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On May 01 2013 18:28 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:22 Dodgin wrote:On May 01 2013 18:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:16 Dodgin wrote:On May 01 2013 18:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. That's good. Cheer for your favourite players, cheer for goswser or Minigun or KiLLeR or your favourite player from the American continent or even all of them! But at the same time, realize how fucking pathetic and petty it sounds to say "nyar serves them right to get screwed over for coming here and qualifying for a tournament that they had every single right to compete in, according to its rules". People need to stop acting like the players have any amount of blame in this ungodly fucking debacle, all they're doing is their job, playing the game that we are supposed to watch and enjoy, and not act like ungrateful asshats. ALL of your complaints should be directed at Blizzard, maybe if our voices as a community are loud enough they'll stop rolling in their fat wads of WoW cash and start actually doing things right. On May 01 2013 18:12 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. This decision does absolutely nothing to make Koreans and Europeans lose. Nobody in this thread is saying that NA vs KR should be played on anything other than the NA server. This applies to KR vs KR matches only. Europeans and Koreans who don't live in America shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place, so anything which makes it more awkward/unpleasant for them to play in it is a good thing in my book. What about NA/SA region players living abroad? Surely since they're not playing from NA and not laddering on the NA server they're not contributing to the advancement of their region, and thus should be punished in the same way? Do you agree with that? I'm fine with SEA, China and Africans playing wherever because they don't have a league. Although ideally in future China and SEA would have a league. So if Scarlett and HuK have to play each other in WCS NA but they're both currently living and training in Korea you would be fine with them playing on KR vs KR, but not when It's Hero vs Major. Yes, because Scarlett and Huk aren't currently helping the NA (especially Huk who's never really helped the NA scene for years now) by not training on their ladder. If you're going to take that position then fine, I can understand and accept it. I just think a majority of posters here are extremely biased because the circumstances are involving Hero, a KR player. If this thread was about Scarlett and HuK not being able to play their WCS NA matches on the KR server while they are both in KR I think the majority vote would be allow them to play (because there's no reason not to).
I still think that's understandable for Scarlett because she's temporarily in Korea, she's still a Canadian citizen who lives their most of the time and has contributed massively to the American scene in her time of a pro gamer.
Hero is a Korean, with no intention of living anywhere but Korea who has never lived in NA and contributed to that scene.
Personally I'm absolutely fine with the idea that there's two reasons why you can play in AM.
1. You're a citizen/permanent resident of an American country living in America or anywhere in the world
2. You're currently residing in America, have a visa for the length of the event and are playing your games from an American location regardless of citizenship.
What you can't do is be from Korea/Europe and play your games from Korea/Europe and then fly in for the weekend to play the offline part.
That is not racist, it's wanting to promote the American scene and give them a place to make money and develop their skills.
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On May 01 2013 10:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:
lt's WCS NA so it should be played on the na server.
Leaning towards this. It kinda loses the NA vibe if the matches are in Korea..
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On May 01 2013 18:34 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:16 Dodgin wrote:On May 01 2013 18:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. That's good. Cheer for your favourite players, cheer for goswser or Minigun or KiLLeR or your favourite player from the American continent or even all of them! But at the same time, realize how fucking pathetic and petty it sounds to say "nyar serves them right to get screwed over for coming here and qualifying for a tournament that they had every single right to compete in, according to its rules". People need to stop acting like the players have any amount of blame in this ungodly fucking debacle, all they're doing is their job, playing the game that we are supposed to watch and enjoy, and not act like ungrateful asshats. ALL of your complaints should be directed at Blizzard, maybe if our voices as a community are loud enough they'll stop rolling in their fat wads of WoW cash and start actually doing things right. On May 01 2013 18:12 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. This decision does absolutely nothing to make Koreans and Europeans lose. Nobody in this thread is saying that NA vs KR should be played on anything other than the NA server. This applies to KR vs KR matches only. Europeans and Koreans who don't live in America shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place, so anything which makes it more awkward/unpleasant for them to play in it is a good thing in my book. What about NA/SA region players living abroad? Surely since they're not playing from NA and not laddering on the NA server they're not contributing to the advancement of their region, and thus should be punished in the same way? Do you agree with that? I'm fine with SEA, China and Africans playing wherever because they don't have a league. Although ideally in future China and SEA would have a league. That's charitable of you, but in fact all the regions are open to everyone globally. So I don't see why anyone should have a problem with people playing in open tournaments that they're allowed to play in.
Luckily 95% of people think you're wrong and Blizzard will adjust to that in time.
