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On April 26 2013 01:09 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 01:05 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 01:00 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 26 2013 00:48 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 00:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 23:33 Shinta) wrote:On April 25 2013 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 22:53 Dhays9 wrote:On April 25 2013 22:09 DavoS wrote:On April 25 2013 21:51 Nimic wrote:
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No, but they are more accomplished than DeMusliM, so they got the nod. I guess Sen is a toss-up, but it no doubt helps that his country doesn't actually have its own WCS. Neither does China, and we see how that went for them :-( And if we're going on "more accomplished," to defend why they got seeds, then I'm right back at the start wondering why Maker and HelloKitty got preference over Demuslim. There's just a ton of inconsistent philosophy with how MLG and Blizzard are handling things. I'd say that it's understandable that the first time with a format like this would cause some headaches, but ESL seems to be handling their tournament without major hiccups, so I'm running out of possible explanations for why things are so chaotic What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. Capoch filled in an American invite spot because he's American. As in being from the Americas. DeMusliM is not, and thus cannot fill that spot. The spot that DeMusliM could have filled, he didn't get because the other players were better. Saying that South American players should fill NA spots is like saying Australian players should be invited to an Asian WCS because of proximity. They are two different continents. It's not WCS NA, it's called the WCS America. Im kind of embarrassed at this point because it is actually called WCS America. People have been calling it WCS NA and MLG said that their rules involved inviting "NA" players before others. That is why I was confused. Yeah, unfortunately this WCS system has caused a lot of confusion. It's clearly rushed. But it can only get better. Yeah I imagine their will still be more growing pains. Plus I imagine Demuslim will qualify in challenger because he got so close in Premier league.
I hope you're right about the Demuslim. Damn, why didn't he just apply for the WCS EU; I'm sure he would have been given an invite. I feel he and/ or EG made a huge mistake.
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On April 26 2013 01:11 DavoS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 00:48 LingBlingBling wrote:On April 26 2013 00:12 DavoS wrote:On April 25 2013 22:53 Dhays9 wrote:On April 25 2013 22:09 DavoS wrote:On April 25 2013 21:51 Nimic wrote:On April 25 2013 21:44 DavoS wrote:On April 25 2013 21:28 Dhays9 wrote:On April 25 2013 21:19 DavoS wrote:On April 25 2013 09:23 Esoterikk wrote:
Do they even realize you don't need to "pick up and move to a different country" to play in WCS outside of your region? After the RO32 I believe you actually do have to be present for the LAN portion of the event. And the idea that Capoch, HelloKitty, Maker and State were at any point outperforming Demuslim is a massive load of shitake mushrooms It doesn't matter if Demuslim did better than them or not. He is not considered on NA invite list as he did not compete in an WCS qualifier that took place in NA or SA last year so be was lumped in with 8 "others". And NesTea, Sen, and Ryung and Snute did compete in NA/SA qualifiers last year? No, but they are more accomplished than DeMusliM, so they got the nod. I guess Sen is a toss-up, but it no doubt helps that his country doesn't actually have its own WCS. Neither does China, and we see how that went for them :-( And if we're going on "more accomplished," to defend why they got seeds, then I'm right back at the start wondering why Maker and HelloKitty got preference over Demuslim. There's just a ton of inconsistent philosophy with how MLG and Blizzard are handling things. I'd say that it's understandable that the first time with a format like this would cause some headaches, but ESL seems to be handling their tournament without major hiccups, so I'm running out of possible explanations for why things are so chaotic What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. Ok, that's a fair point on the Demuslim issue. But I'm still miffed about HelloKitty and TheOgnis and Capoch and Maker because they weren't the highest placing players last time around for WCS. What about Insur and Major and Levin, guys who actually made it to BWC? It's not keeping with the idea of "previous WCS qualifier results." I know Levin has another job and all, but i don't see a reason to leave Insur out of the loop. And that moonglade invite just kind of throws the entire decision to exclude China into another level of curious eyebrow raising Maker/kitty/theogins are all well known strong American players with good past results, people on this thread for the most part seem to only follow players from 2012, if you have been following the scene since 2010, you would understand better. And Theogins is a very smart Brood war terran player, who is very strong in starcraft 2 as well, EG has super exposed players due to EG being EG, so other players not on big teams get overshadowed, even tho they are better players atm. Demuslim has not had very good results in WOL and just recently been doing good on the LADDER, ladder means nothing, in actual tourneys, there have been far better players then Demuslim, Demuslim is considered euro, and he is not even close to having the results the Euro terrans have had, such as thorzain, who has done wayyy better then Demuslim on eg. As others mentioned, Demus is considered UK, not USA. I know you guys like to follow his stream, but just because he is a fan fav does not mean he should be seeded over players 10x better then him, like the non Americans who got invited. I'm not implying that those guys are bad or don't deserve to be pros or anything like that, but saying that TheOgnis or Maker are better than Major is laughable. I will admit that TheOgnis' ability in Brood War is something I know nothing about, but I do know that Bisu is all the proof you need that they are different games and skill in one doesn't guarantee skill in the other. And we should be looking at 2012 results primarily. Kiwikaki was great in 2010, but that doesn't mean he deserves a seed, you know? And I've given up on the Demuslim point for the most part, sad as it makes me  my brain isn't ENTIRELY immune from good persuasive arguments
I didn't read all your posts so maybe you're talking about something else but don't you know that Major is invited?
