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Note: TeamLiquid's interview with iG's manager was done after questions were sent over, and I have asked followups regarding what he said, but nothing back on that. I was given only a limited amount of questions, but I don't think there is much else more that will be said.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-and-mlg-respond-to-wcs-na-qualifier-concerns-6407510
Why was Evil Geniuses’ Benjamin “DeMusliM” Baker not invited to either the North America or European WCS? Additionally, was there any discussion of disqualifying DeMusliM due to his revealing tweets of results at the end of the tournament?
Blizzard, MLG, and ESL jointly analyzed 2012 global performance results to determine invites for the WCS Season 1 Premier League in America and Europe. In the end, DeMusliM didn't perform well enough in 2012 competitions to receive a seed. He's been competing fantastically well on ladder and we hope to see him compete up through Challenger level and perhaps get to Premier League through that route. As for questions about a DQ, there was no discussion about disqualifying DeMusliM for anything he said on Twitter.
Eight Korean players qualified through WCS America, seemingly the opposite of the intended approach of these qualifiers to begin with. Is this considered a problem right now? What can be done to rectify this?
The stated goals of the WCS were to identify the world's best StarCraft II player through a unified, global structure that also prevents scheduling conflicts between major tournaments. The unified point system was also there to create a storyline for viewers that is easy to understand and establishes meaning from one event to another. Finally, we wanted to maintain players' freedom to compete where they wish. This is a system with a predictable schedule where players could choose where to compete within the system, and have the freedom to compete in tournaments outside the system as well.
Blizzard knew that some players from other regions would opt to compete outside their "home," for various reasons. The extent to which this happened was a little higher than expected, but this is likely to normalize over time. Picking up and moving to a different country is a life decision that's not made lightly. That said, we will be monitoring what happens over the course of the year, and will be open to making adjustments if needed.
More questions and answers in the link above.
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Do they even realize you don't need to "pick up and move to a different country" to play in WCS outside of your region?
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I don't agree with those reasons stated about not seeding demuslim. Did hello kitty really accomplish more than him? I mean, nothing against him, but the two aren't very comparable.
at least we are getting some kind of response.
Edit: regarding China: didn't they already show that chinese players registered before several korean players who were admitted? These reasons are really disappointing, and some of them don't even address things that have already been said. Blizzard and MLG are being really, really evasive about some questions and it's seriously hurting them.
Some invitees - Goswser, Hellokitty, and Capoch. Demuslim has made it through 2? I think NASLs, and while he didn't place as highly as these players in their respective WCS tourneys (Goswser hasn't even made one! All he did was beat MVP in iron squid 2, which is a fantastic result. But it isn't anything more difficult than what Demuslim has done), the tournaments he has participated in are all arguably significantly more difficult. They just screwed up, plain and simple. I'm not taking anything away from anybody, but the notion that he "didn't perform well enough in 2012" is stupid. He went 7-1 in a group with MMA, Sen, Finale, and Stephano in NASL S4, 3-0'd Sen, and lost 2-3 to Violet (who got second btw). He made it to the playoffs in NASL S2 and S3 as well iirc.
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Still missing alot of information regarding almost everything, but what can you expect from a rushed project. What i find funny is that you actually have to cheat in a really big online tournament to get banned for map/drop hacking, that is how much Blizzard cares about doing something about it, disgusting. They are so far behind in all their games with "anticheat" T.T.
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The logic behind the Demuslim choice is clearly lacking, but thanks for the information Slasher.
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On April 25 2013 09:24 calippo wrote:
Still missing alot of information regarding almost everything, but what can you expect from a rushed project. What i find funny is that you actually have to cheat in a really big online tournament to get banned for map/drop hacking, that is how much Blizzard cares about doing something about it, disgusting. They are so far behind in all their games with "anticheat" T.T.
what (major) game developer is ahead of them in anticheating?
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The extent to which this happened was a little higher than expected, but this is likely to normalize over time. Picking up and moving to a different country is a life decision that's not made lightly.