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I ca't really agree with this at all. The two players in question both reside in korea, why not play those games in Korea? Even if this is for WCS NA, it's not conducive to the level of play to have more latency introduced into the game that can be avoided. Hell the games can still be played same day and those replays provided as 'fresh' and when I say fresh similar to how NASL had game replays provided to them where the replays were played during broadcast and provided to them as soon as they were finished.
Sad to say, but this is another reason why NASL would have been the superior choice for the North American scene. They understand how to meet the expectations of the audience while working with the players to provide the best games possible. Games played on Korea server if both players are in Korea, games played on one server then the other for those that are split, with the exception of Kor - EU where I think both games were played on NA as it was less lag than the korean to EU lag. Also in some circumstances games were still casted from replays (players not wanting it played live or
As it stands here, this is a deterrent whether they believe it or not. Players haven't had the chance to relocate and based on these kinds of decisions either rush that relocation, show bad games or potentially drop out due to inability to produce quality games. Inflexibility on the part of the rule makers shows a lack of ability to make judgement calls that can actually benefit all parties involved.
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On May 01 2013 10:58 Archas wrote:
It's WCS NA, not "WCS NA, as played on KR". I see no problem with this.
yep 120% for this !!!! its wcs na if you from korea and wanna play on NA you have to go to NA ... even if both kr, the casters are NA ... no one cares where you sit play in korea if you wanna have good connection ... its s shame they are even allowed to play i am for "you have to life in the country" like mc goes to germany for wcs eu
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On May 01 2013 18:46 Magnets wrote:
I ca't really agree with this at all. The two players in question both reside in korea, why not play those games in Korea? Even if this is for WCS NA, it's not conducive to the level of play to have more latency introduced into the game that can be avoided. Hell the games can still be played same day and those replays provided as 'fresh' and when I say fresh similar to how NASL had game replays provided to them where the replays were played during broadcast and provided to them as soon as they were finished.
Sad to say, but this is another reason why NASL would have been the superior choice for the North American scene. They understand how to meet the expectations of the audience while working with the players to provide the best games possible. Games played on Korea server if both players are in Korea, games played on one server then the other for those that are split, with the exception of Kor - EU where I think both games were played on NA as it was less lag than the korean to EU lag. Also in some circumstances games were still casted from replays (players not wanting it played live or
As it stands here, this is a deterrent whether they believe it or not. Players haven't had the chance to relocate and based on these kinds of decisions either rush that relocation, show bad games or potentially drop out due to inability to produce quality games. Inflexibility on the part of the rule makers shows a lack of ability to make judgement calls that can actually benefit all parties involved.
to make the koreans not love it so much ... its WCS na ... deal with it ! the casters are NA why should they go to KR to watch the games that called NA
i love this decision (i would as i said prever not allow players from korea participate)
so you should have to LIFE in the country or BE from the country (like major is ok, hero not) to play in it  then it would not be rassistic it would just be perfect
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On May 01 2013 18:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Luckily 95% of people think you're wrong
That really sucks actually. But at least people are finally reading my posts.
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If waxangel hadn't been the one to post this it probably would have been locked long ago. Out of everything MLG did wrong for WCS:NA this doesn't even register on the radar, at most it is a fly that lands on the radar and you flick it away. The topic is pure flamebait begging for another riot over who should be allowed to play where.
The players signed up for WCS:NA knowing they would be playing on the NA server. If MLG doesn't want to let them play their match against each other on the KR server then whoop-de-do. They should be thankful they're even allowed to play on NA when they're not even current residents.
This decision is neither right nor wrong, get over it.
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MLG losing credibility each day that passes.
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On May 01 2013 18:29 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:25 Thor.Rush wrote:
Blizzard doesn't want NA to be purely NA players, or EU to be purely EU players, so everyone get a grip.
