Blizzard and MLG respond to WCS NA issues - Page 6

Rossing

Denmark4 Posts

April 25 2013 07:47 GMT

#101

I don't think MLG deserved the wcs contract, should've given it to NASL
Not letting the chinese players in seems like a vendetta of some sort to me, honestly.

also, lets compare kitty and demu a bit here

Demuslim:
2nd Samsung European Encounter €800
2nd 2012 World Championship Series: United Kingdom Nationals $3,000 + Paid
(Demuslim really didn't perform well in wcs nono)

Hellokitty
AGL-August Invitational 4th place which was low enough that he didn't even win any money for it (500$ tourney)

So really, come on man should've invited demu

dcemuser

United States3248 Posts

April 25 2013 07:48 GMT

#102

They did acknowledge issues and give potential solutions for two things: the "players below masters entering qualifiers" (limited acknowledgement on this one though) and "maphacking/cheating in WCS qualifiers" problems.

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

April 25 2013 07:48 GMT

#103

Hm, the information in the interview somehow contradicts with the statement of Edison, where Koreans who signed up later were admitted before the Chinese players who signed up earlier... can we have some kind of update on that...?

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts

April 25 2013 07:54 GMT

#104

Blizzard, MLG, and ESL jointly analyzed 2012 global performance results to determine invites for the WCS Season 1 Premier League in America and Europe. In the end, DeMusliM didn't perform well enough in 2012 competitions to receive a seed. He's been competing fantastically well on ladder and we hope to see him compete up through Challenger level and perhaps get to Premier League through that route.

LOL. So HelloKitty Maker Fenix Vibe Illusion Major State Minigun Capoch all did better than DeMuslim ? >.< Fkn Blizzard, they balls up and just make stupid excuses, and the people interviewing them have the shittest questions for them!

I love the way they are palming it all off and thinking that it still is going "well" it's just stupid. I could of organized this better >.<

Dracid

United States280 Posts

April 25 2013 07:54 GMT

#105

On April 25 2013 16:48 JustPassingBy wrote:
Hm, the information in the interview somehow contradicts with the statement of Edison, where Koreans who signed up later were admitted before the Chinese players who signed up earlier... can we have some kind of update on that...?

Doesn't contradict anything. The Koreans were seeded into the qualifiers because they have EG backing, the Chinese players were given nothing because who gives a fuck about Chinese players?

krutopatkin

Germany2612 Posts

April 25 2013 07:55 GMT

#106

On April 25 2013 16:47 Rossing wrote:
I don't think MLG deserved the wcs contract, should've given it to NASL
Not letting the chinese players in seems like a vendetta of some sort to me, honestly.

also, lets compare kitty and demu a bit here

Demuslim:
2nd Samsung European Encounter €800
2nd 2012 World Championship Series: United Kingdom Nationals $3,000 + Paid
(Demuslim really didn't perform well in wcs nono)

Hellokitty
AGL-August Invitational 4th place which was low enough that he didn't even win any money for it (500$ tourney)

So really, come on man should've invited demu

The point is, he wasnt being compared with the American, but with the foreign invites, who all have outperformed him in 2012.

Rannasha

Netherlands2398 Posts

April 25 2013 07:56 GMT

#107

On April 25 2013 16:47 Rossing wrote:
also, lets compare kitty and demu a bit here

Demuslim:
2nd Samsung European Encounter €800
2nd 2012 World Championship Series: United Kingdom Nationals $3,000 + Paid
(Demuslim really didn't perform well in wcs nono)

Hellokitty
AGL-August Invitational 4th place which was low enough that he didn't even win any money for it (500$ tourney)

So really, come on man

Demuslim: Not a citizen of the Americas, so competes for one of eight spots reserved for "outsiders", including some top Koreans.

Hellokitty: American, so competes for one of sixteen spots reserved for citizens of the Americas.

Why Hellokitty got in and Demuslim didn't is perfectly understandable given that they announced this 16 / 8 split between locals and outsiders in advance.

