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jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
April 25 2013 04:38 GMT
#61
On April 25 2013 11:06 coverpunch wrote:
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On April 25 2013 11:03 illidanx wrote:
On April 25 2013 10:58 coverpunch wrote:
On April 25 2013 10:02 illidanx wrote:
Still no answer why some Korean players registered after the Chinese players could still play.

Like who?


go ask iG.edison

Then don't act like it's anything more than speculation.

Go to the thread Chinese player left out, you will find the link that point koreans register in 16th.
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
April 25 2013 04:39 GMT
#62
On April 25 2013 10:58 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 10:02 illidanx wrote:
Still no answer why some Korean players registered after the Chinese players could still play.

Like who?

http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/team/egoz like oz
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
Missing-No
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada50 Posts
April 25 2013 04:44 GMT
#63
why are people still crying over demuslim, he's crap to begin with.. get over it

User was warned for this post
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 25 2013 04:45 GMT
#64
The Demuslim decision makes sense. He has less results than the other non NA players who were invited.
DeathProfessor
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1052 Posts
April 25 2013 04:47 GMT
#65
Blizzard called Demuslim a ladder hero basically. They are jerks. Maybe they have had some MIT graduates make a system near to the Aligulac where it shows how good players are and Demu didn't quite make the cut. Who knows, I feel he deserves a casting job for WCS NA so he can get something for the FANS though.

I also wonder how much shit he gets for his name, people don't like religious elements in their games, perhaps people wouldn't pick on him if he was named DeGamer, just a thought.
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
April 25 2013 04:49 GMT
#66
On April 25 2013 13:47 DeathProfessor wrote:
Blizzard called Demuslim a ladder hero basically. They are jerks. Maybe they have had some MIT graduates make a system near to the Aligulac where it shows how good players are and Demu didn't quite make the cut. Who knows, I feel he deserves a casting job for WCS NA so he can get something for the FANS though.

I also wonder how much shit he gets for his name, people don't like religious elements in their games, perhaps people wouldn't pick on him if he was named DeGamer, just a thought.

LOL,that what i thought for a long time, wtf is that name..
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
April 25 2013 04:53 GMT
#67
On April 25 2013 10:02 illidanx wrote:
Still no answer why some Korean players registered after the Chinese players could still play.

Because those Korean players in question were probably invites by MLG?
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
April 25 2013 04:59 GMT
#68
On April 25 2013 13:53 Weirdkid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 10:02 illidanx wrote:
Still no answer why some Korean players registered after the Chinese players could still play.

Because those Korean players in question were probably invites by MLG?

Invited players + 512 > 512, only 512 player played, Means someone got kicked.
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
April 25 2013 05:00 GMT
#69
On April 25 2013 13:59 jalen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 13:53 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 25 2013 10:02 illidanx wrote:
Still no answer why some Korean players registered after the Chinese players could still play.

Because those Korean players in question were probably invites by MLG?

Invited players + 512 > 512, only 512 player played, Means someone got kicked.

Invited players part of 512 = No one got kicked?
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
April 25 2013 05:02 GMT
#70
On April 25 2013 09:53 Penev wrote:
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There were multiple issues regarding the Chinese players including iG's Hui "Comm" Shen being disqualified late in the tournament, and several players not getting into the brackets. What exactly happened here? Will anything be done to accommodate the Chinese players in this qualifier?

First off, we want to apologize for any miscommunication and confusion related to the Chinese players and the qualifier. Players that were unable to participate in the first qualifier and those that were beaten by competitors who were disqualified now have the opportunity to compete in the Open Qualifier for Challenger League that will take place on Saturday, April 27. Registration will open on Thursday, April 25 at 5 p.m. ET online.

Related to the first qualifier, within the current tournament system, entry is on a first–come, first-served basis, and the first 512 players were admitted. The Chinese players (including Comm) unfortunately registered later than others which placed them back in the cue. Admins confirmed they had checked in, not that they were confirmed in the tournament itself. When it was revealed that Comm had gone on to play using another player's account, which is a rules violation, he was disqualified.

This kind of answer annoys me. An apology followed by a summary of the "current tournament system" while it's the tournament system itself that caused the problems and this is what they should apologize for.
Like: "We obviously should have had more/ bigger qualifiers or at least have the higher skilled players prioritized over the lower ones. This should not have happened, we apologize." Geez.
A journalist should not be satisfied with this either and should ask follow up questions.