Major and Hero might as well play each other on the korea server. There's no legitimate reason not to unless you're totally inflexible, stubborn go-by-the-book loser. Even if they play on KR, the casters and admins still have to log from NA to KR. This will still cause lag, so nothing really changes. Why don't people see this? Sure, I saw someone say earlier that one caster < two players, but there won't always be a single caster involved: If this was a case were the casters had to log from EU to KR then the number of casters would significantly outweigh the number of players, because WCS EU is broadcast in a multitude of different languages. By enforcing a strict rule, WCS are making sure that there is no confusion and no room for confusion. That is a good thing. EDIT: Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:28 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:17 Sated wrote:On May 01 2013 18:15 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:09 Sated wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. It's nothing to do with, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS". The players knew that they'd likely have to play on NA throughout this tournament and signed up anyway. Complaining about this after choosing to sign up is incredibly silly. For example, the Champion's League final is in England this year, but it will (likely) be contested by two German teams. You don't see them complaining that the final isn't in Germany because it would be easier for them to get to or whatever else... Yet nobody's complaining that players will have to fly to the US for the offline portions of the tournament. Clearly the point went over your head. It's the American portion of the qualifiers, it should be held on NA. Anyone wanting to play in the tournament should either move to NA, or deal with the consequences of having to play on NA. If you don't want to play with lag, play in the tournament associated with your own region. Players should be glad they're not forced to relocate, like players are if they want to try to qualify for WCS KR. The point where you compared soccer, a physical sport, to a game played over the internet? Sigh... It was a very basic and facetious comparison, nor was it the point. The point is above, "The players knew that they'd likely have to play on NA throughout this tournament and signed up anyway. Complaining about this after choosing to sign up is incredibly silly." If you're going to pick up on what was clearly an illustrative comparison instead of addressing the point at hand then you clearly have nothing to offer. Also, it is "football", not "soccer".
While I'm neutral on the matter I have to disagree number of casters outweight players. WCS AM is casted by 2 dudes from MLG. There is only one stream.
The "lag" they experience is just the delay due to latency which will not affect caster that much but will affect players alot. A caster arriving a second late to a battle is still gonna be able to catch most of the action. Players' actions late by a second can be the difference between losing or winning. I am sure the lag is not so intolerable. I mean you got guys playing to EU from Korea.. NA has better ping. Either way, like I said, whether they play on KR or NA I'm fine with it. Although "casters will lag" shouldn't be excuse to not play on KR cuz thats bull imo
Also I though Blizz stopped multi language community streams and only allows live WCS content to be streamed on official channel after the EU qualis? Am I wrong? sorry I don't really follow WCS EU live it starts at midnight for me.
To your second point, I would like to point out that other than the 32 players already in Code S for this season in Korea, the rest had 0 chance to compete in this first season of WCS. 0. No chance. Unless they played in other WCS Region. You may not like the fact that they are playing in AM/EU WCS but if anyone was in their situation they would do the same so long as your team could support you financially to fly you over for the LAN(offline) part. Blame Blizzard for announcing this WCS format out of the blue, not the players.
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On May 01 2013 11:06 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 11:05 Sub40APM wrote:
No one forced Major to sign up for WCS NA from Korea. Should pay the price for picking the weakest WCG region to get more money while benefiting from practicing against the superior Koreans. what would you do in his position?
stop complaining and accept logical rules ... if you abuse rules dont complain you cant abuse them more
On May 01 2013 18:51 Apolo wrote:
MLG losing credibility each day that passes.
NOPE for me they won alot credibility back with this !!!
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Maybe Major should have played in WCS KR if he wanted to play on the KR server.
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On May 01 2013 18:52 yrt123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:29 Sated wrote:On May 01 2013 18:25 Thor.Rush wrote:
Blizzard doesn't want NA to be purely NA players, or EU to be purely EU players, so everyone get a grip.
Major and Hero might as well play each other on the korea server. There's no legitimate reason not to unless you're totally inflexible, stubborn go-by-the-book loser. Even if they play on KR, the casters and admins still have to log from NA to KR. This will still cause lag, so nothing really changes. Why don't people see this? Sure, I saw someone say earlier that one caster < two players, but there won't always be a single caster involved: If this was a case were the casters had to log from EU to KR then the number of casters would significantly outweigh the number of players, because WCS EU is broadcast in a multitude of different languages. By enforcing a strict rule, WCS are making sure that there is no confusion and no room for confusion. That is a good thing. EDIT: On May 01 2013 18:28 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:17 Sated wrote:On May 01 2013 18:15 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:09 Sated wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. It's nothing to do with, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS". The players knew that they'd likely have to play on NA throughout this tournament and signed up