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On April 25 2013 17:49 jaydee81 wrote:
I know a lot of people feel very different about this, but I am really put off by the amount of Koreans and it will make me less likely to follow WCS.
I know the argument of the other side, wanting to "see only the best". Fine. I grew up with soccer and you normally don't just go and root for the best... you have a team you like for geografical reasons or values or whatever and stick with it through thick and thin. I hope they make some adjustments to the current system.
Yup. Why even have "regional" qualifiers if you're gonna let everyone register for them?
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On April 25 2013 17:53 xtruder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 17:49 jaydee81 wrote:
I know a lot of people feel very different about this, but I am really put off by the amount of Koreans and it will make me less likely to follow WCS.
I know the argument of the other side, wanting to "see only the best". Fine. I grew up with soccer and you normally don't just go and root for the best... you have a team you like for geografical reasons or values or whatever and stick with it through thick and thin. I hope they make some adjustments to the current system. Yup. Why even have "regional" qualifiers if you're gonna let everyone register for them?
Who claimed that the qualifiers were regional? It was called "NA" because it played on the NA server...
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Blizzard aren't aware of the power of drops.
In multiplayer and in real life.
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On April 25 2013 17:43 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 16:19 Vorenius wrote:On April 25 2013 15:12 Weirdkid wrote:On April 25 2013 14:57 jalen wrote:On April 25 2013 14:48 Weirdkid wrote:On April 25 2013 14:24 jalen wrote:On April 25 2013 14:16 Weirdkid wrote:On April 25 2013 14:03 jalen wrote:On April 25 2013 14:00 Weirdkid wrote:On April 25 2013 13:59 jalen wrote:
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Invited players + 512 > 512, only 512 player played, Means someone got kicked. Invited players part of 512 = No one got kicked?  If invited players are part of 512，YES. But they are not. They registered so late, 1000 + Yes, but being invited and registering early isn't linked. If the player was invited, it means that MLG has already set aside a place within the 512 for them (They did say that 64 slots would be for invited players). Unfortunately, MLG did not do that. OZ,JYP, alive, lots of koreans register themselves, late. They force MLG have to randomly kicked someone in top 512, which include one of my friend register just one hour after the register time started. If they have set aside 64 spots for invites, it means they will only take in the first 448 players that are not invited and registered, not 512. The invited players, when they registered, no matter how late, could then be placed the 64 reserved spots. Yes? Of course, we don't know exactly who were invited, but I'd say Oz, JYP, alive, would probably be amongst them because of their fame or because of their team. I also don't know if my explanation is what exactly took place, but based on the MLG registration rules, I feel it does seem to be this way. No, they randomly kicked players they want to kick, not first 448 players. And also they should clearly anounce that we are picking top 448 not 512. What we are arguing here is MLG rule is suck. As i mention before, my friend register just one hour after the registration began (top 100).He is just some random people rank higer master in KR master, GM in NA? not a progamer. I'm not arguing with you I'm just trying to explain to you my point of view. Yes, the rules could definitely be explained clearer, but I do believe that it is clear enough in its current state for people to understand that there will be a total of 512 players in the qualifiers, with 64 spots amongst these 512 spots reserved for invited players. Regarding your friend, if you really have sufficient evidence to believe that he's one of the first 100 players who registered, then I've got nothing else to say about that. At this point I don't think anyone believes that the rules weren't upheld, but that's not the issue. The piss poor rules are the issue. Random gold/plat league guys getting a spot in arguably the most important qualifier in SC2 so far, while high profile chinese pro's were excluded, is inexcusable. Having 512 spots for an open WCS America qualifier, even though the EU counterpart had thousands of registrated players, is inexcusable. MLG or Blizzard hasn't even in the slightest acknowledged any of these issues. They've been busy justifying their actions by saying "see, the rules were upheld". Well, guess what? The rules are the fucking problem in the first place! You only read my last comment without looking at the conversation history didn't you..?
All your posts are about trying to explain the rules.
I then claim the enforcing of the rules wasn't the problem, but the rules being awful was the problem.
What makes you think I didn't read your comments?
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This is madness!!!!! NOOOOO this is MLG!!!!!!!!!! ↓
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On April 25 2013 16:54 Dracid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 16:48 JustPassingBy wrote:
Hm, the information in the interview somehow contradicts with the statement of Edison, where Koreans who signed up later were admitted before the Chinese players who signed up earlier... can we have some kind of update on that...? Doesn't contradict anything. The Koreans were seeded into the qualifiers because they have EG backing, the Chinese players were given nothing because who gives a fuck about Chinese players?
That is what I was referring to, the interview says nothing about seeds for later players into the tournament...
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They know that they have to use the word "storyline" at least.
