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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
April 10 2013 18:46 GMT
#101
Title should be East Korea WCS season 1, but I'll still be watching.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13406 Posts
April 10 2013 18:47 GMT
#102
On April 11 2013 03:31 ROOTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 11 2013 02:32 ROOTT1 wrote:
mlg likes money

so do players.


everyone does but unfortunately were not in a position to make any . i guess all we have to do is practice harder, right?


Yeah you do. You need to quit your job, live off of no money whatsoever (or hope you get laid off for those sick sick EI premiums) and then practice all day then HOPE you take a game off Nestea. Now all you need to do is bet Catz $200 dollars you take that game off Nestea and when it happens BAM you just earned yourself a couple weeks of Rice for Dinner High FIVE!
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 10 2013 18:48 GMT
#103
On April 11 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:42 grs wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:39 th3rogue wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper.

SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC!


It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for.

If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol.


Are we sure the other two are free? GSL is in person, so that cuts through a lot of the issues with no-shows, since you can just count the people who arrive and then make the bracket. I don't know about EU and if they will be an entry fee.

EU qualifiers will be fully open

That sounds like it is going to go poorly, but that is just me. I expect a lot of trolls to sign up to fuck around or just be no shows.

ESL/DECL is doing tournaments for 2 decades now. I guess they can handle that.


I just don't like the idea of someone qualifying because they got a bunch of luck walk overs or joke players who don't care. Maybe that won't happen, but I prefer that events try to put systems in place to assure that only the people who give a shit sign up.

That does not happen on their other cups and it will no way happen on this where a lot of high profile players sign in.
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
April 10 2013 18:48 GMT
#104
On April 11 2013 03:46 waki wrote:
i don't get the complaining about $20.

what the sc2 scene needs is to copy the poker tournament formats. 'buyins' for every event (micro-small-mid-high "stakes")... this way completely unknowns can grind it up from the bottom, building up a bankroll by winning micro/small buyin tournaments, playing with similiar skilled players (top pros wouldn't play in a 10-100 usd event obv). if you have the money you could play in any event. the rich noobs would be happy to play with the top pros, and the top pros would get the big money. you could move down in "stakes" if you have a bad streak, play smaller buyin events, etc... great for competition imo.
Yeah, that's exactly what the SC2 scene needs, to make every event cost money. That'll help everything!
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
April 10 2013 18:55 GMT
#105
good that i dont care that much for the na scene otherwise i would be pretty mad!

lets see... i guess you need esl premium then to attend the european qualifier?
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
April 10 2013 18:55 GMT
#106
You should have to pay and extra 20$ every time you play against a Korean.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 18:57 GMT
#107
On April 11 2013 03:48 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:42 grs wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:39 th3rogue wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper.

SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC!


It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for.

If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol.


Are we sure the other two are free? GSL is in person, so that cuts through a lot of the issues with no-shows, since you can just count the people who arrive and then make the bracket. I don't know about EU and if they will be an entry fee.

EU qualifiers will be fully open

That sounds like it is going to go poorly, but that is just me. I expect a lot of trolls to sign up to fuck around or just be no shows.

ESL/DECL is doing tournaments for 2 decades now. I guess they can handle that.


I just don't like the idea of someone qualifying because they got a bunch of luck walk overs or joke players who don't care. Maybe that won't happen, but I prefer that events try to put systems in place to assure that only the people who give a shit sign up.

That does not happen on their other cups and it will no way happen on this where a lot of high profile players sign in.


Really? You don't think a bunch of dumb people from SC reddit won't sign up just to troll MLG? You really think that because some high level players sign up that will somehow decrease the chance of people trolling the qualifier bracket?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
April 10 2013 18:58 GMT
#108
See North America, thats your problem.

If your scene/organizers takes these 5000 $ and run 50 region locked weekly cups with 100$ prize there you have your chance to strengthen your own scene.


Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 10 2013 19:00 GMT
#109
On April 11 2013 03:58 TumNarDok wrote:
See North America, thats your problem.

If your scene/organizers takes these 5000 $ and run 50 region locked weekly cups with 100$ prize there you have your chance to strengthen your own scene.



Don't make sense on a topic like this, let the people ramble around like chickens
The curse is real
o)_Saurus
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany260 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 19:02:01
April 10 2013 19:01 GMT
#110
On April 11 2013 03:57 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:48 grs wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:42 grs wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:39 th3rogue wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper.

SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC!


It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for.

If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol.


Are we sure the other two are free? GSL is in person, so that cuts through a lot of the issues with no-shows, since you can just count the people who arrive and then make the bracket. I don't know about EU and if they will be an entry fee.

EU qualifiers will be fully open

That sounds like it is going to go poorly, but that is just me. I expect a lot of trolls to sign up to fuck around or just be no shows.

ESL/DECL is doing tournaments for 2 decades now. I guess they can handle that.


I just don't like the idea of someone qualifying because they got a bunch of luck walk overs or joke players who don't care. Maybe that won't happen, but I prefer that events try to put systems in place to assure that only the people who give a shit sign up.

That does not happen on their other cups and it will no way happen on this where a lot of high profile players sign in.


Really? You don't think a bunch of dumb people from SC reddit won't sign up just to troll MLG? You really think that because some high level players sign up that will somehow decrease the chance of people trolling the qualifier bracket?


Could you be so kind as to explain to us what way there is to troll people?
If you play shit or don't attend you're out after the first round of the tournament. So thats basically the whole case. And to prevent this MLG charges 20$...(or even more for multiple qualifiers?!) don't know what to think about it.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 10 2013 19:01 GMT
#111
On April 11 2013 03:57 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:48 grs wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:42 grs wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:39 th3rogue wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper.

SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC!


It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for.

If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol.


Are we sure the other two are free? GSL is in person, so that cuts through a lot of the issues with no-shows, since you can just count the people who arrive and then make the bracket. I don't know about EU and if they will be an entry fee.

EU qualifiers will be fully open

That sounds like it is going to go poorly, but that is just me. I expect a lot of trolls to sign up to fuck around or just be no shows.

ESL/DECL is doing tournaments for 2 decades now. I guess they can handle that.


I just don't like the idea of someone qualifying because they got a bunch of luck walk overs or joke players who don't care. Maybe that won't happen, but I prefer that events try to put systems in place to assure that only the people who give a shit sign up.

That does not happen on their other cups and it will no way happen on this where a lot of high profile players sign in.


Really? You don't think a bunch of dumb people from SC reddit won't sign up just to troll MLG? You really think that because some high level players sign up that will somehow decrease the chance of people trolling the qualifier bracket?

While you are speculating, I am not "thinking something", but talk about things happening every week w/o any noteworthy problems. I don't think this discussions leads anywhere though.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
April 10 2013 19:02 GMT
#112
On April 11 2013 02:35 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 02:33 pStar wrote:
$18.75 to enter?

What a fucking joke.


It would be worst if they let everyone sign up, free of charge. This keeps it to players who are willing to put down $20 to try, rather than any ass-hole who can figure out how to sign up to play with their gold league account.

I don't think that's a big deal...I think mlg just wants to use that mlg credit thing.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 19:06 GMT
#113
On April 11 2013 04:01 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:57 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:48 grs wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:42 grs wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:39 th3rogue wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC!


It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for.

If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol.


Are we sure the other two are free? GSL is in person, so that cuts through a lot of the issues with no-shows, since you can just count the people who arrive and then make the bracket. I don't know about EU and if they will be an entry fee.

EU qualifiers will be fully open

That sounds like it is going to go poorly, but that is just me. I expect a lot of trolls to sign up to fuck around or just be no shows.

ESL/DECL is doing tournaments for 2 decades now. I guess they can handle that.


I just don't like the idea of someone qualifying because they got a bunch of luck walk overs or joke players who don't care. Maybe that won't happen, but I prefer that events try to put systems in place to assure that only the people who give a shit sign up.

That does not happen on their other cups and it will no way happen on this where a lot of high profile players sign in.


Really? You don't think a bunch of dumb people from SC reddit won't sign up just to troll MLG? You really think that because some high level players sign up that will somehow decrease the chance of people trolling the qualifier bracket?

While you are speculating, I am not "thinking something", but talk about things happening every week w/o any noteworthy problems. I don't think this discussions leads anywhere though.

I see no problem with charging $20 to assure players are committed. It only benefits the event and if someone really cares, they will find $20. If they say "fuck it, thats to much money" then they didn't really care that much to begin with.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
April 10 2013 19:06 GMT
#114
On April 11 2013 03:26 YourAdHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:22 vesicular wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:21 dashiz wrote:
20$ is a lot of money for low wealth people, I guess a lot of potential players will be lost because of this burden, but finding players with a lot of potential isn't the goal of this new events... oh wait.


If you have any shot of getting through qualifiers, you have $20 to spare.



How can you be sure of this?

Many of the top tier pros from Korea came into stardom during highschool. If you have the time to practice SC2 enough
to be world class then you probably don't have a job. So you really don't have any source of income unless your parents are
generous.

Keep in mind that Suppy said it took him 5 qualifiers to get into WCS last year, that's $100. Considering many college students don't have that kind of cash to blow on a video game pipe dream how many people do you think will give up after one or two qualifiers, or maybe not even try at all?


If their dream isn't even worth $20, then that's not much of a dream, is it? And this is exactly why the $20 is there. If you are dedicated and hardcore, you will do anything to shell out the $20 even if it means a week of ramen.
Moa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States790 Posts
April 10 2013 19:06 GMT
#115
Who the hell would pay 18$ to play in an online tournament that they won't win.
^O^
TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
April 10 2013 19:07 GMT
#116
Sorry for sense, NA had this problem self made and coming for the past 3 years.
They let their cups die and the major teams and orgs invested mostly the money abroad.
Viewing culture promote "best play" (koreans) and fails to promote regional talent.

That said, glgl to all participants I'll surely try to catch the broadcasts and will be VERY curious if they then show matches of LOCALS or KOREANS

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 19:07 GMT
#117
On April 11 2013 04:06 Moa wrote:
Who the hell would pay 18$ to play in an online tournament that they won't win.

Not people who are thinking the same way you are right now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
April 10 2013 19:10 GMT
#118
Well I guess this is one way of shutting down poor retards. What about the people that can afford it though?
It's a little greedy on MLGs end but i'd just think of it as supporting esports or something, no need to think of everything in a negative light the money would probably help fund more events etc
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
April 10 2013 19:13 GMT
#119
I dunno how people should be able to provide for themselves by commiting to fulltime gaming in NA when they walk out with negative 20 bucks from an online qualifier against a code s/a korean.

Thats just such an unnecessary barrier of entry which hinders the development of an NA pro gaming scene. If trying to qualify is already connected to financial loss, i would just not participate.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 10 2013 19:15 GMT
#120
On April 11 2013 02:33 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 02:32 ROOTT1 wrote:
mlg likes money

Keeps idiots from signing who are Gold league just to troll someone. Barrier of entry.


How about only allowing players from master and above to sign up? And if you can afford somebody levling on your account, you can also afford the registration fee.
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