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Cinim
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark866 Posts
April 16 2013 16:14 GMT
#41
On April 17 2013 00:38 LighT. wrote:
beat me to it.

Cons:
- They took away the prestige of GSL/OSL further by completely depleting the prize pool for 1st/2nd place.
Winner receiving 20k is like nothing compared to last year...
- Seasons Finals: 5/5/5 +1 format. It should have been biased more towards Korea than Europe/America
Maybe something like 4/4/7+Parting, and then the next season: 4/4/8

5/5/5 +1 format is setting up for some cannon fodder for players like Life/Parting/Innovation/Flash against some of the lower NA/EU players


Prestige and prize-money has no direct correlation....
Hell, it's about time
rQdjay
Profile Joined November 2011
United States22 Posts
April 16 2013 16:15 GMT
#42
On April 17 2013 00:59 aike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 00:46 LighT. wrote:
Biggest complaint:
Theres no bias towards Korea although there should be a little bit of leverage towards them.


One country gets 5 spots. NA has 35 countries. EU has 50 countries. Plus the random other countries in africa/asia/SEA. So like 100 countries get 10 spots.


Hmmm. Korea has no bias?

ON TOP of the fact that koreans are invited to premier leagues of NA and EU?


You could also make a WCS South America/Africa/China joint division and it still wouldn't matter simply because the skill isn't there... Population is not correlated at all with skill.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 16 2013 16:15 GMT
#43
On April 17 2013 00:59 aike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 00:46 LighT. wrote:
Biggest complaint:
Theres no bias towards Korea although there should be a little bit of leverage towards them.


One country gets 5 spots. NA has 35 countries. EU has 50 countries. Plus the random other countries in africa/asia/SEA. So like 100 countries get 10 spots.


Hmmm. Korea has no bias?

ON TOP of the fact that koreans are invited to premier leagues of NA and EU?

Dont look at it from a countries perspective.
Look at it from the skill perspective.
The top 100 players...
like 90 of them are Korean.
They're clearly deserving of more seeds.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#44
Like a lot of people my complaints are basically about lack of bias and preference for Koreans. They are the best, they deserve to be paid like the best. If NA/EU step it up, then even it out.

The seeds are also whack. They need to do it similar to the Champions League. Each region gets a coefficient based on performance. Better league performance = more players in the Champions League. So basically if Korea continues to dominate the WCS final, then they should get more spots.
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LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
April 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#45
On April 17 2013 01:11 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 01:10 geokilla wrote:
On April 17 2013 01:08 aike wrote:
On April 17 2013 01:02 Siwelcela wrote:
Honestly if you are in code A in europe or america there is no reason to play with the possibility of winning enough to eat for a few weeks while the season is at least two months. What are these guys supposed to do about literally everything else in there lives. Why would blizz make a new global league and only make it viable to play in for part of code S. 1500 over two and a half months means ramen and parents basement. Love that they are trying but a multi billion dollar corporation cant give out a little more?


almost 2 million a year isn't enough? lol.

My rent: $300/mo
Phone: $50/mo
Car Insurance: $100/mo

That means after the $750/mo

I still have $300 for food. Now idk where you live, but ramen isn't that expensive.

I'm pretty sure for a player to win the $20k or whatever. Not the $1.6 million overall prize distribution.

More I read about the WCS, more I dislike it. Old GSL and individual leagues were better.

i like wcs , im hyped


I'm in favor of it! Its nice to have a true "Champion" for the year instead of so many tournaments where it's hard to keep track unless you are constantly watching all the time. As an older fan, married, I'm looking forward to knowing when a tournaments is truly "MUST WATCH" and not always feel like I'm behind because I don't have the free time I used to have. Now the WCS finals, and even the season finals will be a big time draw.
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
April 16 2013 16:18 GMT
#46
On April 17 2013 01:13 sitromit wrote:
20K for winning the most difficult tournament in the world. LOL...


Plus a minimum extra of $5k from the Seasonal Final, even if you don't win a map.
@followMVT
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 16:20:45
April 16 2013 16:19 GMT
#47
On April 17 2013 00:56 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 00:46 LighT. wrote:
Biggest complaint:
Theres no bias towards Korea although there should be a little bit of leverage towards them.

Koreans will dominate KR, NA and a part of EU league, as well as the season finals.

You cannot be serious.

No they wont dominate Europe this year.
there will likely be 1 korean max and that's MVP.
You're out of your mind if you think Finale/Tails will get anywhere.
And if they do...they just support my argument further that there needs to be more bias towards the koreans.

WCS:NA has an interesting case with 20 or so koreans in there but the skill level isnt as good as WCS:KR.
So lets say youre korean..if you move to another WCS Qualifier, you're
- competing in an easier environment
- equal amount of seeds = no drawbacks
- same prize pool as WCS:KR, so for facing inferior competition if you win the thing, you get the same # of a Korean would winning his WCS: KR in a stacked league.