You have to realize we have journalists like news stations have journalists who ask a president questions...it's always only pre approved soft balls. At least so long as you want exclusive 1 on 1 interviews with developers and leagues. If he went off script and asked truly hard questions and called them out on bullshit he'd never get the exclusives again. Which in turn could lead to the journalist losing their paycheck, who is going to risk that?

The only way we get real in depth journalism is for someone who is independently wealthy to be the one to take up the cause of doing true journalism. That or someone funded by an organization who is willing to strain relationships with devs / leagues to do true journalism.
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jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 05:06:52
April 25 2013 05:03 GMT
#71
On April 25 2013 14:00 Weirdkid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 13:59 jalen wrote:
On April 25 2013 13:53 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 25 2013 10:02 illidanx wrote:
Still no answer why some Korean players registered after the Chinese players could still play.

Because those Korean players in question were probably invites by MLG?

Invited players + 512 > 512, only 512 player played, Means someone got kicked.

Invited players part of 512 = No one got kicked?

If invited players are part of 512,YES. But they are not. They registered so late, 1000 +
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
April 25 2013 05:14 GMT
#72
On April 25 2013 13:53 Weirdkid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 10:02 illidanx wrote:
Still no answer why some Korean players registered after the Chinese players could still play.

Because those Korean players in question were probably invites by MLG?


Question:

1. Did these players of the so-called 64 invites by MLG receive notification ahead of time that they would be able to participate in the tournament?

2. If so, what was the criteria of these 64 invites?

3. Is there even a list of these 64 invites existing before hand?
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Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 05:32:49
April 25 2013 05:16 GMT
#73
On April 25 2013 14:03 jalen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 14:00 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 25 2013 13:59 jalen wrote:
On April 25 2013 13:53 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 25 2013 10:02 illidanx wrote:
Still no answer why some Korean players registered after the Chinese players could still play.

Because those Korean players in question were probably invites by MLG?

Invited players + 512 > 512, only 512 player played, Means someone got kicked.

Invited players part of 512 = No one got kicked?

If invited players are part of 512,YES. But they are not. They registered so late, 1000 +

Yes, but being invited and registering early isn't linked. If the player was invited, it means that MLG has already set aside a place within the 512 for them (They did say that 64 slots would be for invited players).

Edit:
On April 25 2013 14:14 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 13:53 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 25 2013 10:02 illidanx wrote:
Still no answer why some Korean players registered after the Chinese players could still play.

Because those Korean players in question were probably invites by MLG?


Question:

1. Did these players of the so-called 64 invites by MLG receive notification ahead of time that they would be able to participate in the tournament?

2. If so, what was the criteria of these 64 invites?

3. Is there even a list of these 64 invites existing before hand?

These are very good questions that MLG should probably answer. I'm not aware of any list of the 64 invites (based on the information on this forum). I very vaguely remember seeing something in this forum that wrote about one of the criteria being the player's team (i.e. they'd invite players from teams that had attended MLG before or something like that). Memory about this is very vague though, coz I only gave it a cursory glance. Also not sure about how reliable the post was.

I don't know. I just feel like explaining this particular incident of the late registering Koreans by saying it's due to invites makes more sense than saying MLG is trying to screw over the Chinese players and kicking them out just to make way for the Korean players that registered later.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
April 25 2013 05:24 GMT
#74
On April 25 2013 14:16 Weirdkid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 14:03 jalen wrote:
On April 25 2013 14:00 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 25 2013 13:59 jalen wrote:
On April 25 2013 13:53 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 25 2013 10:02 illidanx wrote:
Still no answer why some Korean players registered after the Chinese players could still play.

Because those Korean players in question were probably invites by MLG?

Invited players + 512 > 512, only 512 player played, Means someone got kicked.

Invited players part of 512 = No one got kicked?

If invited players are part of 512,YES. But they are not. They registered so late, 1000 +

Yes, but being invited and registering early isn't linked. If the player was invited, it means that MLG has already set aside a place within the 512 for them (They did say that 64 slots would be for invited players).

Unfortunately, MLG did not do that. OZ,JYP, alive, lots of koreans register themselves, late. They force MLG have to randomly kicked someone in top 512, which include one of my friend register just one hour after the register time started.
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 05:30:10
April 25 2013 05:28 GMT
#75
Never mind, should have read article
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
jiberish
Profile Joined April 2011
80 Posts
April 25 2013 05:33 GMT
#76
What a piss poor response. So many of the invited people are far worse than demuslim.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 05:34:09
April 25 2013 05:33 GMT
#77
On April 25 2013 09:24 Alryk wrote:
I don't agree with those reasons stated about not seeding demuslim. Did hello kitty really accomplish more than him? I mean, nothing against him, but the two aren't very comparable.

at least we are getting some kind of response.

