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On May 01 2013 18:09 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. It's nothing to do with, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS". The players knew that they'd likely have to play on NA throughout this tournament and signed up anyway. Complaining about this after choosing to sign up is incredibly silly. For example, the Champion's League final is in England this year, but it will (likely) be contested by two German teams. You don't see them complaining that the final isn't in Germany because it would be easier for them to get to or whatever else...
Yet nobody's complaining that players will have to fly to the US for the offline portions of the tournament.
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On May 01 2013 18:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. That's good. Cheer for your favourite players, cheer for goswser or Minigun or KiLLeR or your favourite player from the American continent or even all of them! But at the same time, realize how fucking pathetic and petty it sounds to say "nyar serves them right to get screwed over for coming here and qualifying for a tournament that they had every single right to compete in, according to its rules". People need to stop acting like the players have any amount of blame in this ungodly fucking debacle, all they're doing is their job, playing the game that we are supposed to watch and enjoy, and not act like ungrateful asshats. ALL of your complaints should be directed at Blizzard, maybe if our voices as a community are loud enough they'll stop rolling in their fat wads of WoW cash and start actually doing things right. Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:12 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. This decision does absolutely nothing to make Koreans and Europeans lose. Nobody in this thread is saying that NA vs KR should be played on anything other than the NA server. This applies to KR vs KR matches only. Europeans and Koreans who don't live in America shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place, so anything which makes it more awkward/unpleasant for them to play in it is a good thing in my book.
What about NA/SA region players living abroad? Surely since they're not playing from NA and not laddering on the NA server they're not contributing to the advancement of their region, and thus should be punished in the same way? Do you agree with that?
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On May 01 2013 18:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. That's good. Cheer for your favourite players, cheer for goswser or Minigun or KiLLeR or your favourite player from the American continent or even all of them! But at the same time, realize how fucking pathetic and petty it sounds to say "nyar serves them right to get screwed over for coming here and qualifying for a tournament that they had every single right to compete in, according to its rules". People need to stop acting like the players have any amount of blame in this ungodly fucking debacle, all they're doing is their job, playing the game that we are supposed to watch and enjoy, and not act like ungrateful asshats. ALL of your complaints should be directed at Blizzard, maybe if our voices as a community are loud enough they'll stop rolling in their fat wads of WoW cash and start actually doing things right. Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:12 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. This decision does absolutely nothing to make Koreans and Europeans lose. Nobody in this thread is saying that NA vs KR should be played on anything other than the NA server. This applies to KR vs KR matches only. Europeans and Koreans who don't live in America shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place, so anything which makes it more awkward/unpleasant for them to play in it is a good thing in my book.
The irrationality seems extremely strong in this post...
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On May 01 2013 18:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. That's good. Cheer for your favourite players, cheer for goswser or Minigun or KiLLeR or your favourite player from the American continent or even all of them! But at the same time, realize how fucking pathetic and petty it sounds to say "nyar serves them right to get screwed over for coming here and qualifying for a tournament that they had every single right to compete in, according to its rules". People need to stop acting like the players have any amount of blame in this ungodly fucking debacle, all they're doing is their job, playing the game that we are supposed to watch and enjoy, and not act like ungrateful asshats. ALL of your complaints should be directed at Blizzard, maybe if our voices as a community are loud enough they'll stop rolling in their fat wads of WoW cash and start actually doing things right. Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:12 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. This decision does absolutely nothing to make Koreans and Europeans lose. Nobody in this thread is saying that NA vs KR should be played on anything other than the NA server. This applies to KR vs KR matches only. Europeans and Koreans who don't live in America shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place, so anything which makes it more awkward/unpleasant for them to play in it is a good thing in my book.
don't tell me most of the posts here aren't full of nationalism
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On May 01 2013 18:16 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. That's good. Cheer for your favourite players, cheer for goswser or Minigun or KiLLeR or your favourite player from the American continent or even all of them! But at the same time, realize how fucking pathetic and petty it sounds to say "nyar serves them right to get screwed over for coming here and qualifying for a tournament that they had every single right to compete in, according to its rules". People need to stop acting like the players have any amount of blame in this ungodly fucking debacle, all they're doing is their job, playing the game that we are supposed to watch and enjoy, and not act like ungrateful asshats. ALL of your complaints should be directed at Blizzard, maybe if our voices as a community are loud enough they'll stop rolling in their fat wads of WoW cash and start actually doing things right. On May 01 2013 18:12 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. This decision does absolutely nothing to make Koreans and Europeans lose. Nobody in this thread is saying that NA vs KR should be played on anything other than the NA server. This applies to KR vs KR matches only. Europeans and Koreans who don't live in America shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place, so anything which makes it more awkward/unpleasant for them to play in it is a good thing in my book. What about NA/SA region players living abroad? Surely since they're not playing from NA and not laddering on the NA server they're not contributing to the advancement of their region, and thus should be punished in the same way? Do you agree with that?
I'm fine with SEA, China and Africans playing wherever because they don't have a league. Although ideally in future China and SEA would have a league.
