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On April 22 2013 11:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:36 s3rp wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:
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Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit. Should have had more people running the tournament then so potential problem can be identified and dealt with earlier. Or run more than 1 fucking tournament for the whole damn qualifier. That is a valid argument or over more days. But live and learn. But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. I don't know how to prepare for an professional player trying to qualify on someone else's account. That is just so stupid I still can't believe they tried it.
People have been using other player's accounts on other servers all the time in wol. They didn't share the account in the tournament, he didn't pretend not to be somebody else and it was THE ONLY way for him to play in the tournament.
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On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. Show nested quote +ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake.
You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough.
If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it.
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On April 22 2013 11:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:36 s3rp wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:
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Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit. Should have had more people running the tournament then so potential problem can be identified and dealt with earlier. Or run more than 1 fucking tournament for the whole damn qualifier. That is a valid argument or over more days. But live and learn. But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. I don't know how to prepare for an professional player trying to qualify on someone else's account. That is just so stupid I still can't believe they tried it.
When you organize a big tournament like this you have to account for all kinds fuck ups and mistakes by everyone and potentially be prepared . You can't just run something severly undermanned and cross your fingers nothing stupid happens and be called anything but an amateur. ESL at least had enough Admins to run the tournaments although their production was a bit lacking.
Not to mention the way MLG ran their broadcast , which as a viewer is probably the thing i criticize the most. Trying to hide results and on purpose holding back the games to milk them for extra shows during the week is just straight up unacceptable for me. I can forgive honest mistakes but not this.
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the dqs + hyun completely messed up this tournament. how can they can continue and say this is in anyway legitimate results?
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On April 22 2013 11:48 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:39 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:36 s3rp wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:
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But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit. Should have had more people running the tournament then so potential problem can be identified and dealt with earlier. Or run more than 1 fucking tournament for the whole damn qualifier. That is a valid argument or over more days. But live and learn. But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. I don't know how to prepare for an professional player trying to qualify on someone else's account. That is just so stupid I still can't believe they tried it. People have been using other player's accounts on other servers all the time in wol. They didn't share the account in the tournament, he didn't pretend not to be somebody else and it was THE ONLY way for him to play in the tournament.
No, he played under someone else's MLG account that they use to register players for events. He was pretending(though poorly because he used Comm) to be someone else. It had nothing to do with a battlenet account.
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On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it.
Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck...
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The points 2-3 are enough to render this qualifier invalid.
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On April 22 2013 11:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:38 Rostam wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:
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Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit. Yeah, poor MLG, they really ran the event so well with no mistakes whatsoever. Just bad luck all this shit happened to them. Sorry, am I raining on your MLG hate parade by pointing out that all this shit was caused by players being idiots?
Way to go insulting the players btw, because it is not obvious the problems with the sign up/check system and how it was handled (or the lack of it).
Nah, we will just let HyuN play in and TL will sort it out spamming us. Not enough spam ? Resurrect him. Comm ? Who is that guy lol ? Oh look this guy has a cute nickname, Fruitbasket, like Fruitdealer. What ? Fruitbasket is Comm ? And he is tearing the bracket apart ? Ban that scrub.
Most of the "idiotic" stuff done by the players, was neither idiotic, but misshandled by MLG. So if you want to keep living in your devil's advocate world, sure pal, probably it's for the best. Btw the brackets, if i had a 1 million dollar bet, i would bet on MLG brackets being wrong, mostly because people who update liquipedia, often double check others people work. But well, we can't see how the MLG bracket was yesterday so, we will never know.
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On April 22 2013 11:48 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:39 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:36 s3rp wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:
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But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit. Should have had more people running the tournament then so potential problem can be identified and dealt with earlier. Or run more than 1 fucking tournament for the whole damn qualifier. That is a valid argument or over more days. But live and learn. But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. I don't know how to prepare for an professional player trying to qualify on someone else's account. That is just so stupid I still can't believe they tried it. When you organize a big tournament like this you have to account for all kinds fuck ups and mistakes by everyone and potentially be prepared . You can't just run something undermanned and cross you fingers nothing stupid happens and be called anything but an amateur. Not to mention the way they run their broadcast , which as a viewer is probably the thing i criticize the most. Trying to hide results and on purpose holding back the games to milk them for extra shows during the week is just straight up unacceptable for me. I can forgive honest mistake but not this.
That part is fucking stupid and a lame brain idea. I will not argue with that
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On April 22 2013 11:44 Spooony wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:41 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:36 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:33 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were:  JYP, Sage,  hendralisk, Miya,  Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When people dropped down from Winner Round 6, they came in in an order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and then they arranged them to play 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (they flipped them so no one would play someone they already played, I think). They accidentally put it something like 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1 (mixing up Miya and Apoc) so they had you playing Miya instead of Apoc. Can someone confirm this? they accidentally did it 8 7 4 5 6 3 2 1 instead of 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 but yes what you are saying is correct so, what is the real story then? am I wrong in this situation?? if I am, i will say sorry for make you confused. MLG is right and you were supposed to play Apocalypse On April 22 2013 11:37 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When the bracket was generated Miya and Apocalypse were put in the wrong spot. Apocalypse was supposed to be in your bracket and Miya was supposed to be in Heart's. This pattern is consistent with the rest of the seeding in the round. You had to play the person who lost between Apocalyse and Crank in the winners' bracket, and it was Apocalypse. Sorry you had to play your friend  So was the error on Liquipedia's end or MGLs? I am going to laugh real hard if someone just fucked on updating Liquipedia and it cause everyone to go all conspiracy theory on MLG. not sure. could be either one ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this. I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy. But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member. I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc. but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. Dude, no. You saw that you were playing Miya because the bracket said you were playing Miya. The original bracket you saw was an MLG mistake. They corrected their mistake and that's why the new bracket faced you off against Apoc. You have done NOTHING wrong. MLG owe you, Miya, Apoc & anyone else who was effected by this bracket screw up an apology.