EleanorRIgby

Canada3923 Posts

April 25 2013 08:02 GMT

#108

On April 25 2013 16:56 Rannasha wrote:

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yea i think a lot of people are forgetting that demuslim wasn't competing for an american only spot. If they start making exceptions with people belonging to whatever region it would be a big mess.

budar

175 Posts

April 25 2013 08:06 GMT

#109

These people still comparing Demuslim to Hellokitty are kind of annoying... That particular issue was explained like a million times already, and in light of that explanation, Demuslim shouldn't have gotten an invite, although I initially thought he should have (and wrote here about it). That issue is now a complete red herring while there are a ton of other issues that pretty much weren't addressed at all.

That is also understandable to an extent, because there really is nothing that can be done now to amend the mess that happened. The players that qualified sort of deserve their spots because they won a lot of games and stuff. Some people were potentially "cheated out" of a real chance (probably very very few people, maybe Comm + 2-3 people) due to not being able to register, being eliminated by a hacker or a later DQ-d player, but nothing really can be done about that at this time. So, we really shouldn't expect more than an apology. If they're doing another qualifier for code A, then the real damage that was done is not that huge...

Asfer

Colombia12 Posts

April 25 2013 08:07 GMT

#110

On April 25 2013 15:52 namste wrote:

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Don't go talking for everyone. At least I didn't sign my name in the demands list. You should say "some of us demand".

Fair enough, but please don't take my post literally. I just took some liberties to illustrate how "some of us" can be unfair when we don't take the time to see the issues from another's perspective.

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

April 25 2013 08:10 GMT

#111

On April 25 2013 09:52 mprs wrote:

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I think it's clear that after this year, they intend to move more of the WCS offline over time.

Hopefully earlier! #ESLMAKEITHAPPEN!!! :D

Eufouria

United Kingdom4425 Posts

April 25 2013 08:11 GMT

#112

So he dodged the question about Comm, and didn't talk about the issue of Chinese participants being given confirmation of their participation or the Korean players who signed up later being given priority in the bracket.

Dracid

United States280 Posts

April 25 2013 08:16 GMT

#113

On April 25 2013 16:56 Rannasha wrote:

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Comm:
1st WCS China 2012 $6000
13th-16th WCS Asia 2012 $800

PiG:
1st WCS Australia 2012 $6000
5th-6th WCS Oceania 2012 $600

Why didn't either of these two get seeds over Hellokitty? WCS KR requires you to be there in person (on top of being hilariously more difficult than any other region), and latency means WCS EU is out of the question. That leaves WCS America for the SEA/China regions, and yet they only get two "outsider" seeds to Sen and Moonglade. How do you really justify seeding players like Maker, Capoch, theognis, State, etc. who have very few accomplishments in 2012 over WCS national winners? That the national winners don't even get a seed into the qualifiers is just embarrassing.

fleeze

Germany895 Posts

April 25 2013 08:17 GMT

#114

pretty bad interview.
generic answers and no follow up questions when MLG/blizzard gave unsatisfying answers.

at least in demuslim and comm's case asking further for clarification would be really helpfull. now we have more statements without content.
you really let them get away with such a sentence?

When it was revealed that Comm had gone on to play using another player's account, which is a rules violation, he was disqualified.

also i'd like to know who anserwered which question or at least who was answering for both companys.

edit: they're bending the truth quite a lot:

...now have the opportunity to compete in the Open Qualifier for Challenger League...

it's a qualifier for the invite only qualifier. the statement as it stands is just wrong.

Khai

Australia553 Posts

April 25 2013 08:32 GMT

#115

Didn't explain why some of the Korean players who registered later got into the qualifier whilst others are not. Confirming someone has been "checked-in" and assuring them then saying too many had "checked-in" and only early check-ins were allowed is such bs and is really unfair to those who diligently followed up on their status. Premier League qualifiers should have been limited to Masters-GM, at least now they'll limit the Challenger League qualifers lol.

Anyway given this is the first time I think we should all move on and forgive MLG but they better not fuck up again.

RubiksCube

Germany259 Posts

April 25 2013 08:37 GMT

#116

Well, I dont get all the flaming.

Yes the qualifier was terribad, but there's no need to beat a dead horse now. People have the chance to still qualify and now restrictions are in place (masters / grandmasters only). Now the only thing that needs to be done is make the "Open" qualifier really an open qualifier and not restricting it to 512 players

peidongyang

Canada2084 Posts

April 25 2013 08:39 GMT

#117

Looooooool they didn't even admit they did anything wrong and dodged every fucking question

Sun dance, go fuck yourself and your enormous ego and i hope this comes back to rape yourself in the ass one day

User was temp banned for this post.