TB summed it up pretty well of what point IM trying to get across.
I am serious.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
April 16 2013 16:20 GMT
#48
On April 17 2013 01:16 lichter wrote:
Like a lot of people my complaints are basically about lack of bias and preference for Koreans. They are the best, they deserve to be paid like the best. If NA/EU step it up, then even it out.

The seeds are also whack. They need to do it similar to the Champions League. Each region gets a coefficient based on performance. Better league performance = more players in the Champions League. So basically if Korea continues to dominate the WCS final, then they should get more spots.


They get an entire WCS to themselves and then mercenaries in all the other WCS divisions taking spots...
@followMVT
Branman
Profile Joined March 2013
United States203 Posts
April 16 2013 16:21 GMT
#49
On April 17 2013 01:15 LighT. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 00:59 aike wrote:
On April 17 2013 00:46 LighT. wrote:
Biggest complaint:
Theres no bias towards Korea although there should be a little bit of leverage towards them.


One country gets 5 spots. NA has 35 countries. EU has 50 countries. Plus the random other countries in africa/asia/SEA. So like 100 countries get 10 spots.


Hmmm. Korea has no bias?

ON TOP of the fact that koreans are invited to premier leagues of NA and EU?

Dont look at it from a countries perspective.
Look at it from the skill perspective.
The top 100 players...
like 90 of them are Korean.
They're clearly deserving of more seeds.


You don't want to do that otherwise it will lead to a super-boring competition. Imagine if the world cup only had teams from Europe and South America and that each country could send multiple teams. Brazil II vs. Germany II would be a snoozer of a match because you know that they are the 'B' teams.
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
April 16 2013 16:21 GMT
#50
Seems fine to me.I like the prize distribution.
All I do is Stim.
NVRLand
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden203 Posts
April 16 2013 16:21 GMT
#51
Hmm... I disliked WCS a lot when it was first announced but maybe that was only because they made it seem so confusing. If they would've just said "We'll be adding an american and european gsl" I would be all aboard from the beginning.

I like the way we now have three code s and hope that eu/am code s can reach the same level as kr code s (in popularity and prestige, long way to go skill wise) but I kinda feel like they've removed a lot from kr code s.

Kr code s WILL be the hardest competition and I feel like when the "final" wcs starts the guys who've won code s already achieved the big thing and now just has to sweep some foreigners to get the prize money...
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 16 2013 16:23 GMT
#52
On April 17 2013 01:21 Branman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 01:15 LighT. wrote:
On April 17 2013 00:59 aike wrote:
On April 17 2013 00:46 LighT. wrote:
Biggest complaint:
Theres no bias towards Korea although there should be a little bit of leverage towards them.


One country gets 5 spots. NA has 35 countries. EU has 50 countries. Plus the random other countries in africa/asia/SEA. So like 100 countries get 10 spots.


Hmmm. Korea has no bias?

ON TOP of the fact that koreans are invited to premier leagues of NA and EU?

Dont look at it from a countries perspective.
Look at it from the skill perspective.
The top 100 players...
like 90 of them are Korean.
They're clearly deserving of more seeds.


You don't want to do that otherwise it will lead to a super-boring competition. Imagine if the world cup only had teams from Europe and South America and that each country could send multiple teams. Brazil II vs. Germany II would be a snoozer of a match because you know that they are the 'B' teams.

Why would it lead to a super-boring competition?
Enlighten me.
Because simply they're from the same nation???
its about level of competition.
And lets use your example of world cup.
It just supports my argument.
Why??
World Cup is biased towards different continents.
You dont see NA getting the same # of seeds as Europe or SA.
Australia + asia only get like 4 seeds...
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
April 16 2013 16:23 GMT
#53
On April 17 2013 01:20 MVTaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 01:16 lichter wrote:
Like a lot of people my complaints are basically about lack of bias and preference for Koreans. They are the best, they deserve to be paid like the best. If NA/EU step it up, then even it out.

The seeds are also whack. They need to do it similar to the Champions League. Each region gets a coefficient based on performance. Better league performance = more players in the Champions League. So basically if Korea continues to dominate the WCS final, then they should get more spots.


They get an entire WCS to themselves and then mercenaries in all the other WCS divisions taking spots...