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On April 26 2013 01:16 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 01:11 DavoS wrote:On April 26 2013 00:48 LingBlingBling wrote:On April 26 2013 00:12 DavoS wrote:On April 25 2013 22:53 Dhays9 wrote:On April 25 2013 22:09 DavoS wrote:On April 25 2013 21:51 Nimic wrote:On April 25 2013 21:44 DavoS wrote:On April 25 2013 21:28 Dhays9 wrote:On April 25 2013 21:19 DavoS wrote:
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After the RO32 I believe you actually do have to be present for the LAN portion of the event.
And the idea that Capoch, HelloKitty, Maker and State were at any point outperforming Demuslim is a massive load of shitake mushrooms It doesn't matter if Demuslim did better than them or not. He is not considered on NA invite list as he did not compete in an WCS qualifier that took place in NA or SA last year so be was lumped in with 8 "others". And NesTea, Sen, and Ryung and Snute did compete in NA/SA qualifiers last year? No, but they are more accomplished than DeMusliM, so they got the nod. I guess Sen is a toss-up, but it no doubt helps that his country doesn't actually have its own WCS. Neither does China, and we see how that went for them :-( And if we're going on "more accomplished," to defend why they got seeds, then I'm right back at the start wondering why Maker and HelloKitty got preference over Demuslim. There's just a ton of inconsistent philosophy with how MLG and Blizzard are handling things. I'd say that it's understandable that the first time with a format like this would cause some headaches, but ESL seems to be handling their tournament without major hiccups, so I'm running out of possible explanations for why things are so chaotic What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. Ok, that's a fair point on the Demuslim issue. But I'm still miffed about HelloKitty and TheOgnis and Capoch and Maker because they weren't the highest placing players last time around for WCS. What about Insur and Major and Levin, guys who actually made it to BWC? It's not keeping with the idea of "previous WCS qualifier results." I know Levin has another job and all, but i don't see a reason to leave Insur out of the loop. And that moonglade invite just kind of throws the entire decision to exclude China into another level of curious eyebrow raising Maker/kitty/theogins are all well known strong American players with good past results, people on this thread for the most part seem to only follow players from 2012, if you have been following the scene since 2010, you would understand better. And Theogins is a very smart Brood war terran player, who is very strong in starcraft 2 as well, EG has super exposed players due to EG being EG, so other players not on big teams get overshadowed, even tho they are better players atm. Demuslim has not had very good results in WOL and just recently been doing good on the LADDER, ladder means nothing, in actual tourneys, there have been far better players then Demuslim, Demuslim is considered euro, and he is not even close to having the results the Euro terrans have had, such as thorzain, who has done wayyy better then Demuslim on eg. As others mentioned, Demus is considered UK, not USA. I know you guys like to follow his stream, but just because he is a fan fav does not mean he should be seeded over players 10x better then him, like the non Americans who got invited. I'm not implying that those guys are bad or don't deserve to be pros or anything like that, but saying that TheOgnis or Maker are better than Major is laughable. I will admit that TheOgnis' ability in Brood War is something I know nothing about, but I do know that Bisu is all the proof you need that they are different games and skill in one doesn't guarantee skill in the other. And we should be looking at 2012 results primarily. Kiwikaki was great in 2010, but that doesn't mean he deserves a seed, you know? And I've given up on the Demuslim point for the most part, sad as it makes me my brain isn't ENTIRELY immune from good persuasive arguments I didn't read all your posts so maybe you're talking about something else but don't you know that Major is invited?
