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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 15:51:07
April 22 2013 15:49 GMT
#741
Blizzard's idea was a good one I think, letting established leagues/tournaments run the qualifiers, but they made a huge error in judgement in entrusting MLG to it. They have always seemed far more interested in squeezing out competition (IPL, now NASL) than ever actually delivering a superior product. It's clear they cut corners and did as little work as they thought they could get away with here.

I can't blame Blizzard much in the end, the vast majority of fault lies with MLG. No one should be happy with it, no one should accept it and say "oh well next time lol" MLG have been in this business longer than anyone else in North America, there's no excuses for this.
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
April 22 2013 15:53 GMT
#742
On April 23 2013 00:49 nihlon wrote:
So do you people not believe Blizzard are a part of rushing this whole thing like crazy? It's a bit weird not to put some blame of Blizzard when we wouldn't have this format without their participation and it certainly wouldn't have happened so soon.


Blizzard is def part of the problem, but it's more of a whole problem rather than just WCS NA.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
April 22 2013 15:54 GMT
#743
Agreed that MLG needs to be held accountable for THIS screw up but the larger issue with the WCS as a whole that fostered this type of garbage is on Blizzards shoulders and if we point out fingers to hard at MLG we miss the bigger problem.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
April 22 2013 15:54 GMT
#744
On April 23 2013 00:49 floor exercise wrote:
Blizzard's idea was a good one I think, letting established leagues/tournaments run the qualifiers, but they made a huge error in judgement in entrusting MLG to it. They have always seemed far more interested in squeezing out competition (IPL, now NASL) than ever actually delivering a superior product. It's clear they cut corners and did as little work as they thought they could get away with here.

I can't blame Blizzard much in the end, the vast majority of fault lies with MLG. No one should be happy with it, no one should accept it and say "oh well next time lol" MLG have been in this business longer than anyone else in North America, there's no excuses for this.


I fail to see how MLG had a part in pushing out IPL. IPL fell because of their desire to sell their brand and to transition to a different role, as well as the fact that their tournaments were not profitable yet. MLG didn't cause the fall of IPL hardly at all. I also find it hard to believe that you can push out competition with an inferior product. MLG hasn't been horrible befor this, they made some mistakes(PPV, extended series) but they rectified those issues before. All the problems of this joke of a qualified put them in a horrible light now but they weren't bad by any stretch before this.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Dracid
Profile Joined December 2009
United States280 Posts
April 22 2013 15:55 GMT
#745
On April 22 2013 23:52 Type|NarutO wrote:
Twitter Sundance/Me:

Sundance DiGiovanni ‏@MLGSundance 4h
Statement from MLG this morning regarding the WCS events of this past weekend. Not saying it was perfect but lots of bad info flying about.
Expand

Silvano Bovo Silvano Bovo ‏@NarutOSC2 4h
@MLGSundance Calling it 'not perfect' is an insult to the community to begin with.
Expand

Sundance DiGiovanni Sundance DiGiovanni ‏@MLGSundance 4h
@NarutOSC2 insult? Really? Somehow we don't see eye to eye on this. Did we make mistakes? Yes. Will we fix them? Yes.
Expand

Silvano Bovo Silvano Bovo ‏@NarutOSC2 24s
@MLGSundance My statement might be a bit harsh, always supported you but those mistakes seem to be unfixable. Waiting for the statement.


So I guess we'll have to wait. Really curious on how they are planning to fix it.


Yeah, I don't see any way for them to "fix" this. Run a second qualifier? Not fair to the people who have already qualified. Anything else? Not fair to the Chinese (among other) pros who weren't allowed a chance to qualify, nor to the people knocked down by Comm, Physicslee, or Hyun. "We'll do things better next time"? Not good enough. The point totals add up; missing out on a season puts you at a signification disadvantage for making it to the grand finals.

Personally, I'd prefer a second qualifier still given how thoroughly this one was messed up, but I highly, highly, doubt that will happen.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 16:01:29
April 22 2013 16:01 GMT
#746
It doesn't matter what Sundace says, isn't Blizzard the contractor?

Tweet Mike tell him how you didnt like WCS NA qualifer, and then blizzard will investigate all of the fuckups of organization they employed (MLG).
Stork[gm]
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 22 2013 16:27 GMT
#747
TotalBiscuit just put out a content patch with his thoughts on the matter.

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
smogg
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria167 Posts
April 22 2013 16:27 GMT
#748
Well, Blizzard did say that MLG, GOM, OSL and ESL can manage their own qualifiers any way they see fit, as long as Code A and Code S are all the same in the three regions. Which means Blizzard doesn't have much authority over the current situation.
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lue
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden27 Posts
April 22 2013 16:32 GMT
#749
On April 23 2013 00:55 Dracid wrote:
Yeah, I don't see any way for them to "fix" this. Run a second qualifier? Not fair to the people who have already qualified. Anything else? Not fair to the Chinese (among other) pros who weren't allowed a chance to qualify, nor to the people knocked down by Comm, Physicslee, or Hyun. "We'll do things better next time"? Not good enough. The point totals add up; missing out on a season puts you at a signification disadvantage for making it to the grand finals.

Personally, I'd prefer a second qualifier still given how thoroughly this one was messed up, but I highly, highly, doubt that will happen.


