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xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
April 23 2013 23:07 GMT
#581
I have no idea what you guys are whining about. The balance in HotS seems pretty damn fine to me (with the exception of a nonsensical ZvZ). Much better than it ever was in WoL. They propose some small changes aimed at making the game more diverse, and you guys respond so negatively. people are weird o.O
FoShao
Profile Joined November 2012
United States256 Posts
April 23 2013 23:12 GMT
#582
lol what a surprise...thumps up for Z buffs, thumbs down for P buff
omnic
Profile Joined July 2010
United States188 Posts
April 23 2013 23:17 GMT
#583
On April 24 2013 08:12 FoShao wrote:
lol what a surprise...thumps up for Z buffs, thumbs down for P buff

you mean zerg buff right? I the zvz change is just as much of a buff as it is a nerf to zergs. There is something off about a burrow buff though so you have a point about the zerg buff. I think the people who thumbs that one up don't really understand that it's not going to make zerg aggression any better early game with the exception of roach all ins.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 23 2013 23:22 GMT
#584
Oracle change is good. Rewarding skill is a good thing and Oracles are weak anyway. What do they have 80hp? That's nothing.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
fenix404
Profile Joined May 2011
United States305 Posts
April 23 2013 23:27 GMT
#585
the only oracle thing that would NEED changing, if anything is ONLY acceleration. they have fine move speed, but i feel their acceleration could be higher, only after thinking about it. i say test thoroughly, though because oracle is already very strong, especially if not prepared for.
"think for yourself, question authority"
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 23 2013 23:31 GMT
#586
I dislike wanting to have infestors play a bigger role in muta vs muta battles. Takes a lot of the mastery out of the matchup. I do think it needs to be fixed somehow, though.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
April 23 2013 23:34 GMT
#587
Anybody think it'd be cool to move the overlord drop upgrade to hatch tech? Might make early game more interesting, *shrug*
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
April 23 2013 23:51 GMT
#588
On April 24 2013 08:34 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
Anybody think it'd be cool to move the overlord drop upgrade to hatch tech? Might make early game more interesting, *shrug*


But wouldn't that give Zergs the ability to research drops as fast as Terrans?
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Ksi
Profile Joined May 2010
357 Posts
April 23 2013 23:53 GMT
#589
Why does Blizzard have to make all ground based anti air absolutely worthless? The problem with Oracles is that they're too "all or nothing" like DT's are. A speed buff makes them more effective, but also just pushes them farther into that niche role.
RyLai
Profile Joined May 2011
United States477 Posts
April 23 2013 23:54 GMT
#590
On April 24 2013 07:40 DoNuTs84 wrote:
Im pretty sure buffing spores more would not make Zergs stop making Mutas in ZvZ. Buff Infestors so Zerg can have different tech to play around with. At least that would make games more interesting to watch also. Zerg dont really have many midgame options at the moment


No. Oh God no. Please no. We don't want the tragedy of WoL to happen all over again. ONE unit broke the entire damn game, and you want to bring it back? NO! Everyone is happier with Infestors being balanced.

On April 24 2013 08:31 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I dislike wanting to have infestors play a bigger role in muta vs muta battles. Takes a lot of the mastery out of the matchup. I do think it needs to be fixed somehow, though.


Back in WoL, when I played Random, I was way ahead in a ZvZ because I got an early lead and went Mutas. I had like 20-something Mutas, turned away for a second to Inject Larvae, look back, and all my Mutas were caught by a Fungal Growth. 2 minutes later, the enemy just overruns me with a Roach army. It was so retarded.

Though in 1 game, a pro lost his entire Muta flock to Fungal in HotS. It was a good play, a tech switch when he was behind in Mutas. The guy looked away for a second, and a Fungal landed on everything and everything proceeded to die... To be honest, air units caught by Fungal should auto spread the same as if they weren't Fungaled (like when they are on Stop command).