Oh, whoops!
Dammit, just as I was starting to think i could be coherent without caffeine. ..
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On April 25 2013 22:28 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 22:06 MrSourGit wrote:
DeMuslim is playing fking amazing sc2 at the monment .... Everyone on his stream has seen him win fights that Should be 100% un-winnable ...... This could be the prime of his sc2 career , and they don't fkin invite him ........ Jesus fking Christ , organisation is shit. Just stop it already. It's not like DeMusliM is the most prominent NA player in terms of results.
Maybe not , I ain't 1 to list then all out for 30 mins of my life , but was it ESL ? Only just lost to violet 3-2 , JUST , got to quarters , only remaining foreigner I think ..... His accolades might not be the best , but fking he'll he should be there , at the momment he is playing so good he is easily 1 of the best foreigners there is lol
No matter what is said , we ALL know a player who can do what he does should be there ..... It can't even be questioned .....
NA and EU clowns up and make up some shit to cover the cracks .... Whilst the viewers lose a fan favourite and a fking good Terran bio micro player .....
Just annoyed a player I rly wanted to see competeing got forgotten coz they can't organise and orgy in Amsterdam ....
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On April 26 2013 01:12 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 01:09 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 26 2013 01:05 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 01:00 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 26 2013 00:48 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 00:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 23:33 Shinta) wrote:On April 25 2013 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 22:53 Dhays9 wrote:On April 25 2013 22:09 DavoS wrote:
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Neither does China, and we see how that went for them :-(
And if we're going on "more accomplished," to defend why they got seeds, then I'm right back at the start wondering why Maker and HelloKitty got preference over Demuslim.
There's just a ton of inconsistent philosophy with how MLG and Blizzard are handling things. I'd say that it's understandable that the first time with a format like this would cause some headaches, but ESL seems to be handling their tournament without major hiccups, so I'm running out of possible explanations for why things are so chaotic What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. Capoch filled in an American invite spot because he's American. As in being from the Americas. DeMusliM is not, and thus cannot fill that spot. The spot that DeMusliM could have filled, he didn't get because the other players were better. Saying that South American players should fill NA spots is like saying Australian players should be invited to an Asian WCS because of proximity. They are two different continents. It's not WCS NA, it's called the WCS America. Im kind of embarrassed at this point because it is actually called WCS America. People have been calling it WCS NA and MLG said that their rules involved inviting "NA" players before others. That is why I was confused. Yeah, unfortunately this WCS system has caused a lot of confusion. It's clearly rushed. But it can only get better. Yeah I imagine their will still be more growing pains. Plus I imagine Demuslim will qualify in challenger because he got so close in Premier league. I hope you're right about the Demuslim. Damn, why didn't he just apply for the WCS EU; I'm sure he would have been given an invite. I feel he and/ or EG made a huge mistake.
He probably didn't want to potentially have to move to Europe in order to compete. He probably would have gotten a seed though.
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On April 26 2013 00:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 00:55 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 00:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 23:33 Shinta) wrote:On April 25 2013 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 22:53 Dhays9 wrote:On April 25 2013 22:09 DavoS wrote:On April 25 2013 21:51 Nimic wrote:On April 25 2013 21:44 DavoS wrote:
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And NesTea, Sen, and Ryung and Snute did compete in NA/SA qualifiers last year?
