclusion!
Fair, but I'm pretty sure EG's a business and when a team is a business, its primary focus won't be to win and be the best. Sure it'll be one of their goals, but then if you're the best player in the world but no one knows about u, how is it gonna make u money?
It's better to have a lesser product with a wider audience than a better product with very few audience. EG already has a very wide following, now if they can 'better' their skills and actually become one of the top teams, then their popularity would skyrocket.
Example: Dendi from Navi (Dota 2) - Likes to joke around, trolls people, dances, dorky, but considered by many as the best player..
Let's be real. People watch people because of their personality. If you're a fuckin genius, but your personality sucks, who'd like u? No one..
Yeah Dendi is a great example of a player who is simply a goldmine in terms of popularity, great personality and great at the game, kind of similar to IdrA in 2010 or Stephano in 2011-2012. (and note how EG quickly snapped up both of those)
I wonder if EG tried to get PartinG, he seems (from interview translations) to be more interesting than 90% of foreigners and we know he's more skilled than any foreigner. Have him learn a bit of English and stream from time to time (like MC did) and you've got a similar "goldmine".
Boxer in his prime was the perfect combination of talent, personality (it even showed in his play) and handsome. Sigh. Soooooo handsome.
It's not like EG brought on players like IdrA and Stephano only because they had personality. At the time they were contracted they were all considered great players with tremendous potential.
Yes, even InControl was considered one of the best NA Broodwar players when he joined SC2 during the beta. Being 'a personality' was not the path EG originally mapped out for him.
The insinuation that EG isn't trying to win in addition to make money is silly. Winning a GSL is fucking hard. LOL.
Is it that they're not trying? Or that it doesn't matter 100% in being a successful team? Like, I'm sure they are trying, but the reality is that they dont need to win everything in order to be sustainable, right?
Right. They're trying, but they've also put themselves in a situation where if they fail, they can just try again. It's the position that all companies should aspire to get to, and more importantly a winning strategy in the long run.
On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote: talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens. a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition.
Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does.
I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams.
nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
This post is like 1000% accurate on so many levels.
Yes, people who hate EG and are disgusted by their disgusting behavior (disgusted) do not exist in large enough numbers to justify EG to change their model at all.
It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it).
Really? What I read into that post is that Idra thinks his fans/stream watchers are a bunch of cunts but he does not care because he is making money out of them anyway. Can not say I would be too happy hearing that if I was a fan, luckily I am not that naive.
Yup. That's idra's point. He could shit on his fans lawn, hand them a paper bag and they would clean up his shit for him and thank him for shitting on their lawn.
It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it).
Guys, EG is not 'abusing the system.' It's called capitalism.
Many sports teams don't rely on results. If NBA teams relied exclusively on championships as their primary revenue source, the average payroll of a team would be less than 10 million dollars, the Lebron James would probably make a couple million dollars a year and there would only be six teams in the whole league.
Some of you might think that EG makes too much money off of sponsorship and merchandise. Well, maybe compared to other teams, but a) those teams don't know what they're doing and b) THAT'S WHAT EVERY TEAM IN EVERY MAJOR SPORTS DOES.
If you guys are seriously disappointed that esports isn't a meritocracy, than you are in for a rude fucking awakening when you hit the real world.
This. I don't think people are getting it. If people like the Kansas City Royals made money only off winning things, they would be broke. Sponsorships are what drive professional sports, people want to see winners, but there will always be winners, there will always be someone to rise to the top; the issue is if there is enough money present to sustain that level of committment. Right now, the end-goal of a starcraft player is to make money, they don't even think of doing that until they reach the tip top, that is the biggest problem. Wages should be guaranteed by sponsorships in the first place, to make sc2 a legit sport, sc2 has to treat its players like people with legit jobs. As of right now, things are very much wild-west like, and while the scene has a lot of stability compared to other games, that isn't saying much compared to the stability of more mainstream professional teams. EG makes money the way more prominent and standard sports do, and honestly that is the only way towards sc2 teams having permanency in any real way.