Already an overused meme, but I still like it 
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On April 25 2013 18:02 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 17:43 Weirdkid wrote:On April 25 2013 16:19 Vorenius wrote:On April 25 2013 15:12 Weirdkid wrote:On April 25 2013 14:57 jalen wrote:On April 25 2013 14:48 Weirdkid wrote:On April 25 2013 14:24 jalen wrote:On April 25 2013 14:16 Weirdkid wrote:On April 25 2013 14:03 jalen wrote:On April 25 2013 14:00 Weirdkid wrote:[quote] Invited players part of 512 = No one got kicked? If invited players are part of 512，YES. But they are not. They registered so late, 1000 + Yes, but being invited and registering early isn't linked. If the player was invited, it means that MLG has already set aside a place within the 512 for them (They did say that 64 slots would be for invited players). Unfortunately, MLG did not do that. OZ,JYP, alive, lots of koreans register themselves, late. They force MLG have to randomly kicked someone in top 512, which include one of my friend register just one hour after the register time started. If they have set aside 64 spots for invites, it means they will only take in the first 448 players that are not invited and registered, not 512. The invited players, when they registered, no matter how late, could then be placed the 64 reserved spots. Yes? Of course, we don't know exactly who were invited, but I'd say Oz, JYP, alive, would probably be amongst them because of their fame or because of their team. I also don't know if my explanation is what exactly took place, but based on the MLG registration rules, I feel it does seem to be this way. No, they randomly kicked players they want to kick, not first 448 players. And also they should clearly anounce that we are picking top 448 not 512. What we are arguing here is MLG rule is suck. As i mention before, my friend register just one hour after the registration began (top 100).He is just some random people rank higer master in KR master, GM in NA? not a progamer. I'm not arguing with you I'm just trying to explain to you my point of view. Yes, the rules could definitely be explained clearer, but I do believe that it is clear enough in its current state for people to understand that there will be a total of 512 players in the qualifiers, with 64 spots amongst these 512 spots reserved for invited players. Regarding your friend, if you really have sufficient evidence to believe that he's one of the first 100 players who registered, then I've got nothing else to say about that. At this point I don't think anyone believes that the rules weren't upheld, but that's not the issue. The piss poor rules are the issue. Random gold/plat league guys getting a spot in arguably the most important qualifier in SC2 so far, while high profile chinese pro's were excluded, is inexcusable. Having 512 spots for an open WCS America qualifier, even though the EU counterpart had thousands of registrated players, is inexcusable. MLG or Blizzard hasn't even in the slightest acknowledged any of these issues. They've been busy justifying their actions by saying "see, the rules were upheld". Well, guess what? The rules are the fucking problem in the first place! You only read my last comment without looking at the conversation history didn't you..? All your posts are about trying to explain the rules. I then claim the enforcing of the rules wasn't the problem, but the rules being awful was the problem. What makes you think I didn't read your comments?
Because the person I was talking to was saying stuff like "Invited players + 512 > 512, only 512 player played, Means someone got kicked.", and so it's kinda clear that he might not understand the system with the 64 reserved spots, and so I was explaining it to him.
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I like how the response of how the premier league qualifier is a disaster was basically that you can still try and get into the challenger league and that will be better.
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Related to the first qualifier, within the current tournament system, entry is on a first–come, first-served basis, and the first 512 players were admitted. The Chinese players (including Comm) unfortunately registered later than others which placed them back in the cue
this part makes me fucking mad already.
they made exceptions for koreans that registered late but deny it or what
also lol @ this
The stated goals of the WCS were to identify the world's best StarCraft II player through a unified, global structure that also prevents scheduling conflicts between major tournaments.
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The WCS America Invite-Only Challenger Qualifier is currently scheduled on the same weekend as DreamHack Stockholm.
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On April 25 2013 17:16 Dracid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 16:56 Rannasha wrote:On April 25 2013 16:47 Rossing wrote:
also, lets compare kitty and demu a bit here
Demuslim:
2nd Samsung European Encounter €800
2nd 2012 World Championship Series: United Kingdom Nationals $3,000 + Paid
(Demuslim really didn't perform well in wcs nono)
Hellokitty
AGL-August Invitational 4th place which was low enough that he didn't even win any money for it (500$ tourney)
So really, come on man
Demuslim: Not a citizen of the Americas, so competes for one of eight spots reserved for "outsiders", including some top Koreans. Hellokitty: American, so competes for one of sixteen spots reserved for citizens of the Americas. Why Hellokitty got in and Demuslim didn't is perfectly understandable given that they announced this 16 / 8 split between locals and outsiders in advance. Comm: 1st WCS China 2012 $6000 13th-16th WCS Asia 2012 $800 PiG: 1st WCS Australia 2012 $6000 5th-6th WCS Oceania 2012 $600 Why didn't either of these two get seeds over Hellokitty? WCS KR requires you to be there in person (on top of being hilariously more difficult than any other region), and latency means WCS EU is out of the question. That leaves WCS America for the SEA/China regions, and yet they only get two "outsider" seeds to Sen and Moonglade. How do you really justify seeding players like Maker, Capoch, theognis, State, etc. who have very few accomplishments in 2012 over WCS national winners? That the national winners don't even get a seed into the qualifiers is just embarrassing.