anyway. Complaining about this after choosing to sign up is incredibly silly. For example, the Champion's League final is in England this year, but it will (likely) be contested by two German teams. You don't see them complaining that the final isn't in Germany because it would be easier for them to get to or whatever else... Yet nobody's complaining that players will have to fly to the US for the offline portions of the tournament. Clearly the point went over your head. It's the American portion of the qualifiers, it should be held on NA. Anyone wanting to play in the tournament should either move to NA, or deal with the consequences of having to play on NA. If you don't want to play with lag, play in the tournament associated with your own region. Players should be glad they're not forced to relocate, like players are if they want to try to qualify for WCS KR. The point where you compared soccer, a physical sport, to a game played over the internet? Sigh... It was a very basic and facetious comparison, nor was it the point. The point is above, "The players knew that they'd likely have to play on NA throughout this tournament and signed up anyway. Complaining about this after choosing to sign up is incredibly silly." If you're going to pick up on what was clearly an illustrative comparison instead of addressing the point at hand then you clearly have nothing to offer. Also, it is "football", not "soccer". While I'm neutral on the matter I have to disagree number of casters outweight players. WCS AM is casted by 2 dudes from MLG. There is only one stream. The "lag" they experience is just the delay due to latency which will not affect caster that much but will affect players alot. A caster arriving a second late to a battle is still gonna be able to catch most of the action. Players' actions late by a second can be the difference between losing or winning. I am sure the lag is not so intolerable. I mean you got guys playing to EU from Korea.. NA has better ping. Either way, like I said, whether they play on KR or NA I'm fine with it. Although "casters will lag" shouldn't be excuse to not play on KR cuz thats bull imo Also I though Blizz stopped multi language community streams and only allows live WCS content to be streamed on official channel after the EU qualis? Am I wrong? sorry I don't really follow WCS EU live it starts at midnight for me. To your second point, I would like to point out that other than the 32 players already in Code S for this season in Korea, the rest had 0 chance to compete in this first season of WCS. 0. No chance. Unless they played in other WCS Region. You may not like the fact that they are playing in AM/EU WCS but if anyone was in their situation they would do the same so long as your team could support you financially to fly you over for the LAN(offline) part. Blame Blizzard for announcing this WCS format out of the blue, not the players.
you say your neutral but then only defend "play on kr" thats not rly neutral dude.
they have already be allwoed to play on this tournament from kr and now they cry well MAJOR does and hes known for it ...
hope hero doesnt start it too
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On May 01 2013 18:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:34 oBlade wrote:On May 01 2013 18:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:16 Dodgin wrote:On May 01 2013 18:15 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. That's good. Cheer for your favourite players, cheer for goswser or Minigun or KiLLeR or your favourite player from the American continent or even all of them! But at the same time, realize how fucking pathetic and petty it sounds to say "nyar serves them right to get screwed over for coming here and qualifying for a tournament that they had every single right to compete in, according to its rules". People need to stop acting like the players have any amount of blame in this ungodly fucking debacle, all they're doing is their job, playing the game that we are supposed to watch and enjoy, and not act like ungrateful asshats. ALL of your complaints should be directed at Blizzard, maybe if our voices as a community are loud enough they'll stop rolling in their fat wads of WoW cash and start actually doing things right. On May 01 2013 18:12 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. People do blame Blizzard but it's still reasonably that we would want to Koreans and Europeans to lose. This decision does absolutely nothing to make Koreans and Europeans lose. Nobody in this thread is saying that NA vs KR should be played on anything other than the NA server. This applies to KR vs KR matches only. Europeans and Koreans who don't live in America shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place, so anything which makes it more awkward/unpleasant for them to play in it is a good thing in my book. What about NA/SA region players living abroad? Surely since they're not playing from NA and not laddering on the NA server they're not contributing to the advancement of their region, and thus should be punished in the same way? Do you agree with that? I'm fine with SEA, China and Africans playing wherever because they don't have a league. Although ideally in future China and SEA would have a league. That's charitable of you, but in fact all the regions are open to everyone globally. So I don't see why anyone should have a problem with people playing in open tournaments that they're allowed to play in. Luckily 95% of people think you're wrong and Blizzard will adjust to that in time.
Actually you are wrong because Blizzard has unlocked regions and made WCS the way they want it to be. They want to 'bring the world together', and nothing is going to stop their agenda :D
I haven't decided whether I agree with it or not, but that's the way it is. Blizzard has reasons for believing it will make SC2 more successful in the long run.
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If you're in korea, NA might be the wrong qualifier! "Forced to play" lol !
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On May 01 2013 18:54 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 18:52 yrt123 wrote:On May 01 2013 18:29 Sated wrote:On May 01 2013 18:25 Thor.Rush wrote:
Blizzard doesn't want NA to be purely NA players, or EU to be purely EU players, so everyone get a grip.