No, but they are more accomplished than DeMusliM, so they got the nod. I guess Sen is a toss-up, but it no doubt helps that his country doesn't actually have its own WCS. Neither does China, and we see how that went for them :-( And if we're going on "more accomplished," to defend why they got seeds, then I'm right back at the start wondering why Maker and HelloKitty got preference over Demuslim. There's just a ton of inconsistent philosophy with how MLG and Blizzard are handling things. I'd say that it's understandable that the first time with a format like this would cause some headaches, but ESL seems to be handling their tournament without major hiccups, so I'm running out of possible explanations for why things are so chaotic What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. Capoch filled in an American invite spot because he's American. As in being from the Americas. DeMusliM is not, and thus cannot fill that spot. The spot that DeMusliM could have filled, he didn't get because the other players were better. Saying that South American players should fill NA spots is like saying Australian players should be invited to an Asian WCS because of proximity. They are two different continents. The WCS NA encompass all of the Americas, not just NA. Blizzard did this because there are no WCS events for SA and a number of other area's this year. The rules for invites are not perfect, but there had to be a set number of invites for people in the region covered by WCS NA. It sucks that DeMusliM is not in there, but the invite system wasn't created to exclude him. Plansix, according to liquipedia at least, it's not even called the WCS NA. Well that solves that problem. We should probably call is something else then. I vote for WSC AA - All Amercias, because its super dumb.
Again, check blizzard website if you must. It's WCS America.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9496789/WCS_2013_Format_Players_Prizes_and_Points-4_16_2013
It has always been its name, it is how it has been displayed in the several official websites. But to be honest, community/press is doing a piss poor job at that lol (myself included).
And WCS America is correct, you don't need to write WCS All America to understand it's about the whole continent.
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On April 26 2013 01:27 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 01:12 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 01:09 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 26 2013 01:05 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 01:00 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 26 2013 00:48 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 00:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 23:33 Shinta) wrote:On April 25 2013 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 22:53 Dhays9 wrote:
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What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. Capoch filled in an American invite spot because he's American. As in being from the Americas. DeMusliM is not, and thus cannot fill that spot. The spot that DeMusliM could have filled, he didn't get because the other players were better. Saying that South American players should fill NA spots is like saying Australian players should be invited to an Asian WCS because of proximity. They are two different continents. It's not WCS NA, it's called the WCS America. Im kind of embarrassed at this point because it is actually called WCS America. People have been calling it WCS NA and MLG said that their rules involved inviting "NA" players before others. That is why I was confused. Yeah, unfortunately this WCS system has caused a lot of confusion. It's clearly rushed. But it can only get better. Yeah I imagine their will still be more growing pains. Plus I imagine Demuslim will qualify in challenger because he got so close in Premier league. I hope you're right about the Demuslim. Damn, why didn't he just apply for the WCS EU; I'm sure he would have been given an invite. I feel he and/ or EG made a huge mistake. He probably didn't want to potentially have to move to Europe in order to compete. He probably would have gotten a seed though.
But that's just the thing; Although not ideal, latency between NA - EU servers is not bad. It's better than Korea - NA or SEA - NA.
Edit: And the server too isn't called NA but "Americas". Oh well..
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On April 26 2013 01:23 MrSourGit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 22:28 nimdil wrote:On April 25 2013 22:06 MrSourGit wrote:
DeMuslim is playing fking amazing sc2 at the monment .... Everyone on his stream has seen him win fights that Should be 100% un-winnable ...... This could be the prime of his sc2 career , and they don't fkin invite him ........ Jesus fking Christ , organisation is shit. Just stop it already. It's not like DeMusliM is the most prominent NA player in terms of results. Maybe not , I ain't 1 to list then all out for 30 mins of my life , but was it ESL ? Only just lost to violet 3-2 , JUST , got to quarters , only remaining foreigner I think ..... His accolades might not be the best , but fking he'll he should be there , at the momment he is playing so good he is easily 1 of the best foreigners there is lol No matter what is said , we ALL know a player who can do what he does should be there ..... It can't even be questioned ..... NA and EU clowns up and make up some shit to cover the cracks .... Whilst the viewers lose a fan favourite and a fking good Terran bio micro player ..... Just annoyed a player I rly wanted to see competeing got forgotten coz they can't organise and orgy in Amsterdam ....
