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Rhaegar_tar
France847 Posts
On April 23 2013 01:56 smogg wrote: *sigh* It's not entirely MLG's fault, but it is pretty sad. It is actually. It's MLG that runs the qualifiers, not Blizzard. ESL didn't do it, which means they have enough time to find an appropriate time to do it. It's like MLG doesn't give a fuck anymore and think that they rule the scene because Blizzard gave them WCS. And Sundance's last tweets were absolutely outrageous. #FREEWCSFROMMLG | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 23 2013 00:36 Esoterikk wrote: Lets not forget everyone that Blizzard is also at fault here, MLG is at the whim of Blizzards decisions and people should be tweeting Mike Morhaim just as much as Sundance. Um, that's sort of the starting point so how the heck can you not avoid saying Blizzard? Ofc you guys should let both of them know about your disapproval. | ||
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fabstr
Germany10 Posts
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Cubu
1171 Posts
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Balthazar
United States277 Posts
On April 22 2013 19:48 DarkSpectre wrote: Does CombatEX quit being a SC2 pro????? CombatEX had to temporarily quit after WCG Finals because of school. However, his semester ends in early May, so look forward to him returning to the competitive scene shortly! | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 23 2013 02:07 Cubu wrote: honestly, you can't blame blizzard for this. They weren't part of managing this qualifier, mlg was. Yeah sure, blame blizzard for giving incentive for koreans to come to NA, but this whole fiasco, it's not their fault. It's their plan and it's their system. They outsourced it like usual, but here's the thing. They aren't acting in a sponsorship/endorsement role this time. The WCS is their brand. How anyone can think Blizzard shouldn't be accountable for the monstrosities that take place is beyond me. | ||
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loft
United States344 Posts
Open tournament means you have to sign up ASAP. (I had no problem and was pretty casual about times) Hyun participating is pretty cheap, bad because there's only 1 qualifier. Map hack guy, PhysicsLee?, not sure who should have caught that one. Would have been better if they had more than 1 tourney. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On April 23 2013 01:01 bgx wrote: It doesn't matter what Sundace says, isn't Blizzard the contractor? Tweet Mike tell him how you didnt like WCS NA qualifer, and then blizzard will investigate all of the fuckups of organization they employed (MLG). probably true, but when people blame mlg its not like a personal attack on sundance. whether the blame ultimately lies with blizzard or mlg people are just writing in mlg as short hand for the tens or hundreds of people who make the whole event happen. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 23 2013 02:17 Balthazar wrote: CombatEX had to temporarily quit after WCG Finals because of school. However, his semester ends in early May, so look forward to him returning to the competitive scene shortly! How many times has that guy raided threads with regards to the WSC? I was right all along. Either rapid fan-boy like the bad old days or perhaps I should say it's him. lmao | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
Aftermath : Biggest problem now are all of the damages caused by the registrationproces, huyn, faulty brackets and the hackers. Alot of good amateurs, semipro's and pro's are getting hard financial blows because of this shit. Is this shit nowadays called progaming?... and to make things even worse, there locked now in NA and are therefore stuck with the same organisation that fucked them in the first place. MLG.. killing esports since 2013. | ||
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LiLSighKoh
United States588 Posts
On April 23 2013 02:18 StarStruck wrote: It's their plan and it's their system. They outsourced it like usual, but here's the thing. They aren't acting in a sponsorship/endorsement role this time. The WCS is their brand. How anyone can think Blizzard shouldn't be accountable for the monstrosities that take place is beyond me. It wasn't there decision to cap the limit at 512, or have a double elim bracket. They set the foundation, and left it to the tournament organizers to determine how it would work. So yes, Blizzard is at some fault, but it's a big blunder by MLG none the less | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On April 23 2013 01:27 Ghanburighan wrote: TotalBiscuit just put out a content patch with his thoughts on the matter. Good stuff from TB, as always. However, I think you missed the point on the MLG fee. It wasn't that it was $18 (though that is very high for an entry fee to a qualifier) but it was that NA/EU/KR all have the same prize pool, but NA is the only one having to pay to play. That was my point at least. Why should NA have to pay to play when EU and KR do not, but it's the same prize for all. Also, as you even mention, there are many ways to avoid the problem of random lower league players to get into a tournament over more qualified players. Registration priority being a primary way and the way that GSL uses, which is what the format was supposed to be mimicking. They could have easily adopted the GSL priority and instead of ESF/Kespa teams getting top priority followed by masters players, they could have done NA teams, EU/KR teams, then masters players, then everyone else. Furthermore, there are websites with functionality that automatically checks and seeds players based on their ladder rank from the linked b.net profile (which MLG requests), so checking a players league can even be automated! And it would not be difficult for them to contact teams to find out which of their players are competing. Overall, so many simple mistakes were made that it is simply ridiculous that a tournament organizer as large as MLG has screwed up so badly. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18060 Posts