A second qualifier where the top 8 from this qualifier gets to face off against the top 8 of the second qualifier would be just fine.
That said, MLG should've just manned up and said "Ok we derped, we'll do better next time tho!"
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
April 22 2013 16:32 GMT
#750
On April 23 2013 01:32 lue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 00:55 Dracid wrote:
Yeah, I don't see any way for them to "fix" this. Run a second qualifier? Not fair to the people who have already qualified. Anything else? Not fair to the Chinese (among other) pros who weren't allowed a chance to qualify, nor to the people knocked down by Comm, Physicslee, or Hyun. "We'll do things better next time"? Not good enough. The point totals add up; missing out on a season puts you at a signification disadvantage for making it to the grand finals.

Personally, I'd prefer a second qualifier still given how thoroughly this one was messed up, but I highly, highly, doubt that will happen.


A second qualifier where the top 8 from this qualifier gets to face off against the top 8 of the second qualifier would be just fine.
That said, MLG should've just manned up and said "Ok we derped, we'll do better next time tho!"


That is actually a really good idea. Too good to ever happen, but a good idea.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
April 22 2013 16:34 GMT
#751
On April 23 2013 00:49 floor exercise wrote:
Blizzard's idea was a good one I think, letting established leagues/tournaments run the qualifiers, but they made a huge error in judgement in entrusting MLG to it. They have always seemed far more interested in squeezing out competition (IPL, now NASL) than ever actually delivering a superior product. It's clear they cut corners and did as little work as they thought they could get away with here.

I can't blame Blizzard much in the end, the vast majority of fault lies with MLG. No one should be happy with it, no one should accept it and say "oh well next time lol" MLG have been in this business longer than anyone else in North America, there's no excuses for this.

No, it is Blizzard's fault for rushing this so much.
stew_
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada239 Posts
April 22 2013 16:38 GMT
#752
i think mlg shouldve had similar requirements as code a qualifiers do in korea, such as:

master league (in this case, na server) over 1000 points

this would filter out so much of the people that either dont play on na or diamond and below players who really dont deserve to compete at this level.
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Dracid
Profile Joined December 2009
United States280 Posts
April 22 2013 16:41 GMT
#753
On April 23 2013 01:32 lue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 00:55 Dracid wrote:
Yeah, I don't see any way for them to "fix" this. Run a second qualifier? Not fair to the people who have already qualified. Anything else? Not fair to the Chinese (among other) pros who weren't allowed a chance to qualify, nor to the people knocked down by Comm, Physicslee, or Hyun. "We'll do things better next time"? Not good enough. The point totals add up; missing out on a season puts you at a signification disadvantage for making it to the grand finals.

Personally, I'd prefer a second qualifier still given how thoroughly this one was messed up, but I highly, highly, doubt that will happen.


A second qualifier where the top 8 from this qualifier gets to face off against the top 8 of the second qualifier would be just fine.
That said, MLG should've just manned up and said "Ok we derped, we'll do better next time tho!"


You know, I'd be completely okay with that. I don't think that will happen, but hey, maybe Sundance will prove me wrong.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
April 22 2013 16:47 GMT
#754
The only way to rectify this now is to redo the qualifiers for season 2
Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
April 22 2013 16:47 GMT
#755
The only major screwup I see is letting Hyun play. The chinese player situation sucks and dq'ing skilled comm is bad, but it is their own fault. Capping the tourny was a little silly as both days the time for each round was too long, over both days i think i spent more time waiting than play... Just add one more round and make wait time less.
shelfofjustice
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada24 Posts
April 22 2013 16:47 GMT
#756
On April 22 2013 23:44 s3rp wrote:
What i don't get about the whole Hyun fiasco is why the fuck did anybody actually play games against him ? It should've been perfectly clear to anyone that he wouldn't be allowed in this. My first reaction upon seeing Hyun as an opponent would've been "hmm something ain't right here , better contact an admin" .


You would've been waiting a good hour+ to get ahold of one and probably gotten walked over in the meantime. Admins were extremely undermanned for this event.
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 16:50:58
April 22 2013 16:50 GMT
#757
Apparently MLG chose to do the challenger qualifiers at the same time as Dreamhack, which means that players will have to choose between the two events( most players will choose the MLG qualfiers obviously).

Fuck you MLG, you're ruining Esports.
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
April 22 2013 16:51 GMT
#758
On April 23 2013 01:47 magnaflow wrote:
The only way to rectify this now is to redo the qualifiers for season 2


That will generate more problems rather than fix it.
It's too unfair for those who already qualified. It's an unfixable situation.
bulletbill
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada33 Posts
April 22 2013 16:54 GMT
#759
K the cap is not the problem what they should have done for all the qualifiers is copy the code a qualifier
example:
Korea
512 single elim ladder

1st in line is esf players
2nd is kespa
3rd is (korean region) master/gms with over i think at least 200-400 points
4th is any fuckin body (if theres room)

for NA
1st could be na based teams
2nd could be anyone on a pro team
3rd (na region) would be the same masters/gms over 200-400 points
4th any fucking body (if there's room)

for Europe
1st Europe based teams
2nd any team
3rd (Europe region) masters/gms over 200-400 points
4th any fucking body (if there's room)

with this entry system in place we have the players that deserve and also have a chance at winning the qualifier in the qualifier. Also this would eliminate the chances of players ALREADY IN CODE S to not be able to participate etc.
smogg
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria167 Posts
April 22 2013 16:56 GMT
#760
On April 23 2013 01:50 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Apparently MLG chose to do the challenger qualifiers at the same time as Dreamhack, which means that players will have to choose between the two events( most players will choose the MLG qualfiers obviously).

Fuck you MLG, you're ruining Esports.

*sigh* It's not entirely MLG's fault, but it is pretty sad.
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