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The only reason we have Koreans in NA and fluff comments from Blizzard is due to MLG not wanting to have tournaments without Koreans. They're driven by ratings/money, so you can't put anything past them. Hackers, normally a problem in tournaments if no anti hack. Smurfing, normally a problem. But, did Koreans end up taking a maximum amount of spots or not, still? Who cares. Not getting worked up over code B Korea. Get back to me when there's a NA tournament.
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LOL this is actually so bad...
What happens to the people Hyun knocked out? Do they just... lose?
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On April 22 2013 11:25 Holdenintherye wrote:
LOL this is actually so bad...
What happens to the people Hyun knocked out? Do they just... lose?
Yeah they just lose.
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On April 22 2013 11:23 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Okay so it's not rigging... It's just complete and total incompetence then, that makes it.... slightly better? But they corrected their incompetence, and if people would back off the blind MLG hate, they could realize it. Did MLG mess up? Absolutely. They reacted slowly to the participation of PhysicsLee, Comm, and Hyun. They are only allowing 512 people to participate, eliminating pros from a playing, by using a first come, first save basis. They used one stream and didn't show the final result, instead dragging it out. They messed up their own brackets. But I think people need to give them credit for addressing these issues, no matter how slowly, instead of not reacting at all.
They didn't really address the issue, if they did then the players wouldn't of been so confused about who their next opponent was, instead MLG just stayed quiet and didn't tell the players anything that was going on and instead brushed them off ie: the case of hwangsin.
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On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time.
So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong.
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On April 22 2013 11:25 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:25 Holdenintherye wrote:
LOL this is actually so bad...
What happens to the people Hyun knocked out? Do they just... lose? Yeah they just lose.
Could you imagine if he showed up to his first match? That would have been a nightmare.
On April 22 2013 11:26 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:23 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Okay so it's not rigging... It's just complete and total incompetence then, that makes it.... slightly better? But they corrected their incompetence, and if people would back off the blind MLG hate, they could realize it. Did MLG mess up? Absolutely. They reacted slowly to the participation of PhysicsLee, Comm, and Hyun. They are only allowing 512 people to participate, eliminating pros from a playing, by using a first come, first save basis. They used one stream and didn't show the final result, instead dragging it out. They messed up their own brackets. But I think people need to give them credit for addressing these issues, no matter how slowly, instead of not reacting at all. They didn't really address the issue, if they did then the players wouldn't of been so confused about who their next opponent was, instead MLG just stayed quiet and didn't tell the players anything that was going on and instead brushed them off ie: the case of hwangsin.
Perhaps that was when they figured out the bracket was screwed up?
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United States97274 Posts
I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKET
The current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were:  JYP, Sage,  hendralisk, Miya,  Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order.
Top bracket to bottom:
Patraeus, Demuslim, etc...
However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time
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Nevermind
Shellshock1122 has the answer.
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On April 22 2013 11:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:11 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. Its not. Only explenation would be that the onces who were probably gonna qualify, didnt fit the playbook for WCS NA 2013, which would not be good for maximizing profits and goals. Admins dont fuck up brackets... they had 24h to check, someone must have checked the brackets between saturday and sunday.. Next to the fact the banning of chinese player was really late, which strengtens my consiracytheory that MLG dq-ed some players out, or put players against each other that didnt fit the playbook. I am not sure I will go that far. I am going hope that someone was provided with incorrect information or that the bracket on TL was really just incorrect. Normally this stuff is not some grand, overarching plan.
Read the freakin topic... There were 3, yes 3 different brackets seen on mlg website, + all the late dq-ing, letting huyn play twice... it just does not make sence, except seen from maximizing profits.. plz use your propaganda on someone else, because i fed up with your mlg fanboy propaganda.
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On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:
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I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong.
They should let the players who qualified in the winners bracket advance and run a new qualifier to determine the final 4 spots, with seeding based on the results from this incomplete qualifier. It's too late for that now though, we already know that Revival and Apocalypse qualified in the lower bracket.
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It is better with some things to accept that you made a mistake and then change it. But with brackets, what was wrong with just saying that there was a mistake made by the admins in listing the brackets and just going ahead with the 'wrong' brackets? I don't really see what would have been the downside...