How can you make this qualification such a mess. It's not like they are newbie or anything.
I feel really sorry for those affected players.
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On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck...
There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2?
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On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it.
I need to get over something? Didn't you just say one post ago that nothing was MLGs fault, and i have to get over something?
All i said is MLG fucked up on several occasions. Period. There's ONE guy in this thread (and all the others) that does not get over this fact and proves it with statements like "doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault.". And that's you, sorry.
Not to mention that you're kind of a leaf in the wind, saying "MLG did nothing wrong" and when you get called out on it you refer to "its just human to make mistakes". What now?
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how can such an bracket error even happen are they doing the bracket per hand, when there are thousands of algorithms for tournaments out there ?
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On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it.
I don't think saying " they screwed up, get over it. " is acceptable when you consider what is on the line here. In case you don't understand the WCS system for 2013 I'll explain it to you.
There are three seasons, with a season finals for each season. You get points for your placement in each season and season finals, plus some for non-wcs tournaments. If you are not able to get into the WCS qualifier for season 1, you not only miss out on being in the tournament itself but you are not able to be in Premier league until season 3 of this year because the way the qualifiers are done will be changed for season 2. In season 2 there will be no direct premier league qualifiers so you will have to qualify for challenger and then make your way to premier for season 3.
Because of this mistake a player with the potential to compete in all 3 of the season finals this year now has no possibility to make it to premier league or the season finals for the first two seasons, and because of that they also have 0 chance to make it to Blizzcon where the most money will be given out. If I was a pro gamer and this happened to me I would consider retiring.
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On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2?
I'm pretty sure that Huk said on twitter that he is helping his family with the money he makes. Why would it be the only one ?
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On April 22 2013 11:54 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. I need to get over something? Didn't you just say one post ago that nothing was MLGs fault, and i have to get over something? All i said is MLG fucked up on several occasions. Period. There's ONE guy in this thread (and all the others) that does not get over this fact and proves it with statements like "doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault.". And that's you, sorry. Not to mention that you're kind of a leaf in the wind, saying "MLG did nothing wrong" and when you get called out on it you refer to "its just human to make mistakes". What now?
Sorry, that came off more aggressive than I meant it to be. I'm kinda tired. I won't say they didn't make mistakes, but nothing worth the freaking out that is going on. And a lot of those mistakes were made in response to some really stupid shit done by players, or by not responding fast enough.
Its not that I think they ran a flawless event. I am just saying that they didn't make any mistakes I thing are worth getting upset about.
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On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2?
Because its there fucking job!
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On April 22 2013 11:07 Shodaa wrote:
I still can't get over the fact that there was originally a $20 fee for entering this qualifier ...
A lot of people (on SotG for example) actually agreed the entrance fee is a good agree (but $20 is too high, should be at most $10, maybe $5).
It discourages non-serious players from qualifying and potentially increasing up space for more serious players.
I mean, if a player honestly thinks they have a chance at doing well (and this isn't some other game, SC2 allows you to see how good you are with ladder ranking), then they'll pay to enter.
MLG actually had a $10 pay in fee for some online tournament or qualifier they had in the past before and even then, some non-serious players signed up just to see how fun it could be to try playing pros (not that it was wrong or anything).
If there is no fee at all, then obviously you'll see a ton of people that aren't really serious about playing or trying to win, sign up.
WCS EU should have had a small entrance fee too (Shuttle and a lot of other pro players wouldn't have gotten in if it weren't for someone giving up their spot).
The way GOMTV does it is they give priority to ESF and KeSPA players (which are easy to track down), then any pro players that are known outside of ESF and KeSPA (foreign players for example), then any ladder players that are masters or higher.
In Korea, it's easy to know who is in ESF and/or KeSPA , which is why the system works easily.
Outside of Korea, an entrance fee of like $5 or $10 would be acceptable IMO since it means that only players who are serious about the tournament will invest the money.
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I'm curious what the 23 IPl people Blizzard hired are doing, I would have thought they could have helped make sure both qualifiers ran smoothly.
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It's not easy to run a tournament of this magnitude and organize it well in such little time, but I think they could of handled some of this more professionally. The root of a lot of this non-sense with the chinese and korean players is the fact that they shouldn't even be allowed to enter a north american league, but thats a completely different topic.
Reading @MLGSundance's tweets today was just more slaps to the face. The guy tries to defend from the "wild accusations" and "misinformation" which for the most part are true. Has the nerve to actually post some reddit post about how someone got to play, and then writes
"Again - I could throw 5 dollar bills into a crowd of eSports fans and some of you would call me an asshole and ask for 10s"
Yeah, we are so ungrateful... what a suit.
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