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On April 22 2013 11:59 Laryleprakon wrote:
I'm curious what the 23 IPl people Blizzard hired are doing, I would have thought they could have helped make sure both qualifiers ran smoothly.
EU qualifier ran pretty smoothly, broadcast well, u can debate about that. But i have not heard any negative sentiments from proplayers about registering, rules and brackets....
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On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job!
Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument?
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On April 22 2013 12:01 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:59 Laryleprakon wrote:
I'm curious what the 23 IPl people Blizzard hired are doing, I would have thought they could have helped make sure both qualifiers ran smoothly. EU qualifier ran pretty smoothly, broadcast well, u can debate about that. But i have not heard any negative sentiments from proplayers about registering, rules and brackets....
Shuttle almost didn't get in because of the way the sign ups were set up. One of the TL members gave up his slot so Shuttle could compete and he qualified. But ESL didn't do anything to make sure he got into the bracket, it was a third party.
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On April 22 2013 12:03 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:01 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:59 Laryleprakon wrote:
I'm curious what the 23 IPl people Blizzard hired are doing, I would have thought they could have helped make sure both qualifiers ran smoothly. EU qualifier ran pretty smoothly, broadcast well, u can debate about that. But i have not heard any negative sentiments from proplayers about registering, rules and brackets.... Shuttle almost didn't get in because of the way the sign ups were set up. One of the TL members gave up his slot so Shuttle could compete and he qualified. But ESL didn't do anything to make sure he got into the bracket, it was a third party.
The difference, ESL didn't DQ shuttle. Don't you get it ?
If you know your system could cause this kind of troubles, you have to be lenient towards some kind of stuff, specially when you are talking about the motherfucking Comm.
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On April 22 2013 11:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:54 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. I need to get over something? Didn't you just say one post ago that nothing was MLGs fault, and i have to get over something? All i said is MLG fucked up on several occasions. Period. There's ONE guy in this thread (and all the others) that does not get over this fact and proves it with statements like "doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault.". And that's you, sorry. Not to mention that you're kind of a leaf in the wind, saying "MLG did nothing wrong" and when you get called out on it you refer to "its just human to make mistakes". What now? Sorry, that came off more aggressive than I meant it to be. I'm kinda tired. I won't say they didn't make mistakes, but nothing worth the freaking out that is going on. And a lot of those mistakes were made in response to some really stupid shit done by players, or by not responding fast enough. Its not that I think they ran a flawless event. I am just saying that they didn't make any mistakes I thing are worth getting upset about.
Guess it's okay, same goes for me (and i'm from the EU, its 5:00 in the morning...... Qq).
Well, maybe it's nothing to get hysterical over, i might agree there. But some things are just fubar, the hwangsin-thing for example. A player wasting a whole day because someone f'ed up at MLGs side, that's worth getting upset about. That's what being a "fan" is about.
And yeah, people did stupid stuff like cheating, or smurfing (even though i still think a ban was too harsh), but that's by far not the only thing that got screwed up - just keep in mind the brackets, and actually the whole format (casting from replays with outcomes already being known etc, can't word it better now since i'm really tired).
Still, that's the first answer from your side that actually seems legit and like a personal opinion, which is fine to me. I accept it (this way) - but you kinda played the devils advocate too stronk a couple of times, that's why you got all the flak. Just keep real, then discussions are way easier to handle for all sides.
I'm sorry if this post doesn't make sense, i'm sleepy as hell and will go to bed now. Have fun though. 
PS: fanboy. ;>
Shuttle almost didn't get in because of the way the sign ups were set up. One of the TL members gave up his slot so Shuttle could compete and he qualified. But ESL didn't do anything to make sure he got into the bracket, it was a third party.
You see.. That's exactly what happened with Comm.. Do you see the difference in outcome though? ESL did not make sure he got into the bracket, but they did not DQ the "third party" like MLG did. Get it?
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On April 22 2013 11:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:48 Awesomeness wrote:On April 22 2013 11:39 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:36 s3rp wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:
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Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit. Should have had more people running the tournament then so potential problem can be identified and dealt with earlier. Or run more than 1 fucking tournament for the whole damn qualifier. That is a valid argument or over more days. But live and learn. But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. I don't know how to prepare for an professional player trying to qualify on someone else's account. That is just so stupid I still can't believe they tried it. People have been using other player's accounts on other servers all the time in wol. They didn't share the account in the tournament, he didn't pretend not to be somebody else and it was THE ONLY way for him to play in the tournament. No, he played under someone else's MLG account that they use to register players for events. He was pretending(though poorly because he used Comm) to be someone else. It had nothing to do with a battlenet account.
I'm not saying that he didn't brake the rules here. But the problem is that he should have been in the tournament in the first place and MLG should have had the decency to look the other way here, because THEY screwed up. It's not like he was maphacking or anything and this didn't affect any other players in the tournament, having a wrong MLG-account should be a warning or something and not a disqualification. To have the player play all the way to the final round an then disqualify him is just a fucking disgusting move.
Why you can't admit that MLG screwed up on multiple occasions in this tournament is beyond me.