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On May 01 2013 18:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:16 Dodgin wrote:On May 01 2013 18:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. That's good. Cheer for your favourite players, cheer for goswser or Minigun or KiLLeR or your favourite player from the American continent or even all of them! But at the same time, realize how fucking pathetic and petty it sounds to say "nyar serves them right to get screwed over for coming here and qualifying for a tournament that they had every single right to compete in, according to its rules". People need to stop acting like the players have any amount of blame in this ungodly fucking debacle, all they're doing is their job, playing the game that we are supposed to watch and enjoy, and not act like ungrateful asshats. ALL of your complaints should be directed at Blizzard, maybe if our voices as a community are loud enough they'll stop rolling in their fat wads of WoW cash and start actually doing things right. On May 01 2013 18:12 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. This decision does absolutely nothing to make Koreans and Europeans lose. Nobody in this thread is saying that NA vs KR should be played on anything other than the NA server. This applies to KR vs KR matches only. Europeans and Koreans who don't live in America shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place, so anything which makes it more awkward/unpleasant for them to play in it is a good thing in my book. What about NA/SA region players living abroad? Surely since they're not playing from NA and not laddering on the NA server they're not contributing to the advancement of their region, and thus should be punished in the same way? Do you agree with that? I'm fine with SEA, China and Africans playing wherever because they don't have a league. Although ideally in future China and SEA would have a league.
So if Scarlett and HuK have to play each other in WCS NA but they're both currently living and training in Korea you would be fine with them playing on KR vs KR, but not when It's Hero vs Major.
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i like it, as a "pro regionlock" guy... if they want to play WCS AM they have to deal with it!
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Blizzard doesn't want NA to be purely NA players, or EU to be purely EU players, so everyone get a grip.
Major and Hero might as well play each other on the korea server. There's no legitimate reason not to unless you're totally inflexible, stubborn go-by-the-book loser.
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On May 01 2013 18:22 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:16 Dodgin wrote:On May 01 2013 18:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. That's good. Cheer for your favourite players, cheer for goswser or Minigun or KiLLeR or your favourite player from the American continent or even all of them! But at the same time, realize how fucking pathetic and petty it sounds to say "nyar serves them right to get screwed over for coming here and qualifying for a tournament that they had every single right to compete in, according to its rules". People need to stop acting like the players have any amount of blame in this ungodly fucking debacle, all they're doing is their job, playing the game that we are supposed to watch and enjoy, and not act like ungrateful asshats. ALL of your complaints should be directed at Blizzard, maybe if our voices as a community are loud enough they'll stop rolling in their fat wads of WoW cash and start actually doing things right. On May 01 2013 18:12 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. This decision does absolutely nothing to make Koreans and Europeans lose. Nobody in this thread is saying that NA vs KR should be played on anything other than the NA server. This applies to KR vs KR matches only. Europeans and Koreans who don't live in America shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place, so anything which makes it more awkward/unpleasant for them to play in it is a good thing in my book. What about NA/SA region players living abroad? Surely since they're not playing from NA and not laddering on the NA server they're not contributing to the advancement of their region, and thus should be punished in the same way? Do you agree with that? I'm fine with SEA, China and Africans playing wherever because they don't have a league. Although ideally in future China and SEA would have a league. So if Scarlett and HuK have to play each other in WCS NA but they're both currently living and training in Korea you would be fine with them playing on KR vs KR, but not when It's Hero vs Major.
Yes, because Scarlett and Huk aren't currently helping the NA (especially Huk who's never really helped the NA scene for years now) by not training on their ladder.
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People can be so stupid really, is it oging to hurt anyone of the games are played on KR? Is it going to cost ANYONE ANYTHING?
No, then i don't see where there is a problem, retarded worldd is retarded
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On May 01 2013 18:25 Thor.Rush wrote:
Blizzard doesn't want NA to be purely NA players, or EU to be purely EU players, so everyone get a grip.
Major and Hero might as well play each other on the korea server. There's no legitimate reason not to unless you're totally inflexible, stubborn go-by-the-book loser.
They want them to grow their respective scenes. They just completely fucked up and dropped the ball by not realising how many Koreans would want to play in AM and then MLG made it even worse by inviting loads of Koreans/Europeans in search of better viewing figures.