Edit: regarding China: didn't they already show that chinese players registered before several korean players who were admitted? These reasons are really disappointing, and some of them don't even address things that have already been said. Blizzard and MLG are being really, really evasive about some questions and it's seriously hurting them.

Some invitees - Goswser, Hellokitty, and Capoch. Demuslim has made it through 2? I think NASLs, and while he didn't place as highly as these players in their respective WCS tourneys (Goswser hasn't even made one! All he did was beat MVP in iron squid 2, which is a fantastic result. But it isn't anything more difficult than what Demuslim has done), the tournaments he has participated in are all arguably significantly more difficult. They just screwed up, plain and simple. I'm not taking anything away from anybody, but the notion that he "didn't perform well enough in 2012" is stupid. He went 7-1 in a group with MMA, Sen, Finale, and Stephano in NASL S4, 3-0'd Sen, and lost 2-3 to Violet (who got second btw). He made it to the playoffs in NASL S2 and S3 as well iirc.


they are NOT in the same issue (hellokitty and demuslim) why no one read the god damn thing
there was i dont know 24 ? americans and demuslim as far as i know is no, and then 8 foreign slots.
the foreign slots went to nestea, moonglade, sen, snute and few other koreans

all of them did better 2012, moonglade foreign rank 1 atm etc etc, so you have to see demuslim vs this 8 and demuslim did NOTHING compared to them, he is a monster but he didnt SHOW it so far last year

On April 25 2013 14:33 jiberish wrote:
What a piss poor response. So many of the invited people are far worse than demuslim.


same for you READ the rules
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ladytr0n
Profile Joined October 2010
United States51 Posts
April 25 2013 05:40 GMT
#78
For all the people complaining about DeMuslim not getting a spot... I am sure all the young kids and silver level SC2 players were shocked by a rank 1 GM NA not getting selected ... however ... if you look at the tournament results for DeMuslim over the last 2 years, it is very very bad. You will easily understand and agree with WCS' choice in not giving him a direct spot. Doing it online is one thing, but doing it on LAN is where he has failed time and time again.
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Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
April 25 2013 05:48 GMT
#79
On April 25 2013 14:24 jalen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 14:16 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 25 2013 14:03 jalen wrote:
On April 25 2013 14:00 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 25 2013 13:59 jalen wrote:
On April 25 2013 13:53 Weirdkid wrote:
On April 25 2013 10:02 illidanx wrote:
Still no answer why some Korean players registered after the Chinese players could still play.

Because those Korean players in question were probably invites by MLG?

Invited players + 512 > 512, only 512 player played, Means someone got kicked.

Invited players part of 512 = No one got kicked?

If invited players are part of 512,YES. But they are not. They registered so late, 1000 +

Yes, but being invited and registering early isn't linked. If the player was invited, it means that MLG has already set aside a place within the 512 for them (They did say that 64 slots would be for invited players).

Unfortunately, MLG did not do that. OZ,JYP, alive, lots of koreans register themselves, late. They force MLG have to randomly kicked someone in top 512, which include one of my friend register just one hour after the register time started.

If they have set aside 64 spots for invites, it means they will only take in the first 448 players that are not invited and registered, not 512.

The invited players, when they registered, no matter how late, could then be placed the 64 reserved spots. Yes?

Of course, we don't know exactly who were invited, but I'd say Oz, JYP, alive, would probably be amongst them because of their fame or because of their team. I also don't know if my explanation is what exactly took place, but based on the MLG registration rules, I feel it does seem to be this way.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 05:57:50
April 25 2013 05:50 GMT
#80
On April 25 2013 14:40 ladytr0n wrote:
For all the people complaining about DeMuslim not getting a spot... I am sure all the young kids and silver level SC2 players were shocked by a rank 1 GM NA not getting selected ... however ... if you look at the tournament results for DeMuslim over the last 2 years, it is very very bad. You will easily understand and agree with WCS' choice in not giving him a direct spot. Doing it online is one thing, but doing it on LAN is where he has failed time and time again.

Agree, ranking in NA server doesn't tell anything. We can see IG.macsed, Polt got 90% winning ratio at NA server, but they are not No.1 Ranking on the ladder..
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
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