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Estonia329 Posts
Strong stable KR player. player 3x ro8 = 1500pts Lucky bracket NA/EU guy Season1: ro4 + global final ro12 = 1500 pts Season2: drops out in ro32 = 100 pts Season3: drops out in codeA qualifiers = 25 pts, total 1650pts Which guy deserves a spot in blizzcon more? ( Yeah i know anybody with under 3000 pts probably has no chance anyway, but still this system rewards weekend warriors way too much ) | ||
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HobyHarro
United States30 Posts
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:24 LighT. wrote: It's essentially a trade off. It's either.. DO YOU WANT MORE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTHER NATIONS OTHER THAN KOREA? or.... DO YOU WANT TO SEE MORE HIGHER LEVEL COMPETITION? More higher level competition and good games please. All I really wanted was to be able to watch GSL with a newer and much much much better game, but then they had to ruin it before it had a chance. A HotS GSL without the talent being diluted to other regions would have been so much better than a one-sided weekend tournament. The WCS weekend finals are much less interesting than Code S, especially since up to 15 players could be playing with jet lag and not at their best depending on where it's held and if Koreans win every spot. | ||
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
On April 17 2013 00:43 Waxangel wrote: 8 new players into each new NA/EU season vs 22 for KR what the fuck THIS! absolutely in excusable and ridiculous. | ||
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:24 LighT. wrote: It's essentially a trade off. It's either.. DO YOU WANT MORE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTHER NATIONS OTHER THAN KOREA? or.... DO YOU WANT TO SEE MORE HIGHER LEVEL COMPETITION? No it fucking isn't for god sake. Before this year WCS announcement we had the GSL and nothing for foreigners and after it we STILL have the GSL, some tournaments MOSTLY for foreigners then 3 Seasonal Finals and 1 Yearly Grand final. So, we get more representatives from other countries, but obviously less than lass year AND we get more high level competition with more tournaments. On April 17 2013 01:32 Clefairy wrote: More higher level competition and good games please. All I really wanted was to be able to watch GSL with a newer and much much much better game, but then they had to ruin it before it had a chance. A HotS GSL without the talent being diluted to other regions would have been so much better than a one-sided weekend tournament. The WCS weekend finals are much less interesting than Code S, especially since up to 15 players could be playing with jet lag and not at their best depending on where it's held and if Koreans win every spot. How, when 6 of the 16 players will be playing in THEIR OWN REGION are they all going to be as jet lagged as you state? In fact, given the time between WCS Regional Seasons finishing and the Regional final starting they can, if they choose, travel WELL in advance of their play dates to make sure they're adjusted. | ||
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
im sorry but if thats true thats just dumb thats a lot of money just to qualify i mean good for bunny and im gald there trying to help out the lesser known players but just cause you got into the tourney doesnt mean you should get money, you should need to actually win more to be placed into the money atleast top 8 not the quailfers but besides that cool i guess | ||
Waxangel
United States33643 Posts
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:35 starslayer wrote: Finally makes his name in the qualifier yesterday and now finds he's $1.5k richer, even if he doesn't win another map! im sorry but if thats true thats just dumb thats a lot of money just to qualify i mean good for bunny and im gald there trying to help out the lesser known players but just cause you got into the tourney doesnt mean you should get money, you should need to actually win more to be placed into the money atleast top 8 not the quailfers but besides that cool i guess 24-32nd placers in Premier League get $1.5k... it's right there... Crazy went 0-4 in the GSL WCS KR last week and will get his $1.5k... | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
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Branman
United States203 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:31 LighT. wrote: You do make a solid argument about why most koreans would be deterred from WCS: NA if theyre from Korean league teams unless youre loaded (ie. MC/Nestea/MVP etc) But Korea DOESNT have many more invites than every other country. WCS:KR is basically WCS: Asia, call it WCS:Asia and you'll still have the same result because there isnt a single player outside of Korea (no disrespect to XiGua, Jim and Sen) that would do climb up the ranks otherwise. And Blizzard is giving the equal treatment of seeds by implying WCS: Asia = WCS:NA. How ridiculous is that!! The whole moving to NA/Eu is a big deal. If Koreans want to become a part of the NA/EU scene, they are welcome. We could use more players like Polt. Last I checked, not too many Koreans signed up for the WCS/NA qualifier due to actual obligations. EG-TL can't really participate in the qualifier because it goes from midnight KST until 10:00 am KST the night after a Proleague match. The tower-defense that is the EU qualification tournament right now is also proving that you really can't expect to qualify for another continent's code s by playing a tournament all night. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:33 MVTaylor wrote: No it fucking isn't for god sake. Before this year WCS announcement we had the GSL and nothing for foreigners and after ti we STILL have the GSL, some tournaments MOSTLY for foreigners then 3 Seasonal Finals and 1 Yearly Grand final. So, we get more representatives from other countries, but obviously less than lass year AND we get more high level competition with more tournaments. No....youre wrong. So completely wrong You arent getting my freakin point. WCS: NA = 5 Seeds WCS: KR = 5 Seeds Although 5=5 may look like balance. IT ISNT. Am I complaining that there's a WCS:NA? NO. So dont bring that up. In the Seasons Finals and Blizzcon, by equating the seeds for each region, you're dropping off the level of competition. Tell me that a 5th place WCS:KR player is equivalent in skill to a 5th place of a WCS: EU Player. WCS: Korea or...might as well call it WCS: Asia CLEARLY deserves some sort of advantage or perks because it's the most competitive BY FAR. But there isnt. A Flash or a Rain = Goody? Thorzain?? Dont make me laugh. Again stressing my point: MORE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTHER NATIONS HAS A INVERT RELATIONHIP TO THE LEVEL OF COMPETITION IN THE SEASON FINALS. | ||
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:33 MVTaylor wrote: How, when 6 of the 16 players will be playing in THEIR OWN REGION are they all going to be as jet lagged as you state? In fact, given the time between WCS Regional Seasons finishing and the Regional final starting they can, if they choose, travel WELL in advance of their play dates to make sure they're adjusted. If Koreans playing from Korea win all 16 spots and the finals are in another country. If they travel in advance hopefully Blizzard is providing accommodation because some Korean teams won't be able to afford it. | ||
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PixelNite
France1008 Posts
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Branman
United States203 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:42 PixelNite wrote: Haha all the koreans complaining about it on Twitter ... Wouldn't have mind Korea to have a bigger pricepool since it's the hardest league. If Koreans are the best, then they shouldn't worry about the prize pool as they will have the opportunity to win the season finals. If they are worried about being upset by non-koreans, then they should be complaining. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:39 Branman wrote: The whole moving to NA/Eu is a big deal. If Koreans want to become a part of the NA/EU scene, they are welcome. We could use more players like Polt. Last I checked, not too many Koreans signed up for the WCS/NA qualifier due to actual obligations. EG-TL can't really participate in the qualifier because it goes from midnight KST until 10:00 am KST the night after a Proleague match. The tower-defense that is the EU qualification tournament right now is also proving that you really can't expect to qualify for another continent's code s by playing a tournament all night. As you mentioned. They cant cause of SPL/GSTL obligations. Especially the SPL teams which has their league spanning the entire year. The greatest benefits are the koreans in foreigner teams because they have more flexibility and leverage. korean teams arent going to suddenly pack their belongings and move to NA , throwing away GSTL/SPL just for a crack at easier competition in WCS:NA. The logistics of that is inane.. Knowing that competition will always be 4-5x greater in WCS:KR than WCS: EU/NA, they should have sorted it accordingly. | ||
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JamesArk
Canada37 Posts
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:42 PixelNite wrote: Haha all the koreans complaining about it on Twitter ... Wouldn't have mind Korea to have a bigger pricepool since it's the hardest league. No freakin shit the koreans would be complaining about them The biggest losers out of all of this are the korean players in Korea. The idea that they have no additional perks is stupid. | ||
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:26 EleanorRIgby wrote: is kespa/gom pressuring blizzard in to favouring them so much or something? This is not fair at all. You could say it's not fair at all for people living in Korea. The competition is clearly a few levels above anywhere else, yet the prize pools are the same. | ||
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Branman
United States203 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:44 LighT. wrote: As you mentioned. They cant cause of SPL/GSTL obligations. Especially the SPL teams which has their league spanning the entire year. The greatest benefits are the koreans in foreigner teams because they have more flexibility and leverage. korean teams arent going to suddenly pack their belongings and move to NA , throwing away GSTL/SPL just for a crack at easier competition in WCS:NA. The logistics of that is inane.. Knowing that competition will always be 4-5x greater in WCS:KR than WCS: EU/NA, they should have sorted it accordingly. The thing is... the stated goal of blizzard is to make Koreans and their team houses move to EU/NA. The point is to make SC2 a more global game where your skill level isn't dependent on where you live. If this balances the ladder where the top of the Korean ladder is at the same level as the NA/EU ladder, then mission accomplished. | ||
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