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On May 01 2013 18:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:22 Dodgin wrote:On May 01 2013 18:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:16 Dodgin wrote:On May 01 2013 18:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. That's good. Cheer for your favourite players, cheer for goswser or Minigun or KiLLeR or your favourite player from the American continent or even all of them! But at the same time, realize how fucking pathetic and petty it sounds to say "nyar serves them right to get screwed over for coming here and qualifying for a tournament that they had every single right to compete in, according to its rules". People need to stop acting like the players have any amount of blame in this ungodly fucking debacle, all they're doing is their job, playing the game that we are supposed to watch and enjoy, and not act like ungrateful asshats. ALL of your complaints should be directed at Blizzard, maybe if our voices as a community are loud enough they'll stop rolling in their fat wads of WoW cash and start actually doing things right. On May 01 2013 18:12 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. This decision does absolutely nothing to make Koreans and Europeans lose. Nobody in this thread is saying that NA vs KR should be played on anything other than the NA server. This applies to KR vs KR matches only. Europeans and Koreans who don't live in America shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place, so anything which makes it more awkward/unpleasant for them to play in it is a good thing in my book. What about NA/SA region players living abroad? Surely since they're not playing from NA and not laddering on the NA server they're not contributing to the advancement of their region, and thus should be punished in the same way? Do you agree with that? I'm fine with SEA, China and Africans playing wherever because they don't have a league. Although ideally in future China and SEA would have a league. So if Scarlett and HuK have to play each other in WCS NA but they're both currently living and training in Korea you would be fine with them playing on KR vs KR, but not when It's Hero vs Major. Yes, because Scarlett and Huk aren't currently helping the NA (especially Huk who's never really helped the NA scene for years now) by not training on their ladder.
If you're going to take that position then fine, I can understand and accept it. I just think a majority of posters here are extremely biased because the circumstances are involving Hero, a KR player. If this thread was about Scarlett and HuK not being able to play their WCS NA matches on the KR server while they are both in KR I think the majority vote would be allow them to play (because there's no reason not to).
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On May 01 2013 18:17 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:15 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:09 Sated wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. It's nothing to do with, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS". The players knew that they'd likely have to play on NA throughout this tournament and signed up anyway. Complaining about this after choosing to sign up is incredibly silly. For example, the Champion's League final is in England this year, but it will (likely) be contested by two German teams. You don't see them complaining that the final isn't in Germany because it would be easier for them to get to or whatever else... Yet nobody's complaining that players will have to fly to the US for the offline portions of the tournament. Clearly the point went over your head. It's the American portion of the qualifiers, it should be held on NA. Anyone wanting to play in the tournament should either move to NA, or deal with the consequences of having to play on NA. If you don't want to play with lag, play in the tournament associated with your own region. Players should be glad they're not forced to relocate, like players are if they want to try to qualify for WCS KR.
The point where you compared soccer, a physical sport, to a game played over the internet?
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On May 01 2013 17:53 Highwinds wrote:
this thread made me hate half the community of this site... Racist people don't want koreans in NA? Well guess what this literally is the worst decision possible hurts viewers and hurts the players and people agree with it. This is the only time I've been disgusted with TL people who don't seem to get it. Any high level player would understand that. Look at major's response and any other community member who responded in here.
I want every different stuff. National tournaments, International tournaments, regional tournaments, etc..
oh wait, do we have regional tournaments? No. Exactly this I missed in WoL and we still don't have it in HotS.
They are supposed to be regional tournaments, but they aren't.
WCS EU and WCS KR were by far the best tournaments of 2012.
/edit: b2t, as expected every game has to play at na server. Like today with Mvp & WCS EU at EU Server.
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On May 01 2013 18:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:25 Thor.Rush wrote:
Blizzard doesn't want NA to be purely NA players, or EU to be purely EU players, so everyone get a grip.
Major and Hero might as well play each other on the korea server. There's no legitimate reason not to unless you're totally inflexible, stubborn go-by-the-book loser. They want them to grow their respective scenes. They just completely fucked up and dropped the ball by not realising how many Koreans would want to play in AM and then MLG made it even worse by inviting loads of Koreans/Europeans in search of better viewing figures.
They knew perfectly well lots of Koreans would come and that's what Blizzard wanted.
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On May 01 2013 18:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:16 Dodgin wrote:On May 01 2013 18:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. That's good. Cheer for your favourite players, cheer for goswser or Minigun or KiLLeR or your favourite player from the American continent or even all of them! But at the same time, realize how fucking pathetic and petty it sounds to say "nyar serves them right to get screwed over for coming here and qualifying for a tournament that they had every single right to compete in, according to its rules". People need to stop acting like the players have any amount of blame in this ungodly fucking debacle, all they're doing is their job, playing the game that we are supposed to watch and enjoy, and not act like ungrateful asshats. ALL of your complaints should be directed at Blizzard, maybe if our voices as a community are loud enough they'll stop rolling in their fat wads of WoW cash and start actually doing things right. On May 01 2013 18:12 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. This decision does absolutely nothing to make Koreans and Europeans lose. Nobody in this thread is saying that NA vs KR should be played on anything other than the NA server. This applies to KR vs KR matches only. Europeans and Koreans who don't live in America shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place, so anything which makes it more awkward/unpleasant for them to play in it is a good thing in my book. What about NA/SA region players living abroad? Surely since they're not playing from NA and not laddering on the NA server they're not contributing to the advancement of their region, and thus should be punished in the same way? Do you agree with that? I'm fine with SEA, China and Africans playing wherever because they don't have a league. Although ideally in future China and SEA would have a league.
That's charitable of you, but in fact all the regions are open to everyone globally. So I don't see why anyone should have a problem with people playing in open tournaments that they're allowed to play in.
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THIS IS MADNESS!!! NO THIS IS MLG!!! Once again strikes back against players 
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