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On April 22 2013 11:26 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:25 Dodgin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:25 Holdenintherye wrote:
LOL this is actually so bad...
What happens to the people Hyun knocked out? Do they just... lose? Yeah they just lose. Could you imagine if he showed up to his first match? That would have been a nightmare. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:26 Kieofire wrote:On April 22 2013 11:23 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:
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I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Okay so it's not rigging... It's just complete and total incompetence then, that makes it.... slightly better? But they corrected their incompetence, and if people would back off the blind MLG hate, they could realize it. Did MLG mess up? Absolutely. They reacted slowly to the participation of PhysicsLee, Comm, and Hyun. They are only allowing 512 people to participate, eliminating pros from a playing, by using a first come, first save basis. They used one stream and didn't show the final result, instead dragging it out. They messed up their own brackets. But I think people need to give them credit for addressing these issues, no matter how slowly, instead of not reacting at all. They didn't really address the issue, if they did then the players wouldn't of been so confused about who their next opponent was, instead MLG just stayed quiet and didn't tell the players anything that was going on and instead brushed them off ie: the case of hwangsin. Perhaps that was when they figured out the bracket was screwed up?
You could be right on that part, as the bracket swapping did happen when everyone was creeping up on LR10, didn't really put that much thought into it.
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On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time
Shellbot solves the mistery.
Well atleast, one of them. But i guess it was indeed, an error on their part.
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On April 22 2013 11:28 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:15 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. Its not. Only explenation would be that the onces who were probably gonna qualify, didnt fit the playbook for WCS NA 2013, which would not be good for maximizing profits and goals. Admins dont fuck up brackets... they had 24h to check, someone must have checked the brackets between saturday and sunday.. Next to the fact the banning of chinese player was really late, which strengtens my consiracytheory that MLG dq-ed some players out, or put players against each other that didnt fit the playbook. I am not sure I will go that far. I am going hope that someone was provided with incorrect information or that the bracket on TL was really just incorrect. Normally this stuff is not some grand, overarching plan. Read the freakin topic... There were 3, yes 3 different brackets seen on mlg website, + all the late dq-ing, letting huyn play twice... it just does not make sence, except seen from maximizing profits.. plz use your propaganda on someone else, because i fed up with your mlg fanboy propaganda.
I am going to steal a quote from the other thread to respond: "There is not enough tin foil in the known universe to sustain your needs..."
Shellbot solved it without the need for some crazy theory of racist brackets and DQs to take over the stock market with dirty Esports money.
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Aside from the other frustrations the silliest thing to me when participating was that, after many of us had already played our round 1 matches (and yes we used the bracket that was on the MLG site) they then change the bracket on us. I couldn't find an explanation anywhere.
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On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time
Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time??
I just want to know it
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:
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I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong.
Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4.
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At first this entire WCS situation was making me kind of angry, at this point it's just bumming me out :/
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On April 22 2013 11:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:28 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:05 rei wrote:
I know why they rigged the bracket half way through, they don't want jaedong to get knock out by a protoss I really hope not. I am hopping this is some sort of misunderstanding. Its not. Only explenation would be that the onces who were probably gonna qualify, didnt fit the playbook for WCS NA 2013, which would not be good for maximizing profits and goals. Admins dont fuck up brackets... they had 24h to check, someone must have checked the brackets between saturday and sunday.. Next to the fact the banning of chinese player was really late, which strengtens my consiracytheory that MLG dq-ed some players out, or put players against each other that didnt fit the playbook. I am not sure I will go that far. I am going hope that someone was provided with incorrect information or that the bracket on TL was really just incorrect. Normally this stuff is not some grand, overarching plan. Read the freakin topic... There were 3, yes 3 different brackets seen on mlg website, + all the late dq-ing, letting huyn play twice... it just does not make sence, except seen from maximizing profits.. plz use your propaganda on someone else, because i fed up with your mlg fanboy propaganda. I am going to steal a quote from the other thread to respond: "There is not enough tin foil in the known universe to sustain your needs..." Shellbot solved it without the need for some crazy theory of racist brackets and DQs to take over the stock market with dirty Esports money.
Thats nice
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On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time
At least. I actually hoped for that to be a hoax, because otherwise that actually could've hurt eSports for real.
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