And I don't know why everyone hates the current ZvZ so much. I LOVE it. Aggression followed by more aggression with more aggression. Do you all REALLY want to go back to turtling with Roach/Infestor? That was so incredibly boring. Aggression should be rewarded and encouraged, especially if it's with only portions of your army (or constant small attacks). Anything that breaks up the deathball and turtling gets a thumbs up from me. I mean, I did like watching TvT and considering the tactical and strategic positional control across the map, but then people got really good and passive and it turned into turtle into Sky Terran wayyyyy too often. Turtling=bad. Deathball=bad.
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
April 24 2013 00:02 GMT
#591
On April 24 2013 08:51 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 08:34 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
Anybody think it'd be cool to move the overlord drop upgrade to hatch tech? Might make early game more interesting, *shrug*


But wouldn't that give Zergs the ability to research drops as fast as Terrans?
:O


It 'could' be faster for cheese play.

Fast gas Z could get up drops if done ASAP, before T players could. It would make all kinds of new cheese available to zerg players. As negating a wall in by simply rushing drops could yield victories over greedy opponents with highly minimal defenses.

I don't know if that'd be good or bad but it'd sure be interesting.
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iyasq8
Profile Joined December 2012
113 Posts
April 24 2013 00:03 GMT
#592
I dont get everyone, i enjoy zvz more than anything right now. the infestors wars in wol all based on lucky fungals and pooping infested terran( keep in mind that by the end of wol it started getting more into the broods stage which was so freakin boring.
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paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 00:08:25
April 24 2013 00:08 GMT
#593
The current mentality and proposed changes look good.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
April 24 2013 00:15 GMT
#594
Lol, a buff to the oracle would mean terrans will be staying in their base forever while the toss does what ever he wants.
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CounterOrder
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada457 Posts
April 24 2013 00:19 GMT
#595
I thought Z felt more fun in HotS. :o Z in WoL was the most boring thing ever to play with or againts.

TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
April 24 2013 00:20 GMT
#596
I honestly wonder what people would have said about units like lurkers, vultures, and reavers 10 years ago. A lurker could have completely tore apart all your marines and medics. A reaver could of reduced your whole mineral line nothing. A vulture could have made your life a living hell, let alone the mines.

I'm glad that they are buffing the oracle to be honest, a unit that is quick and can tear workers apart is needed (of course there should be drawbacks, like smaller HP/shield). The only thing I wish is that blizzard would buff other units as well, like the carrier, hydra, battlecruiser, corruptor and siege tank.
Nikoras
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States115 Posts
April 24 2013 00:27 GMT
#597
On April 23 2013 09:49 Ecstatic wrote:
I kind of understand what Blizzard is trying to do with the Oracle change... but they're not really adding anything to counterbalance the change are they? If a skillful player can just constantly harass with oracle, where is the counter micro from the opponent that allows them to fend them off?



The range on the oracle is small enough that 2 static defense structures can cover the mineral line and both gases. I don't think it will be a huge deal.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
April 24 2013 00:32 GMT
#598
On April 24 2013 09:15 Dreamer.T wrote:
Lol, a buff to the oracle would mean terrans will be staying in their base forever while the toss does what ever he wants.

Or they could build one turret, which forces the P to either abandon the harass or focus all his attention on microing it.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
omnic
Profile Joined July 2010
United States188 Posts
April 24 2013 00:35 GMT
#599
On April 24 2013 09:32 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 09:15 Dreamer.T wrote:
Lol, a buff to the oracle would mean terrans will be staying in their base forever while the toss does what ever he wants.

Or they could build one turret, which forces the P to either abandon the harass or focus all his attention on microing it.


Are you suggesting that somebody that is harassing an enemy player shouldn't have to pay attention to it and micro it?
Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
April 24 2013 00:35 GMT
#600
I really don't think buffing spores is the answer to ZvZ mutas. That just means you either go muta, or you just turtle in your base against mutas and can't leave...

I actually think that ZvZ would be a really fantastic matchup right now if there was more micro you could do in muta vs muta fights. Everything else about the matchup is great, the positional / counter attack play and ground micro, but when it comes to the big final battle, it leaves much to be desired.
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