On May 08 2013 01:31 radscorpion9 wrote: I think you're definitely right in that charisma plays a big role. Whenever Idra plays you have as many as ten thousand people watching his stream (if I recall correctly), even if he isn't necessarily as successful these days as he used to be.
But I think we should ensure that it remains a secondary focus, not the primary one. Because if people are watching players like Idra or Destiny just because of their colorful personalities, then the business model of esports isn't about the game anymore and just becomes a bit of a joke, in that people will just watch for moments of rage or witty commentary, or because a person is generally funny. At that point it has nothing to do with esports, its just about watching funny people play a game (the game doesn't matter).
For example that's actually the primary reason I watch day9, particularly on fridays or mondays. Most of the time I find sc2 games lackluster and boring because they follow a very standardized pattern of gameplay, but his commentary is hilarious, and I love all of his personal stories.
I think it also extends to casters; lots of people love watching incontrol and think he's a funny guy, but we should try to keep in mind that your knowledge about the game comes first, comedy second. Otherwise its just bizarre in that you are watching a comedy routine in a totally wrong setting.
Edit: Also I'm not even sure if the people above me read your post. He's asking whether we need more charsimatic, WWE type personalities in the game in order to make esports more popular. Stop with the insults, just read the final two paragraphs. That basically summarizes it. This is absolutely not a "dick measuring contest" between EG fans and haters, I have no idea how you draw that conclusion!
Fair, but I'm pretty sure EG's a business and when a team is a business, its primary focus won't be to win and be the best. Sure it'll be one of their goals, but then if you're the best player in the world but no one knows about u, how is it gonna make u money?
It's better to have a lesser product with a wider audience than a better product with very few audience. EG already has a very wide following, now if they can 'better' their skills and actually become one of the top teams, then their popularity would skyrocket.
Example: Dendi from Navi (Dota 2) - Likes to joke around, trolls people, dances, dorky, but considered by many as the best player..
Let's be real. People watch people because of their personality. If you're a fuckin genius, but your personality sucks, who'd like u? No one..
Yeah Dendi is a great example of a player who is simply a goldmine in terms of popularity, great personality and great at the game, kind of similar to IdrA in 2010 or Stephano in 2011-2012. (and note how EG quickly snapped up both of those)
I wonder if EG tried to get PartinG, he seems (from interview translations) to be more interesting than 90% of foreigners and we know he's more skilled than any foreigner. Have him learn a bit of English and stream from time to time (like MC did) and you've got a similar "goldmine".
Boxer in his prime was the perfect combination of talent, personality (it even showed in his play) and handsome. Sigh. Soooooo handsome.
It's not like EG brought on players like IdrA and Stephano only because they had personality. At the time they were contracted they were all considered great players with tremendous potential.
Yes, even InControl was considered one of the best NA Broodwar players when he joined SC2 during the beta. Being 'a personality' was not the path EG originally mapped out for him.
The insinuation that EG isn't trying to win in addition to make money is silly. Winning a GSL is fucking hard. LOL.
Is it that they're not trying? Or that it doesn't matter 100% in being a successful team? Like, I'm sure they are trying, but the reality is that they dont need to win everything in order to be sustainable, right?
Is there a NBA, NFL, MLB or NHL team that is going to close down because they haven't won enough titles? The Cubs have not won the World Series in 100 FUCKING YEARS!!!!!! ONE HUNDRED YEARS! There is only one person alive(wiki it if you care) that remembers them winning. ONE PERSON IN THE WHOLE WORLD. We fought two world wars, dealt with the civil rights, learned how to fly and WENT TO THE MOON in the time since their last title win.
So no team will ever go out of business because they do not win. It does not factor into if they a viable team. Winning does not make a team successful as a business. It never has. It never will. All that matters is that you have fans and players who want to play.
On May 08 2013 01:31 radscorpion9 wrote: I think you're definitely right in that charisma plays a big role. Whenever Idra plays you have as many as ten thousand people watching his stream (if I recall correctly), even if he isn't necessarily as successful these days as he used to be.
