EPTAnd why the hell were the top chinese players not invited to any premier-league?
Blizzard and MLG respond to WCS NA issues - Page 9
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Lappen.464
Germany42 Posts
And why the hell were the top chinese players not invited to any premier-league? | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On April 25 2013 22:11 aksfjh wrote: To be fair, ESL has a LOT of restreams that are just different language casts. you are talking about WCS EU Premier League, where it's all WCS channels on twitch for different languages. he was talking about the WCS EU qualifiers, where even NASL casted in EU until blizzard intervened and there were many different streams. | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On April 25 2013 22:06 MrSourGit wrote: DeMuslim is playing fking amazing sc2 at the monment .... Everyone on his stream has seen him win fights that Should be 100% un-winnable ...... This could be the prime of his sc2 career , and they don't fkin invite him ........ Jesus fking Christ , organisation is shit. Just stop it already. It's not like DeMusliM is the most prominent NA player in terms of results. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
Compared equally, and I struggle to see how any south American players were picked Above him. Not to mention the fact that they are basing their invites off of 2012 which was an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GAME and does not reflect current skill at all. This has got to be incredibly frustrating for Demuslim because I know it is frustrating for his fans. | ||
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Levernz
Canada50 Posts
Oh well, we can't compare Demuslim ladder games over tournaments games, they are not the same. Even tho Hellokitty didn't get any result after all ??? | ||
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Levernz
Canada50 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On April 25 2013 22:30 Levernz wrote: And i also don't see Hellokitty going over Ryung & Suppy. Damn I didn't even think about Suppy. He was the highest placing foreigner at WCS world championship besides Sen. You'd think that would put him over a majority of others. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On April 25 2013 22:44 Treemonkeys wrote: This ewwww too many koreans talk seems really borderline racist to me, I don't understand how it's acceptable to ask Blizzard this. lol no... just no. | ||
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Dhays9
United States51 Posts
On April 25 2013 22:09 DavoS wrote: Neither does China, and we see how that went for them :-( And if we're going on "more accomplished," to defend why they got seeds, then I'm right back at the start wondering why Maker and HelloKitty got preference over Demuslim. There's just a ton of inconsistent philosophy with how MLG and Blizzard are handling things. I'd say that it's understandable that the first time with a format like this would cause some headaches, but ESL seems to be handling their tournament without major hiccups, so I'm running out of possible explanations for why things are so chaotic What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. | ||
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Dhays9
United States51 Posts
On April 25 2013 22:35 Darkhoarse wrote: Damn I didn't even think about Suppy. He was the highest placing foreigner at WCS world championship besides Sen. You'd think that would put him over a majority of others. I can agree that Supply shouldn't gave been left out nor should people like Fitzy but saying Ryung makes no sense since he is Korean so he would of been in the other category not the category with HelloKitty so it is stupid to compare the two players. That last bit was more to the person you quoted. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On April 25 2013 22:09 DavoS wrote: Neither does China, and we see how that went for them :-( And if we're going on "more accomplished," to defend why they got seeds, then I'm right back at the start wondering why Maker and HelloKitty got preference over Demuslim. There's just a ton of inconsistent philosophy with how MLG and Blizzard are handling things. I'd say that it's understandable that the first time with a format like this would cause some headaches, but ESL seems to be handling their tournament without major hiccups, so I'm running out of possible explanations for why things are so chaotic Dawg, more well known players are given seeds. HelloKitty became known recently and Maker has been known for quite some time. As for Capoch and State, of course they are well known names too.... DeMusliM is more well known, however he doesn't fit the criteria that the other two players do for those particular seed spots. As for the seed spot that he did qualify for, he was beat out by other better players. This is something pretty much everyone already knows, stop bringing it up in the topic. The main thing here is that Blizzard/MLG's response is a laughing stock. They are going to make the Challenger Qualifier Master/GM only, when they fucked up the Premier Qualifier by having it open to even bronzies. I guess that's a good thing, but really?... How could you be so stupid to not do that in the first place. They don't plan on punishing anyone who broke the official MLG rules of prematurely distributing results. Then they are making a mockery of their own rules and with their broken down