Demuslim is not an American player meaning he is competing for invites with the Koreans and other such guys. He wasn't good enough to get an invite next to them end of story
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On April 26 2013 01:30 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 00:57 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 00:55 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 00:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 23:33 Shinta) wrote:On April 25 2013 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 22:53 Dhays9 wrote:On April 25 2013 22:09 DavoS wrote:On April 25 2013 21:51 Nimic wrote:
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No, but they are more accomplished than DeMusliM, so they got the nod. I guess Sen is a toss-up, but it no doubt helps that his country doesn't actually have its own WCS. Neither does China, and we see how that went for them :-( And if we're going on "more accomplished," to defend why they got seeds, then I'm right back at the start wondering why Maker and HelloKitty got preference over Demuslim. There's just a ton of inconsistent philosophy with how MLG and Blizzard are handling things. I'd say that it's understandable that the first time with a format like this would cause some headaches, but ESL seems to be handling their tournament without major hiccups, so I'm running out of possible explanations for why things are so chaotic What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. Capoch filled in an American invite spot because he's American. As in being from the Americas. DeMusliM is not, and thus cannot fill that spot. The spot that DeMusliM could have filled, he didn't get because the other players were better. Saying that South American players should fill NA spots is like saying Australian players should be invited to an Asian WCS because of proximity. They are two different continents. The WCS NA encompass all of the Americas, not just NA. Blizzard did this because there are no WCS events for SA and a number of other area's this year. The rules for invites are not perfect, but there had to be a set number of invites for people in the region covered by WCS NA. It sucks that DeMusliM is not in there, but the invite system wasn't created to exclude him. Plansix, according to liquipedia at least, it's not even called the WCS NA. Well that solves that problem. We should probably call is something else then. I vote for WSC AA - All Amercias, because its super dumb. Again, check blizzard website if you must. It's WCS America. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9496789/WCS_2013_Format_Players_Prizes_and_Points-4_16_2013It has always been its name, it is how it has been displayed in the several official websites. But to be honest, community/press is doing a piss poor job at that lol (myself included). And WCS America is correct, you don't need to write WCS All America to understand it's about the whole continent.
Just an FYI north and south America are two separate continents not one large continent lol. 
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This still reads as pretentious by both organizations
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On April 26 2013 01:12 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 01:09 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 26 2013 01:05 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 01:00 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 26 2013 00:48 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 00:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 23:33 Shinta) wrote:On April 25 2013 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 22:53 Dhays9 wrote:On April 25 2013 22:09 DavoS wrote:
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Neither does China, and we see how that went for them :-(
And if we're going on "more accomplished," to defend why they got seeds, then I'm right back at the start wondering why Maker and HelloKitty got preference over Demuslim.
There's just a ton of inconsistent philosophy with how MLG and Blizzard are handling things. I'd say that it's understandable that the first time with a format like this would cause some headaches, but ESL seems to be handling their tournament without major hiccups, so I'm running out of possible explanations for why things are so chaotic What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. Capoch filled in an American invite spot because he's American. As in being from the Americas. DeMusliM is not, and thus cannot fill that spot. The spot that DeMusliM could have filled, he didn't get because the other players were better. Saying that South American players should fill NA spots is like saying Australian players should be invited to an Asian WCS because of proximity. They are two different continents. It's not WCS NA, it's called the WCS America. Im kind of embarrassed at this point because it is actually called WCS America. People have been calling it WCS NA and MLG said that their rules involved inviting "NA" players before others. That is why I was confused. Yeah, unfortunately this WCS system has caused a lot of confusion. It's clearly rushed. But it can only get better. Yeah I imagine their will still be more growing pains. Plus I imagine Demuslim will qualify in challenger because he got so close in Premier league. I hope you're right about the Demuslim. Damn, why didn't he just apply for the WCS EU; I'm sure he would have been given an invite. I feel he and/ or EG made a huge mistake.
He's stated on stream that if he left the US, he would have to reapply for a visa, so although he could compete in WCS EU online, he would be unable to attend a live event outside the US until his via issues are resolved.
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On April 26 2013 01:41 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 01:30 Godwrath wrote:On April 26 2013 00:57 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 00:55 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 00:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 23:33 Shinta) wrote:On April 25 2013 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 22:53 Dhays9 wrote:On April 25 2013 22:09 DavoS wrote:
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Neither does China, and we see how that went for them :-(
And if we're going on "more accomplished," to defend why they got seeds, then I'm right back at the start wondering why Maker and HelloKitty got preference over Demuslim.