Weirdkid

Singapore2431 Posts

April 25 2013 08:43 GMT

#118

On April 25 2013 16:19 Vorenius wrote:

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On April 25 2013 15:12 Weirdkid wrote:

On April 25 2013 14:57 jalen wrote:

On April 25 2013 14:48 Weirdkid wrote:

On April 25 2013 14:24 jalen wrote:

On April 25 2013 14:16 Weirdkid wrote:

On April 25 2013 14:03 jalen wrote:

On April 25 2013 14:00 Weirdkid wrote:

On April 25 2013 13:59 jalen wrote:

On April 25 2013 13:53 Weirdkid wrote:
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Because those Korean players in question were probably invites by MLG?

Invited players + 512 > 512, only 512 player played, Means someone got kicked.

Invited players part of 512 = No one got kicked?

If invited players are part of 512，YES. But they are not. They registered so late, 1000 +

Yes, but being invited and registering early isn't linked. If the player was invited, it means that MLG has already set aside a place within the 512 for them (They did say that 64 slots would be for invited players).

Unfortunately, MLG did not do that. OZ,JYP, alive, lots of koreans register themselves, late. They force MLG have to randomly kicked someone in top 512, which include one of my friend register just one hour after the register time started.

If they have set aside 64 spots for invites, it means they will only take in the first 448 players that are not invited and registered, not 512.

The invited players, when they registered, no matter how late, could then be placed the 64 reserved spots. Yes?

Of course, we don't know exactly who were invited, but I'd say Oz, JYP, alive, would probably be amongst them because of their fame or because of their team. I also don't know if my explanation is what exactly took place, but based on the MLG registration rules, I feel it does seem to be this way.

No, they randomly kicked players they want to kick, not first 448 players. And also they should clearly anounce that we are picking top 448 not 512. What we are arguing here is MLG rule is suck. As i mention before, my friend register just one hour after the registration began (top 100).He is just some random people rank higer master in KR master, GM in NA? not a progamer.

I'm not arguing with you

I'm just trying to explain to you my point of view.

Yes, the rules could definitely be explained clearer, but I do believe that it is clear enough in its current state for people to understand that there will be a total of 512 players in the qualifiers, with 64 spots amongst these 512 spots reserved for invited players.

Regarding your friend, if you really have sufficient evidence to believe that he's one of the first 100 players who registered, then I've got nothing else to say about that.

At this point I don't think anyone believes that the rules weren't upheld, but that's not the issue. The piss poor rules are the issue.

Random gold/plat league guys getting a spot in arguably the most important qualifier in SC2 so far, while high profile chinese pro's were excluded, is inexcusable. Having 512 spots for an open WCS America qualifier, even though the EU counterpart had thousands of registrated players, is inexcusable.

MLG or Blizzard hasn't even in the slightest acknowledged any of these issues. They've been busy justifying their actions by saying "see, the rules were upheld". Well, guess what? The rules are the fucking problem in the first place!

You only read my last comment without looking at the conversation history didn't you..?

jaydee81

Germany119 Posts

April 25 2013 08:49 GMT

#119

I know a lot of people feel very different about this, but I am really put off by the amount of Koreans and it will make me less likely to follow WCS.
I know the argument of the other side, wanting to "see only the best". Fine. I grew up with soccer and you normally don't just go and root for the best... you have a team you like for geografical reasons or values or whatever and stick with it through thick and thin. I hope they make some adjustments to the current system.

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

April 25 2013 08:52 GMT

#120

On April 25 2013 17:49 jaydee81 wrote:
I know a lot of people feel very different about this, but I am really put off by the amount of Koreans and it will make me less likely to follow WCS.
I know the argument of the other side, wanting to "see only the best". Fine. I grew up with soccer and you normally don't just go and root for the best... you have a team you like for geografical reasons or values or whatever and stick with it through thick and thin. I hope they make some adjustments to the current system.

So am I to an extend, but let's face it. As Europeans we aren't part of the target audience anyways, so it doesn't really matter, the games will be broad-casted like middle of the night in our time.

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