EPTMajOr and HerO forced to play WCS Matches on NA? - Page 18
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aike
United States1629 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
Suddenly Player A is amazed that he cant play KR but has to play NA instead. Referee decides to allow KR vs KR and Player B is screwed. Player B was good mannered and didn't want any bad manner image from him for not allowing KR vs KR to happen even if he loses advantage by following rules. Do not bend rules, but use them to your advantage. What about MajOr stop complaining and get used to NA lag and gain advantage this way. | ||
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Dracid
United States280 Posts
This decision isn't going to help NA players in the slightest. They get NO ADVANTAGE whatsoever against the Koreans from this, all NA vs KR games should still take place on the NA server. All you get is some sense of "punishing" the Koreans, even though in reality it's just an annoyance that benefits nobody whatsoever. | ||
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Holo82
Austria107 Posts
Astonishing, in the process of recognizing the impact of the truth and righteousness of this above mentioned concept, i shall dare moving on. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
100% the correct call. You shouldn't be allowed to play from a diff region anyways so being completly inflexible for other regions players is fine by me. I hope they have to play at 7pm EST too. | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On May 01 2013 17:19 Holo82 wrote: WCS America is beeing played on american servers? Astonishing, in the process of recognizing the impact of the truth and righteousness of this above mentioned concept, i shall dare moving on. Haha right? I mean having "America" in the name must mean SOMETHING right? The only thing left is that it means the server you play on. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Dundron2000
Sweden1140 Posts
If they didn't they did a pretty poor job of reading the tourney rules. I don't see much point in pointing the blame at MLG, it's the players responsibility to keep track of that not expect the tournament organizers to change the rules to your benefit as you go along. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 01 2013 17:19 Dracid wrote: Why do I get the feeling that a lot of people here are just angry about Koreans being in the tournament to begin with? This decision isn't going to help NA players in the slightest. They get NO ADVANTAGE whatsoever against the Koreans from this, all NA vs KR games should still take place on the NA server. All you get is some sense of "punishing" the Koreans, even though in reality it's just an annoyance that benefits nobody whatsoever. People are childish and ignorant, Dracid, that false sense of punishment at least brings some form of satisfaction for these pathetic "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" posters. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Hate your beloved pros for not being good enough to make it. Better yet, hate Blizzard if you disagree with the way in which they designed their league, or hate MLG for taking the simple idea of an online qualifier and fucking up on a level we hadn't seen before. Don't hate the Koreans who are doing nothing but looking after their own interests while still playing this game at the highest level possible. | ||
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farnham
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budar
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Charlie.Sheen
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thepotatoman
United States73 Posts
On May 01 2013 15:35 Hrrrrm wrote: It will always be WCS America because the games are played during Americas PRIMETIME. Just like EU's WCS plays during EU's Primetime. People need to seriously start realizing that Blizzard wanted to give people access to high level play in all the regions during Primetime without having to pay for VOD's or watching SC2 at odd times of the day(morning for Euro's and in the middle of the night for Americans). If they wanted it to be strictly Americans or Europeans in each of the tournaments there is literally nothing stopping them from doing that if that was their main motivation. What server the games are played on doesn't matter one bit except for inconveniencing players for no reason. The entire thing will be offline eventually but you might as well make the best out of a rushed situation and not further worsen games with increased lag between players who are literally in the same city. If that's the case why even lock participants to one region? Why not let the top players of the world play in each region so all region's get to see the actual best play in the world, and not the ones that are currently struggling to make code s. | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
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Dracid
United States280 Posts
On May 01 2013 17:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote: People are childish and ignorant, Dracid, that false sense of punishment at least brings some form of satisfaction for these pathetic "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" posters. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Hate your beloved pros for not being good enough to make it. Better yet, hate Blizzard if you disagree with the way in which they designed their league, or hate MLG for taking the simple idea of an online qualifier and fucking up on a level we hadn't seen before. Don't hate the Koreans who are doing nothing but looking after their own interests while still playing this game at the highest level possible. It's just sad really. I can't think of a single person that this rule benefits. There is literally no upside to it, yet it seems like a majority of people are for it. Disagreeing with Blizzard for how they structured WCS NA is understandable. Supporting rules that don't make sense because you're angry just comes off as petty and spiteful. | ||
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TumNarDok
Germany854 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
Matches are played live, and ensuring that it is in NA, the observer will not have lag. Sure it sucks for the players and won't help to increase the quality of the games, but that is the price you pay for playing in a region you don't live in. There are things about the WCS AM that are far more worthy of our wrath. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On May 01 2013 17:09 Plexa wrote: There's absolutely no harm to the Korean players as a result of forcing a KR-KR match to be played on NA (assuming the lag is stable from both houses, which sometimes can be an issues). The people who end up hurting the most in this are the viewers who get to watch a pretty average game instead of a really good game. Once again, we're not talking about forcing NA players to play on the Korean server - only making it acceptable for KR-KR matches to be played there. The health of the US SC2 scene is a moot point in this issue. Blizzard's goals here are irrelevant to this debate. There are faults with their system, but they just aren't relevant to this situation and belong in another debate. Actually, the 'flying out' is done at the expense of teams (costs are only covered when the players reside in the Americas). The region where the live event is held is important because that was aimed to be the deterrent for players from other regions to participate in WCS America -- obviously in practice it just prevented players without backing in participating. The goal (basically) was to replicate the GSL outside of Korea, and the live portion is a part of that. That is why the studio does matter. You're really stretching things, though, to say that letting KR-KR matches be played on KR will lead to WCS America being played entirely in Korea. As I've tried to reiterate many times - NA-KR matches (and any match involving a NA player) is still played on the NA server. Nothing changes there. Sure, again I can appreciate why they are upholding the rule. Just that I don't think it's a particularly good rule and one that should be change (and that no sane person should be championing this rule as a great thing). Again, this is people misunderstanding the issue as a NA-KR issue, rather than KR-KR only. No, I realize that this is an issue solely concerning KR players. But, nevertheless, you're asking the tournament to accommodate the players not situated in the US. Even if it's by something as insignificant as making the jump to different servers in between series (from NY, so there could be issues with this approach after all). I also know that the travel costs to the US are upheld by teams. That doesn't change the rationale of the argument. A tournament in a crowd-less studio might just as well be held in SK as in the US if it is more convenient. As far as I can tell, it's a logical extension of your argument - that this is solely an issue between players situated in SK. Well, it's not unlikely that the off-line parts of WCS AM will be just that. But (also) again, this will obviously not happen. I think the rules probably will change and players based in other regions be allowed to play their games on their home server. At this point, as I initially wrote, what harm can it do to change it? Outside of conditions for the casters, I would say none. But I also think you're overstating the consequences of playing on the US server for the Koreans. The quality of the games will be decided by many other factors than the delay between KR and US. As a final note, I think it would suit you if your argument was made with a bit more humility. Whether or not you consider a change of the rules the natural outcome of the dispute, you're asking the tournament to accommodate the SK based players in a situation where these players are causing a huge headache for the organizers. And also, it would suit you to own up to your own interest in the situation and not simply hide behind the outragey: "think of the viewers!". Players prefer to play with low rather than high ping/delay. Obviously they would want to minimize that delay when possible. I imagine that includes the players on TL. But thanks for replying to my post in good spirit, I realize it was confrontational. But I think that the blame of the failing of WCS AM tend to fall solely on Blizzard, when the foreign teams with Korean players have plenty to bear. I think there's a lack of owning up to that responsibility. And I think your argument being made in the somewhat oblivious tone of "can't they see that it's the only right thing to do?" is reflective of that. | ||
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thepotatoman
United States73 Posts
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
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