A little higher than expected? lmao Give me a frigging break. Besides that, they don't necessarily have to move there to compete. They can fly in for the LAN stuff. I wonder what other golden nuggets I'm going to find when I read the entire interview. I rather hear about any affirmative action they will be taking to correct their wrongdoings. Just finished reading your article Rob. A lot shorter than I expected and it left me wanting more. ~_~
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On April 25 2013 09:27 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 09:24 calippo wrote:
Still missing alot of information regarding almost everything, but what can you expect from a rushed project. What i find funny is that you actually have to cheat in a really big online tournament to get banned for map/drop hacking, that is how much Blizzard cares about doing something about it, disgusting. They are so far behind in all their games with "anticheat" T.T. what game developer is ahead of them in anticheating?
ESL spent alot of money on a anticheat called ESL Wire for CS:GO (maybe works for other games aswell not sure), ESEA (CS:GO / 1.6 / TF2 maybe some more) has their own anticheat aswell. With how much money Blizzard makes on WoW for the last 6-7 years it shouldnt take them 6-12 months to ban people from botting in d3 / WoW and map/drop hacking in sc2. I mean there is even a thread on this site that does a better job at spotting hackers then Blizzard themselfs, that is how far behind they are, if they even care about. Dont get me wrong, you cant stop hacking 100% but you can atleast try and do something about it and not just ignore it.
edit: yes these are not game developers they are leagues, which has less money then a HUGE company like Blizzard has.
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This is just smoke screening. There was no real meat in their words just two companies trying to avoid blame.
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Ah, good thing they got more accomplished players such as Capoch, Hellokitty and Fenix instead of Demuslim in that case.
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On April 25 2013 09:33 calippo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 09:27 nkr wrote:On April 25 2013 09:24 calippo wrote:
Still missing alot of information regarding almost everything, but what can you expect from a rushed project. What i find funny is that you actually have to cheat in a really big online tournament to get banned for map/drop hacking, that is how much Blizzard cares about doing something about it, disgusting. They are so far behind in all their games with "anticheat" T.T. what game developer is ahead of them in anticheating? ESL spent alot of money on a anticheat called ESL Wire for CS:GO (maybe works for other games aswell not sure), ESEA (CS:GO / 1.6 / TF2 maybe some more) has their own anticheat aswell. With how much money Blizzard makes on WoW for the last 6-7 years it shouldnt take them 6-12 months to ban people from botting in d3 / WoW and map/drop hacking in sc2. I mean there is even a thread on this site that does a better job at spotting hackers then Blizzard themselfs, that is how far behind they are, if they even care about. Dont get me wrong, you cant stop hacking 100% but you can atleast try and do something about it and not just ignore it. edit: yes these are not game developers they are leagues, which has less money then a HUGE company like Blizzard has.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software)
Warden runs alongside most modern blizzard games and detects known hacks and illegal game modifications. It is not perfect, but is much better than whatever anti-hack system Valve has on their Counterstrike games. In fact, I remember the hacking scene from wc3 ladder pretty much died after Warden was released. Try to do some research before you rage.
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On April 25 2013 09:38 Dexington wrote:
Ah, good thing they got more accomplished players such as Capoch, Hellokitty and Fenix instead of Demuslim in that case.
But he wasn't competing against them for the spot, he was competing against Sen, Snute, + Koreans.
If Demu could get an "American" invite just because he lives in the US, then every single Code B korean could just move there as well and get the spot seeing as they have better achivements than Demuslims Ro8 loser bracket finish at MLG
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but they don't use warden in the way of kill them with fire as soon as spotted but more in the way of lets watch for a long period of time and ban in big waves.
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So wait, what did you do? Ask them questions then smash the answers together? That's not how an interview works. It's really rather confusing - I don't know who said what, and I don't know who to smack in the face with my virtual e-peen.
I've never been in this situation before. I'm angry at either MLG or Blizzard, but I don't know who because the interview was formatted so incorrectly.
