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On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best.
Indeed. At this point, the only thing that they can really do is to restart the whole qualifier again. That, or make this season an "unofficial" WCS season, and shove in another one afterwards, out of their own pockets, of course.
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On April 22 2013 11:11 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. Its not. Only explenation would be that the onces who were probably gonna qualify, didnt fit the playbook for WCS NA 2013, which would not be good for maximizing profits and goals. Admins dont fuck up brackets... they had 24h to check, someone must have checked the brackets between saturday and sunday.. Next to the fact the banning of chinese player was really late, which strengtens my consiracytheory that MLG dq-ed some players out, or put players against each other that didnt fit the playbook.
I am not sure I will go that far. I am going hope that someone was provided with incorrect information or that the bracket on TL was really just incorrect. Normally this stuff is not some grand, overarching plan.
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On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best.
But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill?
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On April 22 2013 11:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:04 sitromit wrote:
Changing the brackets in an ongoing competition is the hip new tournament format. You never know who's going to play who next!!!
MLG is trailblazing!!! I can't even figure out what the hell is going on with this part. The whole Chinese thing seems to be a case of people not reading the rules, but this is just insane.
You know it's bad when even Plansix is appalled by MLG's actions :p
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On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense.
That's not entirely true.
Round 8 and round 12 had players who lost in the same winners' bracket put in the same losers' bracket.
However, round 10 had players from a different bracket.
I was also confused when I saw this on the MLG site, but in the end, the odds that in round 12 (losers' finals) two people, who had already met play again, was something like 1:10.
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MLG just ruined what was supposed to be the biggest SC2 event the North American scene has ever had. So dissapointing
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On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill?
Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything.
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On April 22 2013 11:15 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:05 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:04 sitromit wrote:
Changing the brackets in an ongoing competition is the hip new tournament format. You never know who's going to play who next!!!
MLG is trailblazing!!! I can't even figure out what the hell is going on with this part. The whole Chinese thing seems to be a case of people not reading the rules, but this is just insane. You know it's bad when even Plansix is appalled by MLG's actions :p
I'm not appalled. I am just confused and want to see what it happened. I don't just to conclusions on most things.
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On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything.
That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error.
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On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill?
Okay so it's not rigging... It's just complete and total incompetence then, that makes it.... slightly better?
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On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error.
Ah, so it was a simple mistake that they corrected. That is much better that what people were saying.
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United States97276 Posts
looking at the bracket that was generated at the end of last night, everything else appears the same. Maybe it was a mistake on MLG's part last night. edit: or i guess from my pictures they actually swapped Miya and Apocalypse
I find it hard to believe that with so many contributing to building the bracket on liquipedia that it could get messed up this badly.
+ Show Spoiler [last night] +
+ Show Spoiler [current] +
but these arent from their website so they cant really prove anything in the long run
They could have just dropped Miya and Apocalypse down in the wrong place
conclusion on next page
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On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best.
MLG has done well in the past, its a pretty bold claim to throw that all out and say they are actively trying to rig the outcome of a major tournament. Fumbling the organization or allowing the community to engage in rampant speculation without providing an official statement are more likely.
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On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill?
With so much going wrong in this tournament so far, i actually don't know what to think. The one thing i DO know though is that they're not fixing anything, they're making it worse now. People were eliminated by a cheater or other players who should not be able to participate, people got beaten because they seemingly played the wrong people, even if there is no bad intend on MLGs side (which i said, i don't know what to think about it), the only way to correct this whole mess (and it's nothing more than a mess, lets be honest here) would be a restart from scratch. It would be a hit their "ego" maybe, because they would have to admit that they screwed up, but for their reputations sake, that's the only way to rescue this event.
If their whole bracket is/was fubar, you have to start over. At least to me, that's the logical step.
MLG has done well in the past, its a pretty bold claim to throw that all out and say they are actively trying to rig the outcome of a major tournament. Fumbling the organization or allowing the community to engage in rampant speculation without providing an official statement are more likely.
If MLG did well would be up for discussion, but my opinion on that might be biased, so nvm. It's not my job to clarify or defend MLG, fact is, people got knocked out of the tournament by cheaters or "wrong opponents". You tell me, if this is actual a legit tournament or a cheap PPSL ripoff (maybe without cheating on MLGs part, but as much incompetence)
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error.
The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time.
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On April 22 2013 11:20 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. MLG has done well in the past, its a pretty bold claim to throw that all out and say they are actively trying to rig the outcome of a major tournament. Fumbling the organization or allowing the community to engage in rampant speculation without providing an official statement are more likely.
Expecting them to provide an office statement while the event is ongoing is pretty demanding too. I am sure they would like to talk with their staff and review what happened before making a bunch of statements. Real life does not move at the speed of internet speculation.
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doesn't bode well for the Premier WCS.
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On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time.
Nah man they need to get the players set up asap so they can play the games early and have the replays ready for the broadcast.
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On April 22 2013 11:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Okay so it's not rigging... It's just complete and total incompetence then, that makes it.... slightly better?
But they corrected their incompetence, and if people would back off the blind MLG hate, they could realize it.
Did MLG mess up? Absolutely. They reacted slowly to the participation of PhysicsLee, Comm, and Hyun. They are only allowing 512 people to participate, eliminating pros from a playing, by using a first come, first save basis. They used one stream and didn't show the final result, instead dragging it out. They messed up their own brackets. But I think people need to give them credit for addressing these issues, no matter how slowly, instead of not reacting at all.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 22 2013 11:23 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:
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I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. Nah man they need to get the players set up asap so they can play the games early and have the replays ready for the broadcast.
Oh my bad, let's run those replays that everyone knows the results too!
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