There's just a ton of inconsistent philosophy with how MLG and Blizzard are handling things. I'd say that it's understandable that the first time with a format like this would cause some headaches, but ESL seems to be handling their tournament without major hiccups, so I'm running out of possible explanations for why things are so chaotic What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. Capoch filled in an American invite spot because he's American. As in being from the Americas. DeMusliM is not, and thus cannot fill that spot. The spot that DeMusliM could have filled, he didn't get because the other players were better. Saying that South American players should fill NA spots is like saying Australian players should be invited to an Asian WCS because of proximity. They are two different continents. The WCS NA encompass all of the Americas, not just NA. Blizzard did this because there are no WCS events for SA and a number of other area's this year. The rules for invites are not perfect, but there had to be a set number of invites for people in the region covered by WCS NA. It sucks that DeMusliM is not in there, but the invite system wasn't created to exclude him. Plansix, according to liquipedia at least, it's not even called the WCS NA. Well that solves that problem. We should probably call is something else then. I vote for WSC AA - All Amercias, because its super dumb. Again, check blizzard website if you must. It's WCS America. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9496789/WCS_2013_Format_Players_Prizes_and_Points-4_16_2013It has always been its name, it is how it has been displayed in the several official websites. But to be honest, community/press is doing a piss poor job at that lol (myself included). And WCS America is correct, you don't need to write WCS All America to understand it's about the whole continent. Just an FYI north and south America are two separate continents not one large continent lol.
Don't start that argument, because both answers (1 continent vs 2 continents) are right depending on where you are born and raised practically.
Calling it WCS America, or Americas, is actually the politically correct way to call it for Blizzard.
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They state that Chinese players and those knocked out by hackers will be able to Play in the challenger qualifier as if that is a solution. They would have been able to do that anyway!
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On April 26 2013 01:45 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 01:41 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 26 2013 01:30 Godwrath wrote:On April 26 2013 00:57 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 00:55 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 00:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 23:33 Shinta) wrote:On April 25 2013 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 22:53 Dhays9 wrote:
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What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. Capoch filled in an American invite spot because he's American. As in being from the Americas. DeMusliM is not, and thus cannot fill that spot. The spot that DeMusliM could have filled, he didn't get because the other players were better. Saying that South American players should fill NA spots is like saying Australian players should be invited to an Asian WCS because of proximity. They are two different continents. The WCS NA encompass all of the Americas, not just NA. Blizzard did this because there are no WCS events for SA and a number of other area's this year. The rules for invites are not perfect, but there had to be a set number of invites for people in the region covered by WCS NA. It sucks that DeMusliM is not in there, but the invite system wasn't created to exclude him. Plansix, according to liquipedia at least, it's not even called the WCS NA. Well that solves that problem. We should probably call is something else then. I vote for WSC AA - All Amercias, because its super dumb. Again, check blizzard website if you must. It's WCS America. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9496789/WCS_2013_Format_Players_Prizes_and_Points-4_16_2013It has always been its name, it is how it has been displayed in the several official websites. But to be honest, community/press is doing a piss poor job at that lol (myself included). And WCS America is correct, you don't need to write WCS All America to understand it's about the whole continent. Just an FYI north and south America are two separate continents not one large continent lol. Don't start that argument, because both answers (1 continent vs 2 continents) are right depending on where you are born and raised practically. Calling it WCS America, or Americas, is actually the politically correct way to call it for Blizzard.
I'm not saying that south America isn't included in "America or Americas" I'm just saying they Are two continents. That's a geographical fact.
Not tryin to start an argument because frankly it can't really be argued.
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This is just ...
"sorry you lost to hacker tough luck."
"sorry you are progamer but your seed is taken by bronze player tough luck."
"sorry we dont like you so we seed in other players who are undeniably less accomplished tough luck."
Some high quality PR right there im speechless. This is just bad joke.