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On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument?
U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important!
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On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job!
i love it, this might go in my sig
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On April 22 2013 12:06 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument? U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important!
I have both. As previously stated I work at a law firm. And sometimes I make mistakes at both and people get over it. Sometimes it even costs people money. It happens and we all move on, understanding that no one meant for the mistake to happen.
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On April 22 2013 12:05 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:50 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Awesomeness wrote:On April 22 2013 11:39 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:36 s3rp wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:
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That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit. Should have had more people running the tournament then so potential problem can be identified and dealt with earlier. Or run more than 1 fucking tournament for the whole damn qualifier. That is a valid argument or over more days. But live and learn. But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. I don't know how to prepare for an professional player trying to qualify on someone else's account. That is just so stupid I still can't believe they tried it. People have been using other player's accounts on other servers all the time in wol. They didn't share the account in the tournament, he didn't pretend not to be somebody else and it was THE ONLY way for him to play in the tournament. No, he played under someone else's MLG account that they use to register players for events. He was pretending(though poorly because he used Comm) to be someone else. It had nothing to do with a battlenet account. I'm not saying that he didn't brake the rules here. But the problem is that he should have been in the tournament in the first place and MLG should have had the decency to look the other way here, because THEY screwed up. It's not like he was maphacking or anything and this didn't affect any other players in the tournament, having a wrong MLG-account should be a warning or something and not a disqualification. To have the player play all the way to the final round an then disqualify him is just a fucking disgusting move. Why you can't admit that MLG screwed up on multiple occasions in this tournament is beyond me.
MLG screw up so bad that they don't dare to admit it.
Not even letting a Chinese champion into a 512 group is hilarious. And DQ someone for using other account is disgusting.
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On April 22 2013 12:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:06 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument? U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important! I have both. As previously stated I work at a law firm. And sometimes I make mistakes at both and people get over it. Sometimes it even costs people money. It happens and we all move on, understanding that no one meant for the mistake to happen.
If you work at a law firm you should understand better than anyone that certain mistakes people don't just "get over."
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On April 22 2013 12:05 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:58 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:54 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. I need to get over something? Didn't you just say one post ago that nothing was MLGs fault, and i have to get over something? All i said is MLG fucked up on several occasions. Period. There's ONE guy in this thread (and all the others) that does not get over this fact and proves it with statements like "doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault.". And that's you, sorry. Not to mention that you're kind of a leaf in the wind, saying "MLG did nothing wrong" and when you get called out on it you refer to "its just human to make mistakes". What now? Sorry, that came off more aggressive than I meant it to be. I'm kinda tired. I won't say they didn't make mistakes, but nothing worth the freaking out that is going on. And a lot of those mistakes were made in response to some really stupid shit done by players, or by not responding fast enough. Its not that I think they ran a flawless event. I am just saying that they didn't make any mistakes I thing are worth getting upset about. Guess it's okay, same goes for me (and i'm from the EU, its 5:00 in the morning...... Qq). Well, maybe it's nothing to get hysterical over, i might agree there. But some things are just fubar, the hwangsin-thing for example. A player wasting a whole day because someone f'ed up at MLGs side, that's worth getting upset about. That's what being a "fan" is about. And yeah, people did stupid stuff like cheating, or smurfing (even though i still think a ban was too harsh), but that's by far not the only thing that got screwed up - just keep in mind the brackets, and actually the whole format (casting from replays with outcomes already being known etc, can't word it better now since i'm really tired). Still, that's the first answer from your side that actually seems legit and like a personal opinion, which is fine to me. I accept it (this way) - but you kinda played the devils advocate too stronk a couple of times, that's why you got all the flak. Just keep real, then discussions are way easier to handle for all sides. I'm sorry if this post doesn't make sense, i'm sleepy as hell and will go to bed now. Have fun though. PS: fanboy. ;> Show nested quote +Shuttle almost didn't get in because of the way the sign ups were set up. One of the TL members gave up his slot so Shuttle could compete and he qualified. But ESL didn't do anything to make sure he got into the bracket, it was a third party. You see.. That's exactly what happened with Comm.. Do you see the difference in outcome though? ESL did not make sure he got into the bracket, but they did not DQ the "third party" like MLG did. Get it?
Yes, but they told ESL what they were doing. If Comm and his team had told MLG and they said no, you can't do it, I would say MLG was being unreasonable. But the way Comm did it without telling anyone and then getting "caught" makes me fall on the side of DQing him.
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On April 22 2013 12:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:06 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry. No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument? U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important! I have both. As previously stated I work at a law firm. And sometimes I make mistakes at both and people get over it. Sometimes it even costs people money. It happens and we all move on, understanding that no one meant for the mistake to happen.
When a caraccident happens and its your fault. The guy gets his legs torn off and is an invalide. He cant work because of ur fault. Ill bet there are laywers enough out there that will get him payed his damages and future damages.