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lol like what Naniwa said many MLGs ago, joke tournament. Hasn't changed I guess.
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On April 25 2013 09:43 saksy2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 09:38 Dexington wrote:
Ah, good thing they got more accomplished players such as Capoch, Hellokitty and Fenix instead of Demuslim in that case. But he wasn't competing against them for the spot, he was competing against Sen, Snute, + Koreans. If Demu could get an "American" invite just because he lives in the US, then every single Code B korean could just move there as well and get the spot seeing as they have better achivements than Demuslims Ro8 loser bracket finish at MLG
I don't think most of the Code B Koreans have any results actually, since all they do is stay in Korea in code B. You're also ignoring Demuslim's IEM and NASL performances.
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On April 25 2013 09:45 Mauldo wrote:
So wait, what did you do? Ask them questions then smash the answers together? That's not how an interview works. It's really rather confusing - I don't know who said what, and I don't know who to smack in the face with my virtual e-peen.
I've never been in this situation before. I'm angry at either MLG or Blizzard, but I don't know who because the interview was formatted so incorrectly.
Ah, to clarify, the answers were jointly answered by both Blizzard and MLG at the same time, answers given as representatives from the companies, no specific person involved.
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On April 25 2013 09:40 Disco.stu. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 09:33 calippo wrote:On April 25 2013 09:27 nkr wrote:On April 25 2013 09:24 calippo wrote:
Still missing alot of information regarding almost everything, but what can you expect from a rushed project. What i find funny is that you actually have to cheat in a really big online tournament to get banned for map/drop hacking, that is how much Blizzard cares about doing something about it, disgusting. They are so far behind in all their games with "anticheat" T.T. what game developer is ahead of them in anticheating? ESL spent alot of money on a anticheat called ESL Wire for CS:GO (maybe works for other games aswell not sure), ESEA (CS:GO / 1.6 / TF2 maybe some more) has their own anticheat aswell. With how much money Blizzard makes on WoW for the last 6-7 years it shouldnt take them 6-12 months to ban people from botting in d3 / WoW and map/drop hacking in sc2. I mean there is even a thread on this site that does a better job at spotting hackers then Blizzard themselfs, that is how far behind they are, if they even care about. Dont get me wrong, you cant stop hacking 100% but you can atleast try and do something about it and not just ignore it. edit: yes these are not game developers they are leagues, which has less money then a HUGE company like Blizzard has. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software)Warden runs alongside most modern blizzard games and detects known hacks and illegal game modifications. It is not perfect, but is much better than whatever anti-hack system Valve has on their Counterstrike games. In fact, I remember the hacking scene from wc3 ladder pretty much died after Warden was released. Try to do some research before you rage.
I know about Warden, i also know people that has been botting in diablo 3 since the first bot came out. They are still playing on the same account to this day. What does that say about warden? its complete shit. Everytime warden updates you can download a new bot a few hours later that is 100% safe. I complained about a company that has so much money not trying harder to stop cheating in their games, maybe you call that rage but i dont agree with that.
edit: What i am trying to say here is basiclly that Blizzard could do so much more about hacks then they currently are doing.
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On April 25 2013 09:45 Cayn wrote:
but they don't use warden in the way of kill them with fire as soon as spotted but more in the way of lets watch for a long period of time and ban in big waves.
Yeah, as I understand it, if Warden detects anything weird, it flags you, and then at some point after that, could be months after, blizzard bans everyone that is flagged. Maybe now they'll just check tournament players before the first game is played to see if they have been flagged by Warden, and if so, they will just not allow them to play. They said they're working on something, who knows what that might be. But to say they don't care about hacking or that they are years behind other organizations in their anti-hacking policy, is just ignorant.
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On April 25 2013 09:23 Esoterikk wrote:
Do they even realize you don't need to "pick up and move to a different country" to play in WCS outside of your region?
I think it's clear that after this year, they intend to move more of the WCS offline over time.
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