Major and Hero might as well play each other on the korea server. There's no legitimate reason not to unless you're totally inflexible, stubborn go-by-the-book loser. Even if they play on KR, the casters and admins still have to log from NA to KR. This will still cause lag, so nothing really changes. Why don't people see this? Sure, I saw someone say earlier that one caster < two players, but there won't always be a single caster involved: If this was a case were the casters had to log from EU to KR then the number of casters would significantly outweigh the number of players, because WCS EU is broadcast in a multitude of different languages. By enforcing a strict rule, WCS are making sure that there is no confusion and no room for confusion. That is a good thing. EDIT: On May 01 2013 18:28 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:17 Sated wrote:On May 01 2013 18:15 Dracid wrote:On May 01 2013 18:09 Sated wrote:On May 01 2013 18:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 01 2013 17:59 Grovbolle wrote:
I like how every mod/admin/red thinks this is the most horrible idea ever, and a lot of regular forum posters thinks it's fine because HerO/MajOr choose the region, and as such should be prepared to face the consequences. I am both for and against. Against because of the obvious lag for both players, delivering sub-par games.
For because there has to be some form of downside to not living in the region you are competing in. It really goes to show how emotional, irrational and ultimately ignorant most of the lay men are in this scene. Once again, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" mentality shining through. People are bitter at the situation for the right reasons, but they're projecting it onto the wrong people. So I say to them: Blame Blizzard/MLG. Don't blame the players. They're the ones working their ass off 8-12 hrs a day for your enjoyment, you entitled, ignorant pricks. It's nothing to do with, "DEY TOOK ER JERBS". The players knew that they'd likely have to play on NA throughout this tournament and signed up anyway. Complaining about this after choosing to sign up is incredibly silly. For example, the Champion's League final is in England this year, but it will (likely) be contested by two German teams. You don't see them complaining that the final isn't in Germany because it would be easier for them to get to or whatever else... Yet nobody's complaining that players will have to fly to the US for the offline portions of the tournament. Clearly the point went over your head. It's the American portion of the qualifiers, it should be held on NA. Anyone wanting to play in the tournament should either move to NA, or deal with the consequences of having to play on NA. If you don't want to play with lag, play in the tournament associated with your own region. Players should be glad they're not forced to relocate, like players are if they want to try to qualify for WCS KR. The point where you compared soccer, a physical sport, to a game played over the internet? Sigh... It was a very basic and facetious comparison, nor was it the point. The point is above, "The players knew that they'd likely have to play on NA throughout this tournament and signed up anyway. Complaining about this after choosing to sign up is incredibly silly." If you're going to pick up on what was clearly an illustrative comparison instead of addressing the point at hand then you clearly have nothing to offer. Also, it is "football", not "soccer". While I'm neutral on the matter I have to disagree number of casters outweight players. WCS AM is casted by 2 dudes from MLG. There is only one stream. The "lag" they experience is just the delay due to latency which will not affect caster that much but will affect players alot. A caster arriving a second late to a battle is still gonna be able to catch most of the action. Players' actions late by a second can be the difference between losing or winning. I am sure the lag is not so intolerable. I mean you got guys playing to EU from Korea.. NA has better ping. Either way, like I said, whether they play on KR or NA I'm fine with it. Although "casters will lag" shouldn't be excuse to not play on KR cuz thats bull imo Also I though Blizz stopped multi language community streams and only allows live WCS content to be streamed on official channel after the EU qualis? Am I wrong? sorry I don't really follow WCS EU live it starts at midnight for me. To your second point, I would like to point out that other than the 32 players already in Code S for this season in Korea, the rest had 0 chance to compete in this first season of WCS. 0. No chance. Unless they played in other WCS Region. You may not like the fact that they are playing in AM/EU WCS but if anyone was in their situation they would do the same so long as your team could support you financially to fly you over for the LAN(offline) part. Blame Blizzard for announcing this WCS format out of the blue, not the players. you say your neutral but then only defend "play on kr" thats not rly neutral dude. they have already be allwoed to play on this tournament from kr and now they cry well MAJOR does and hes known for it ... hope hero doesnt start it too
Ah well I assumed I didn't need to defend MLG following the rules. l shall do so. MLG is just following rules! Let them be!
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On May 01 2013 18:52 yrt123 wrote:
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Also I though Blizz stopped multi language community streams and only allows live WCS content to be streamed on official channel after the EU qualis? Am I wrong? sorry I don't really follow WCS EU live it starts at midnight for me.
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No, multi-language is allowed and happens every day for WCS EU. Even multiple English streams are allowed, if the primary partner agrees. The only condition is, that they stream under the WCS brand name. NASL, understandably, didn't want to stream as "WCS 2", so that is where that rumor comes from.
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the bias against a fair competition is pretty heavy in this thread.
there is no objective reason to not play this match on KR, if both players agree.to it. it's not like they are forcing an NA player to play on KR.
but those comments.... wow TL, that was unexpected. i always thought a fair competition is on everyones top priority list.
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Not a big suprise if you ask me
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