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On April 22 2013 12:12 Spooony wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 12:06 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. [quote]
No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument? U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important! I have both. As previously stated I work at a law firm. And sometimes I make mistakes at both and people get over it. Sometimes it even costs people money. It happens and we all move on, understanding that no one meant for the mistake to happen. If you work at a law firm you should understand better than anyone that certain mistakes people don't just "get over."
I know that as well and I am really good at identifying what those are. MLG didn't make any of those tonight in my opinion. Their mistakes were minor or were caused by players being idiots.
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On April 22 2013 12:12 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 12:06 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. [quote]
No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument? U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important! "Mistakes happened and we move on." That's exactly what's wrong with MLG, and the world. I have both. As previously stated I work at a law firm. And sometimes I make mistakes at both and people get over it. Sometimes it even costs people money. It happens and we all move on, understanding that no one meant for the mistake to happen. When a caraccident happens and its your fault. The guy gets his legs torn off and is an invalide. He cant work because of ur fault. Ill bet there are laywers enough out there that will get him payed his damages and future damages.
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On April 22 2013 12:15 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:12 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 12:06 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:
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And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize.
[quote] You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument? U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important! "Mistakes happened and we move on." That's exactly what's wrong with MLG, and the world. I have both. As previously stated I work at a law firm. And sometimes I make mistakes at both and people get over it. Sometimes it even costs people money. It happens and we all move on, understanding that no one meant for the mistake to happen. When a caraccident happens and its your fault. The guy gets his legs torn off and is an invalide. He cant work because of ur fault. Ill bet there are laywers enough out there that will get him payed his damages and future damages.
"Mistakes happened and we move on." That's exactly what's wrong with MLG, and the world.
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didn't like this at all... messy tournament... no brackets updates... lots of misinformation.... really bad... anyway... brace yourselves, DreamHack is coming next week!
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On April 22 2013 12:12 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 12:06 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize. [quote]
No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake. You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument? U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important! I have both. As previously stated I work at a law firm. And sometimes I make mistakes at both and people get over it. Sometimes it even costs people money. It happens and we all move on, understanding that no one meant for the mistake to happen. When a caraccident happens and its your fault. The guy gets his legs torn off and is an invalide. He cant work because of ur fault. Ill bet there are laywers enough out there that will get him payed his damages and future damages.
I don't know what argument you are trying to make, but you are making it really poorly. Nothing that happened to day resembled someone losing a limb.
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On April 22 2013 12:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:12 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 12:06 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:
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And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize.
[quote] You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument? U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important! I have both. As previously stated I work at a law firm. And sometimes I make mistakes at both and people get over it. Sometimes it even costs people money. It happens and we all move on, understanding that no one meant for the mistake to happen. When a caraccident happens and its your fault. The guy gets his legs torn off and is an invalide. He cant work because of ur fault. Ill bet there are laywers enough out there that will get him payed his damages and future damages. I don't know what argument you are trying to make, but you are making it really poorly. Nothing that happened to day resembled someone losing a limb.
Ohh please... MLG fucked up in a way that progamers cant do there job right (exactly the same thing as with the caraccident). And u just wave it away, its not that simple. Go ask your laywerfriends.
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On April 22 2013 11:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:36 s3rp wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:
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Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit. Should have had more people running the tournament then so potential problem can be identified and dealt with earlier. Or run more than 1 fucking tournament for the whole damn qualifier. That is a valid argument or over more days. But live and learn. But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. I don't know how to prepare for an professional player trying to qualify on someone else's account. That is just so stupid I still can't believe they tried it.
Sure u can make mistakes, but the mistakes MLG did are just too big to just say "ohh, all is over just wait for the next one in 3-4 month".
WCS League/Point System as it is wont give u a good shot for a Season Final or even the WorldCup for this year if u are not in the Premier League after the first Qualifier. Pro Gaming isnt that well established and these players/teams rly needed the exposure WCS could get them.
Now they are way behind cause of how bad this Qualifier, that decided ur whole year most likely, had been run. The players that get into Premier/Challenger from it can plan this year way better on how to focus at sc2 instead of the others so they have an unfair advantage cause some other pro players didnt even had the chance to compete in it.
It just seems that MLG wanted to run this qualifier at minimum cost with maximum profit (trying to hide the results now and spreading the casting over days to make more money on ads also points into that direction)!!!!
With WCS being hyped like it was MLG should have expected a high number of players who wanted to compete in it, but they didnt get the manpower (more admins, more casters). Also it seems either the communication between MLG and the Players were very slow/bad or they just had not enough manpower as said before. But thats just no excuse for mistakes like that case with Hyun or giving some more in the NA scene known guys seeds into qualifier but not the WCS Champions from other Regions from last years WCS.
So MLG should have been better organized and should have informed the players/teams better and should have stepped up their game after they realized which mistakes they made, instead of trying to get away with this poor production and just getting the maximum amount of money out of it where sc2 is still popular in the western scene.
I cant support/watch any MLG product if they wont get their shit together and correct some mistakes they did.
I wont support Organizers who just want to milk out the profit, cause they know blizzard is pushing sc2 at the moment and with one more expansion to go that will also peak again in interest, but harming esports and not helping its growth cause of how poorly they run it
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