You are right about Comm and PiG that they should have been directly invited but they shouldn't have been invited over Hellokitty (because he's from the Americas) but over European and Korean invites who can participate in their own regions.
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This whole thing about Demuslim is just silly, Blizzard has absolutely no leg to stand on after inviting Snute to NA prem on any argument against the much MUCH more accomplished Demuslim. I'd much more appreciate that MLG came out and admitted they made a mistake but that it's to late to fix now, that would show some real integrity. But what company has any of that these days?
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On April 25 2013 18:50 Krogan wrote:
This whole thing about Demuslim is just silly, Blizzard has absolutely no leg to stand on after inviting Snute to NA prem on any argument against the much MUCH more accomplished Demuslim. I'd much more appreciate that MLG came out and admitted they made a mistake but that it's to late to fix now, that would show some real integrity. But what company has any of that these days?
not sure if serious
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Snute/Results
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DeMusliM/Results
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On April 25 2013 18:22 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +Related to the first qualifier, within the current tournament system, entry is on a first–come, first-served basis, and the first 512 players were admitted. The Chinese players (including Comm) unfortunately registered later than others which placed them back in the cue this part makes me fucking mad already. they made exceptions for koreans that registered late but deny it or what also lol @ this Show nested quote +The stated goals of the WCS were to identify the world's best StarCraft II player through a unified, global structure that also prevents scheduling conflicts between major tournaments. + Show nested quote +The WCS America Invite-Only Challenger Qualifier is currently scheduled on the same weekend as DreamHack Stockholm.
Well, pretty much all of the Non-European players playing in DH should be invited already, so no reason for them to participate in the event that clashes with DreamHack.
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I like how Slasher still hasn't realized that Comm isn't on iG anymore and hasn't been for almost a year now.
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This statement is a slap in the face for demuslim :[
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On April 25 2013 17:53 xtruder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 17:49 jaydee81 wrote:
I know a lot of people feel very different about this, but I am really put off by the amount of Koreans and it will make me less likely to follow WCS.
I know the argument of the other side, wanting to "see only the best". Fine. I grew up with soccer and you normally don't just go and root for the best... you have a team you like for geografical reasons or values or whatever and stick with it through thick and thin. I hope they make some adjustments to the current system. Yup. Why even have "regional" qualifiers if you're gonna let everyone register for them?
I agree with this. I want to support Europeans and especially Brits like DeMuslim. Yes I can admire Korean like I can Brazil in soccer. Does not mean I want to ONLY watch Brazil because they are the best, especially over my own country or even continent.
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All those players who have been wronged can play in the open qualifiers. Wow thank you so much. It's not like they could have done that anyway.
This seems silly. Or am I missing something?
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On April 25 2013 19:07 Sjokola wrote:
All those players who have been wronged can play in the open qualifiers. Wow thank you so much. It's not like they could have done that anyway.
This seems silly. Or am I missing something?
The qualifiers are not open, they are capped at 512 players and the rest can screw themselves again.
Though this time, the players that have been screwed last time, will get a seed in this qualifier.
edit: Though what was that about Comm playing in this qualifier-qualifier?
Assuming his high finish hasn't become void with his disqualification, he should be invited into the Code A qualifier.
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On April 25 2013 09:40 Disco.stu. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 09:33 calippo wrote:On April 25 2013 09:27 nkr wrote:On April 25 2013 09:24 calippo wrote:
Still missing alot of information regarding almost everything, but what can you expect from a rushed project. What i find funny is that you actually have to cheat in a really big online tournament to get banned for map/drop hacking, that is how much Blizzard cares about doing something about it, disgusting. They are so far behind in all their games with "anticheat" T.T. what game developer is ahead of them in anticheating? ESL spent alot of money on a anticheat called ESL Wire for CS:GO (maybe works for other games aswell not sure), ESEA (CS:GO / 1.6 / TF2 maybe some more) has their own anticheat aswell. With how much money Blizzard makes on WoW for the last 6-7 years it shouldnt take them 6-12 months to ban people from botting in d3 / WoW and map/drop hacking in sc2. I mean there is even a thread on this site that does a better job at spotting hackers then Blizzard themselfs, that is how far behind they are, if they even care about. Dont get me wrong, you cant stop hacking 100% but you can atleast try and do something about it and not just ignore it. edit: yes these are not game developers they are leagues, which has less money then a HUGE company like Blizzard has. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software)Warden runs alongside most modern blizzard games and detects known hacks and illegal game modifications. It is not perfect, but is much better than whatever anti-hack system Valve has on their Counterstrike games. In fact, I remember the hacking scene from wc3 ladder pretty much died after Warden was released. Try to do some research before you rage.
Not to be petty, but Wc3 ladder died because of hackers. Warden is dramatically ineffective. Try to do some research, please.
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