Well the Koreans had the GSL taken from them instead of getting an additional WCS tournament like the other regions and then they were forced into a new tournament with a lower prize pool up front.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 16 2013 16:24 GMT
#54
It's essentially a trade off.
It's either..
DO YOU WANT MORE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTHER NATIONS OTHER THAN KOREA?
or....
DO YOU WANT TO SEE MORE HIGHER LEVEL COMPETITION?
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
April 16 2013 16:24 GMT
#55
Hahaha, it's hilarious when you realize that players like Hellokitty and Maker will at the very least be making as much money this season as Squirtle & DRG
Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
April 16 2013 16:26 GMT
#56
The winner of Code S Korea will likely do well in the Season finals. If not, then that will only make the season finals more interesting.
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EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 16:27:01
April 16 2013 16:26 GMT
#57
is kespa/gom pressuring blizzard in to favouring them so much or something? This is not fair at all.
savior did nothing wrong
Branman
Profile Joined March 2013
United States203 Posts
April 16 2013 16:26 GMT
#58
On April 17 2013 01:23 LighT. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 01:21 Branman wrote:
On April 17 2013 01:15 LighT. wrote:
On April 17 2013 00:59 aike wrote:
On April 17 2013 00:46 LighT. wrote:
Biggest complaint:
Theres no bias towards Korea although there should be a little bit of leverage towards them.


One country gets 5 spots. NA has 35 countries. EU has 50 countries. Plus the random other countries in africa/asia/SEA. So like 100 countries get 10 spots.


Hmmm. Korea has no bias?

ON TOP of the fact that koreans are invited to premier leagues of NA and EU?

Dont look at it from a countries perspective.
Look at it from the skill perspective.
The top 100 players...
like 90 of them are Korean.
They're clearly deserving of more seeds.


You don't want to do that otherwise it will lead to a super-boring competition. Imagine if the world cup only had teams from Europe and South America and that each country could send multiple teams. Brazil II vs. Germany II would be a snoozer of a match because you know that they are the 'B' teams.

Why would it lead to a super-boring competition?
Enlighten me.
Because simply they're from the same nation???
its about level of competition.
And lets use your example of world cup.
It just supports my argument.
Why??
World Cup is biased towards different continents.
You dont see NA getting the same # of seeds as Europe or SA.
Australia + asia only get like 4 seeds...


Yea, it's biased towards different continents, but it's pretty obvious that the skill is only in two of them. Why should New Zealand or North Korea ever show up in the World Cup? It's very analogous to the WCS system where Korea has many more invites than every other country.

As to the prize money thing: if Koreans are truly the best players, then they will win the prizes at the regional finals making the reduction in GSL top prize money a non-issue.
ElBlanco
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia140 Posts
April 16 2013 16:29 GMT
#59
On April 17 2013 01:24 sitromit wrote:
Hahaha, it's hilarious when you realize that players like Hellokitty and Maker will at the very least be making as much money this season as Squirtle & DRG


Only from prize money.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 16:31:57
April 16 2013 16:31 GMT
#60
On April 17 2013 01:26 Branman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 01:23 LighT. wrote:
On April 17 2013 01:21 Branman wrote:
On April 17 2013 01:15 LighT. wrote:
On April 17 2013 00:59 aike wrote:
On April 17 2013 00:46 LighT. wrote:
Biggest complaint:
Theres no bias towards Korea although there should be a little bit of leverage towards them.


One country gets 5 spots. NA has 35 countries. EU has 50 countries. Plus the random other countries in africa/asia/SEA. So like 100 countries get 10 spots.


Hmmm. Korea has no bias?

ON TOP of the fact that koreans are invited to premier leagues of NA and EU?

Dont look at it from a countries perspective.
Look at it from the skill perspective.
The top 100 players...
like 90 of them are Korean.
They're clearly deserving of more seeds.


You don't want to do that otherwise it will lead to a super-boring competition. Imagine if the world cup only had teams from Europe and South America and that each country could send multiple teams. Brazil II vs. Germany II would be a snoozer of a match because you know that they are the 'B' teams.

Why would it lead to a super-boring competition?
Enlighten me.
Because simply they're from the same nation???
its about level of competition.
And lets use your example of world cup.
It just supports my argument.
Why??
World Cup is biased towards different continents.
You dont see NA getting the same # of seeds as Europe or SA.
Australia + asia only get like 4 seeds...


Yea, it's biased towards different continents, but it's pretty obvious that the skill is only in two of them. Why should New Zealand or North Korea ever show up in the World Cup? It's very analogous to the WCS system where Korea has many more invites than every other country.

As to the prize money thing: if Koreans are truly the best players, then they will win the prizes at the regional finals making the reduction in GSL top prize money a non-issue.

You do make a solid argument about why most koreans would be deterred from WCS: NA if theyre from Korean league teams unless youre loaded (ie. MC/Nestea/MVP etc)
But Korea DOESNT have many more invites than every other country.
WCS:KR is basically WCS: Asia, call it WCS:Asia and you'll still have the same result because there isnt a single player outside of Korea (no disrespect to XiGua, Jim and Sen) that would do climb up the ranks otherwise.
And Blizzard is giving the equal treatment of seeds by implying WCS: Asia = WCS:NA.
How ridiculous is that!!
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