But I think we should ensure that it remains a secondary focus, not the primary one. Because if people are watching players like Idra or Destiny just because of their colorful personalities, then the business model of esports isn't about the game anymore and just becomes a bit of a joke, in that people will just watch for moments of rage or witty commentary, or because a person is generally funny. At that point it has nothing to do with esports, its just about watching funny people play a game (the game doesn't matter).
For example that's actually the primary reason I watch day9, particularly on fridays or mondays. Most of the time I find sc2 games lackluster and boring because they follow a very standardized pattern of gameplay, but his commentary is hilarious, and I love all of his personal stories.
I think it also extends to casters; lots of people love watching incontrol and think he's a funny guy, but we should try to keep in mind that your knowledge about the game comes first, comedy second. Otherwise its just bizarre in that you are watching a comedy routine in a totally wrong setting.
Edit: Also I'm not even sure if the people above me read your post. He's asking whether we need more charsimatic, WWE type personalities in the game in order to make esports more popular. Stop with the insults, just read the final two paragraphs. That basically summarizes it. This is absolutely not a "dick measuring contest" between EG fans and haters, I have no idea how you draw that conclusion!
Fair, but I'm pretty sure EG's a business and when a team is a business, its primary focus won't be to win and be the best. Sure it'll be one of their goals, but then if you're the best player in the world but no one knows about u, how is it gonna make u money?
It's better to have a lesser product with a wider audience than a better product with very few audience. EG already has a very wide following, now if they can 'better' their skills and actually become one of the top teams, then their popularity would skyrocket.
Example: Dendi from Navi (Dota 2) - Likes to joke around, trolls people, dances, dorky, but considered by many as the best player..
Let's be real. People watch people because of their personality. If you're a fuckin genius, but your personality sucks, who'd like u? No one..
Yeah Dendi is a great example of a player who is simply a goldmine in terms of popularity, great personality and great at the game, kind of similar to IdrA in 2010 or Stephano in 2011-2012. (and note how EG quickly snapped up both of those)
I wonder if EG tried to get PartinG, he seems (from interview translations) to be more interesting than 90% of foreigners and we know he's more skilled than any foreigner. Have him learn a bit of English and stream from time to time (like MC did) and you've got a similar "goldmine".
Boxer in his prime was the perfect combination of talent, personality (it even showed in his play) and handsome. Sigh. Soooooo handsome.
It's not like EG brought on players like IdrA and Stephano only because they had personality. At the time they were contracted they were all considered great players with tremendous potential.
Yes, even InControl was considered one of the best NA Broodwar players when he joined SC2 during the beta. Being 'a personality' was not the path EG originally mapped out for him.
The insinuation that EG isn't trying to win in addition to make money is silly. Winning a GSL is fucking hard. LOL.
Is it that they're not trying? Or that it doesn't matter 100% in being a successful team? Like, I'm sure they are trying, but the reality is that they dont need to win everything in order to be sustainable, right?
Is there a NBA, NFL, MLB or NHL team that is going to close down because they haven't won enough titles? The Cubs have not won the World Series in 100 FUCKING YEARS!!!!!! ONE HUNDRED YEARS! There is only one person alive(wiki it if you care) that remembers them winning. ONE PERSON IN THE WHOLE WORLD. We fought two world wars, dealt with the civil rights, learned how to fly and WENT TO THE MOON in the time since their last title win.
So no team will ever go out of business because they do not win. It does not factor into if they a viable team. Winning does not make a team successful as a business. It never has. It never will. All that matters is that you have fans and players who want to play.
Just to play devil's advocate, teams that don't win ever don't tend to retain fans. Using an example like the cubs, they don't win, but there is the possibility they can win. If a team clearly will never win 100% guaranteed they are far less viable. Especially when you bring into consideration we are probably years and years and years away from things like revenue sharing that help to keep less viable teams viable.
On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote: talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens. a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition.
Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does.
I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams.
nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
This post is like 1000% accurate on so many levels.
Yes, people who hate EG and are disgusted by their disgusting behavior (disgusted) do not exist in large enough numbers to justify EG to change their model at all.
It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it).
Really? What I read into that post is that Idra thinks his fans/stream watchers are a bunch of cunts but he does not care because he is making money out of them anyway. Can not say I would be too happy hearing that if I was a fan, luckily I am not that naive.