Both ESL and MLG were set up for failure based on a bad job done by Blizzard rushing the entire WCS 2013 into existence. That round of interviews Morhaime did with PCGamer, GameSpot et al.... looks silly now. such PR speak as "evolve the ecosystem" .. sorry ...but my bullshit meter is in the red zone now. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 23 2013 02:21 LiLSighKoh wrote: It wasn't there decision to cap the limit at 512, or have a double elim bracket. They set the foundation, and left it to the tournament organizers to determine how it would work. So yes, Blizzard is at some fault, but it's a big blunder by MLG none the less From that start of this Series leading right up to this point in time there have been a lot of issues when it comes to clarity. We've seen a lot of managers and players speak out about it. There is no congruence. This in itself is a problem and guess who's responsible with that when it comes to formatting? You said it yourself. Blizzard is just as liable as MLG. I don't see what else there is to talk about. They both need a wake up call. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On April 23 2013 02:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The common thread to all the problems with ESL and MLG is .. Blizzard. Both ESL and MLG were set up for failure based on a bad job done by Blizzard rushing the entire WCS 2013 into existence. That round of interviews Morhaime did with PCGamer, GameSpot et al.... looks silly now. such PR speak as "evolve the ecosystem" .. sorry ...but my bullshit meter is in the red zone now. I have to agree, MLG might have fucked up some parts of the qualifier. But most of the larger, shittier decisions were made by blizzard and are a result of their complete lack of planning. example: Not having any other casters able to cast the final games. Axslav and Axeltoss casted for like 9 hours, and they did a great job. But it absolutely kills the tournament to cast the finals a week later from replays. | ||
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freddergeier
Germany140 Posts
On April 23 2013 01:27 Ghanburighan wrote: TotalBiscuit just put out a content patch with his thoughts on the matter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRzJl8vlhWI could you give a brief summary? | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On April 23 2013 02:53 Darpa wrote: I have to agree, MLG might have fucked up some parts of the qualifier. But most of the larger, shittier decisions were made by blizzard and are a result of their complete lack of planning. example: Not having any other casters able to cast the final games. Axslav and Axeltoss casted for like 9 hours, and they did a great job. But it absolutely kills the tournament to cast the finals a week later from replays. I'm pretty sure that one's on MLG, not Blizzard. ESL, after all, had many different streams going on besides the official stream with Kaelaris. MLG also has a rule that forbids players from discussing the results of their matches. Sounds to me like MLG intended to milk the qualifier for broadcast-content for many more days by shutting out community casters and trying to keep the results hidden. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18060 Posts
On April 23 2013 02:53 Darpa wrote: I have to agree, MLG might have fucked up some parts of the qualifier. But most of the larger, shittier decisions were made by blizzard and are a result of their complete lack of planning. example: Not having any other casters able to cast the final games. Axslav and Axeltoss casted for like 9 hours, and they did a great job. But it absolutely kills the tournament to cast the finals a week later from replays. i recommend listening to TotalBiscuit's "Content Patch" show from the 8.5 minute mark on. in his usual plain speaking style he nails down the blame where it belongs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRzJl8vlhWI#t=8m35s it was posted earlier in this thread.. but this puts it at the right spot in the show. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Ok, but don't blame me if I misrepresent TB. There's a reason I posted the video rather than a summary, he makes quite refined points. He recounted the main problems: a) Hurried production, probably Blizz fault (but casters and prod. crew worked on their own initiative) b) Hyun situation lack of communication, bad for players he eliminated. c) Maphacker eliminated people, got through and then DQ. d) Chinese players excluded, especially bad that Comm was DQ'd at the brink of qualification. Should have just waved the rules at that point as it's bad for Comm and bad for everyone he eliminated. e) 500 man tournament reasonable, as EU was much too long. But participation should not have been entirely free. Fee would have helped, but vocal pitchforkers were given a say even though realistically every good player can get 18 bucks. There are other ways to achieve that the best players get in. f) A bit about it being bad that Koreans are taking over an NA tournament. e) Cannot keep results secret. Won't work. * Bonus, in the background there's a hilariously bad TvZ with mass-marine raven versus SH muta baneling. It was mesmerizing in the background. Now go watch the actual video for a much better version of the main points. | ||
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