system, a broken logic seeps in saying Chinese players should butcher the results they have and replace them with legit results (that can't/won't happen though as it's too late). As for their plans on the hacking, they never did anything about it in the past even though they promised many times that they would. Why should we believe that they'll make improvements now? Going to the Chinese ordeal, they talk about upholding the rules and DQing Comm. Absolute bullshit. They pretty much state in this interview that they decide to manipulate any rules they may or may not have in order to skew the results however they please. On top of that, they are reducing the entire Chinese scene to a lower class by only allowing them to participate in the Challenger division (minus TOP and MacSed who legitimately lost in the final round of the qualifier, and should actually have to qualify for the Challenger division). By not giving good players an opportunity to play in the good league, and telling them to be satisfied with playing in the worse league, you're basically telling them that they are of a lower caliber. Everything about this apology is worthless and rude in nature. It leave us with the same lingering "well I hope they don't fuck up huge next time" that they always leave us. As if it's hard to understand that we as the community get more pissed the more times the fuck us over. =/ | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On April 25 2013 22:53 Dhays9 wrote: What do you not get about Demuslim not counting towards the America portion of the invites. He is considered in the non American invite list for WCS NA because he played in WCS UK In 2012. Stop using HelloKitty and Maker as your excuse when they are not even applicable to this discussion. As for Chinese players the only international results they have are WCS China and Ocemia which obviously was not enough as that is only two tournaments where the non American invites attend and performed well in more than two events. Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On April 25 2013 23:19 Darkhoarse wrote: Generally I use Capoch as my example, who also played in a different WCS and yet was placed higher than Demuslim. Capoch filled in an American invite spot because he's American. As in being from the Americas. DeMusliM is not, and thus cannot fill that spot. The spot that DeMusliM could have filled, he didn't get because the other players were better. | ||
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
On April 25 2013 22:28 nimdil wrote: Just stop it already. It's not like DeMusliM is the most prominent NA player in terms of results. No, but he is one of the best, if not the best, players in living in NA that isn't Korean. He's the best non-Korean in EG and with Scarlett taking a break I think it's safe to say that for this moment, ignoring history, he is the best non-Korean in NA. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On April 25 2013 22:28 Darkhoarse wrote: Their Demuslim argument is ridiculous. They say all non NA players were Compared equally, and I struggle to see how any south American players were picked Above him. Not to mention the fact that they are basing their invites off of 2012 which was an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GAME and does not reflect current skill at all. This has got to be incredibly frustrating for Demuslim because I know it is frustrating for his fans. It's WCS America. Not NA, not USA, but the whole continent (or the two continents if you mind it being called that way). | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
What they did to the Chinese players in unacceptable And they are claiming they didn't think more Koreans would try to play in NA? Give me a break | ||
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 25 2013 16:47 Rossing wrote: I don't think MLG deserved the wcs contract, should've given it to NASL Not letting the chinese players in seems like a vendetta of some sort to me, honestly. also, lets compare kitty and demu a bit here Demuslim: 2nd Samsung European Encounter €800 2nd 2012 World Championship Series: United Kingdom Nationals $3,000 + Paid (Demuslim really didn't perform well in wcs nono) Hellokitty AGL-August Invitational 4th place which was low enough that he didn't even win any money for it (500$ tourney) So really, come on man should've invited demu Lets try this again. Demuslim is not American player and could have only got into it as part of 8 non-American invites. HelloKitty got in as one of 16 better American players. So don't compare him to American players, compare him to 8 invited players that are not from America On April 25 2013 16:54 Pandemona wrote: LOL. So HelloKitty Maker Fenix Vibe Illusion Major State Minigun Capoch all did better than DeMuslim ? >.< Fkn Blizzard, they balls up and just make stupid excuses, and the people interviewing them have the shittest questions for them! I love the way they are palming it all off and thinking that it still is going "well" it's just stupid. I could of organized this better >.< Lets try this again x2. Demuslim is not American player and could have only got into it as part of 8 non-American invites. HelloKitty and others got in as one of 16 better American players. So don't compare him to American players, compare him to 8 invited players that are not from America | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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