Yup. That's idra's point. He could shit on his fans lawn, hand them a paper bag and they would clean up his shit for him and thank him for shitting on their lawn.
Nope, that's not it. He actually is nice to his fans, the people he referred to as "fucks" are the ever-so-offendended, hypocritical-about-balance-issues and slightly dumb part of the TL forum community.
On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote: talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens. a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition.
Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does.
I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams.
nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
This post is like 1000% accurate on so many levels.
Yes, people who hate EG and are disgusted by their disgusting behavior (disgusted) do not exist in large enough numbers to justify EG to change their model at all.
It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it).
Really? What I read into that post is that Idra thinks his fans/stream watchers are a bunch of cunts but he does not care because he is making money out of them anyway. Can not say I would be too happy hearing that if I was a fan, luckily I am not that naive.
Yup. That's idra's point. He could shit on his fans lawn, hand them a paper bag and they would clean up his shit for him and thank him for shitting on their lawn.
Nope, that's not it. He actually is nice to his fans, the people he referred to as "fucks" are the ever-so-offendended, hypocritical-about-balance-issues and slightly dumb part of the TL forum community.
Disagree. He's referring to both. The people who like idra are the immature part of the community that love bm players and love to see rage. That is his fan demographic and he panders to them well and it's earned him a lot of money. Idra could shit on them and they would love it and expect it. I'm not an Idra fan, but I can't argue against the success his persona has earned him in regards to fans and money.
There's a sizeable portion of the community that just loves bm players. Idra saw that and one was one of the first to capitalize on it. That makes him a smart businessman...at least esportswise.
On May 08 2013 07:20 IdrA wrote: talk to your fellow viewers then. because they dont reward results, either for players or teams. code S koreans can stream and get less than 500 viewers. the community forgets about a big tournament win as soon as the next big tournament happens. a business' purpose is to make money. winning is at best tangentially related to making money in this industry, solely because of what you and the rest of the community chooses to watch. and any company who tries to lead the charge in the direction you're asking for is gonna go out of business. we arent "abusing a competitive platform" we work in an entertainment industry and you guys are entertained by pandering, not competition.
Idra, in an insight in why he behaves the way he does.
I am sure he is a nice fellow, who is pained and crying inside by his enforced facade for entertainment whenever he streams.
nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
This post is like 1000% accurate on so many levels.
Yes, people who hate EG and are disgusted by their disgusting behavior (disgusted) do not exist in large enough numbers to justify EG to change their model at all.
It sucks for people who hate that EG is abusing the system by making money and not posting results. ... But that's pretty much it. It is the way it is for a reason (idras post nails it).
Really? What I read into that post is that Idra thinks his fans/stream watchers are a bunch of cunts but he does not care because he is making money out of them anyway. Can not say I would be too happy hearing that if I was a fan, luckily I am not that naive.
Yup. That's idra's point. He could shit on his fans lawn, hand them a paper bag and they would clean up his shit for him and thank him for shitting on their lawn.
Nope, that's not it. He actually is nice to his fans, the people he referred to as "fucks" are the ever-so-offendended, hypocritical-about-balance-issues and slightly dumb part of the TL forum community.
Disagree. He's referring to both. The people who like idra are the immature part of the community that love bm players and love to see rage. That is his fan demographic and he panders to them well and it's earned him a lot of money. Idra could shit on them and they would love it and expect it. I'm not an Idra fan, but I can't argue against the success his persona has earned him in regards to fans and money.
There's a sizeable portion of the community that just loves bm players. Idra saw that and one was one of the first to capitalize on it. That makes him a smart businessman...at least esportswise.
I'm an IdrA fan, but not because of his BM. It's because he's actually very talented at commentating and analyzing on the fly, and talking through his thought process during games (when he does). And he's not a risky or gimmicky player, which makes him actually a good player to mimic if you're a novice zerg trying to learn the game.
Although you're probably right, in the sense. IdrA probably hates himself enough to believe all his fans are shit heads, and that he needs to pander to them in order to make a living. It's a shame, really.
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