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On April 26 2013 01:49 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 01:45 Godwrath wrote:On April 26 2013 01:41 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 26 2013 01:30 Godwrath wrote:On April 26 2013 00:57 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 00:55 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 00:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 23:33 Shinta) wrote:On April 25 2013 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
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Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. Capoch filled in an American invite spot because he's American. As in being from the Americas. DeMusliM is not, and thus cannot fill that spot. The spot that DeMusliM could have filled, he didn't get because the other players were better. Saying that South American players should fill NA spots is like saying Australian players should be invited to an Asian WCS because of proximity. They are two different continents. The WCS NA encompass all of the Americas, not just NA. Blizzard did this because there are no WCS events for SA and a number of other area's this year. The rules for invites are not perfect, but there had to be a set number of invites for people in the region covered by WCS NA. It sucks that DeMusliM is not in there, but the invite system wasn't created to exclude him. Plansix, according to liquipedia at least, it's not even called the WCS NA. Well that solves that problem. We should probably call is something else then. I vote for WSC AA - All Amercias, because its super dumb. Again, check blizzard website if you must. It's WCS America. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9496789/WCS_2013_Format_Players_Prizes_and_Points-4_16_2013It has always been its name, it is how it has been displayed in the several official websites. But to be honest, community/press is doing a piss poor job at that lol (myself included). And WCS America is correct, you don't need to write WCS All America to understand it's about the whole continent. Just an FYI north and south America are two separate continents not one large continent lol. Don't start that argument, because both answers (1 continent vs 2 continents) are right depending on where you are born and raised practically. Calling it WCS America, or Americas, is actually the politically correct way to call it for Blizzard. I'm not saying that south America isn't included in "America or Americas" I'm just saying they Are two continents. That's a geographical fact. Not tryin to start an argument because frankly it can't really be argued.
It can, and you actually have a PM so we don't de-rail this.
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On April 26 2013 01:49 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 01:45 Godwrath wrote:On April 26 2013 01:41 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 26 2013 01:30 Godwrath wrote:On April 26 2013 00:57 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 00:55 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 00:50 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 00:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On April 25 2013 23:33 Shinta) wrote:On April 25 2013 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
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Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. Capoch filled in an American invite spot because he's American. As in being from the Americas. DeMusliM is not, and thus cannot fill that spot. The spot that DeMusliM could have filled, he didn't get because the other players were better. Saying that South American players should fill NA spots is like saying Australian players should be invited to an Asian WCS because of proximity. They are two different continents. The WCS NA encompass all of the Americas, not just NA. Blizzard did this because there are no WCS events for SA and a number of other area's this year. The rules for invites are not perfect, but there had to be a set number of invites for people in the region covered by WCS NA. It sucks that DeMusliM is not in there, but the invite system wasn't created to exclude him. Plansix, according to liquipedia at least, it's not even called the WCS NA. Well that solves that problem. We should probably call is something else then. I vote for WSC AA - All Amercias, because its super dumb. Again, check blizzard website if you must. It's WCS America. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9496789/WCS_2013_Format_Players_Prizes_and_Points-4_16_2013It has always been its name, it is how it has been displayed in the several official websites. But to be honest, community/press is doing a piss poor job at that lol (myself included). And WCS America is correct, you don't need to write WCS All America to understand it's about the whole continent. Just an FYI north and south America are two separate continents not one large continent lol. Don't start that argument, because both answers (1 continent vs 2 continents) are right depending on where you are born and raised practically. Calling it WCS America, or Americas, is actually the politically correct way to call it for Blizzard. I'm not saying that south America isn't included in "America or Americas" I'm just saying they Are two continents. That's a geographical fact. Not tryin to start an argument because frankly it can't really be argued.
Actually, it's not a "geographical fact" :p depending on which definition you want to use, North and South Americas are sub-continents of one American continent, or two entirely separate continents. It's pretty confusing because virtually everyone considers Europe and Asia to be two distinct continents even though they are less 'separated' than Americas are, but go figure. There aren't really any hard rules that would either of those as a single continent or two separate ones (just like according to some, Australia is a large island rather than a continent).
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I just don't understand why Snute was invited to WCS NA and Demu wasn't. Why is Snute competing in NA? Is he moving to Korea or the US?
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On April 26 2013 02:00 Swords wrote:
I just don't understand why Snute was invited to WCS NA and Demu wasn't. Why is Snute competing in NA? Is he moving to Korea or the US?
Both are non Americans, but Snute has more results to back up his seed.
At that time i was thinking he was going to move to KR, but we haven't got any news on that.
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This interview doesn't have one ounce of useful information, and didn't show any attitude change from them. It basically says, you teenager nerds knows nothing, let grownups run the business.
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