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EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
April 10 2013 18:23 GMT
#61
Why not just make it top 200 gm and high master players?? if you want people serious about showing up.. that's the way to do it. It's always the low ranked players that no show.
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
April 10 2013 18:24 GMT
#62
People complaining about...$20?
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HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 18:25:11
April 10 2013 18:25 GMT
#63
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 18:25 GMT
#64
On April 11 2013 03:24 IPA wrote:
People complaining about...$20?

Its the internet, they complain when someone change the back ground of a website or the font of a logo.
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Apevia
Profile Joined July 2010
United States49 Posts
April 10 2013 18:25 GMT
#65
On April 11 2013 03:23 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Why not just make it top 200 gm and high master players?? if you want people serious about showing up.. that's the way to do it. It's always the low ranked players that no show.

Because it clearly is about the money, saying its just because they want people to take it seriously is just public relations talk.
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10137 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 18:27:22
April 10 2013 18:25 GMT
#66
On April 11 2013 03:20 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:15 ROOTT1 wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:07 MLG_Adam wrote:
If the qualifier was free to enter a huge % of the matches would be no shows. We want this qualifier to be taken seriously by those wishing to participate.


yea because limiting the qualis to gm players/high master leaguers only would have been too hard


But half the Koreans don't have NA accounts?


Time for them to get one ? It's not like it isn't free.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 18:25 GMT
#67
On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper.

SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC!
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playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
April 10 2013 18:25 GMT
#68
On April 11 2013 03:23 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Why not just make it top 200 gm and high master players?? if you want people serious about showing up.. that's the way to do it. It's always the low ranked players that no show.


Maybe since they invited all of Kespa and ESF Koreans, even top NA GM's would think better of it when it comes to competing in a NA qualifier.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
April 10 2013 18:26 GMT
#69
On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:24 IPA wrote:
People complaining about...$20?

Its the internet, they complain when someone change the back ground of a website or the font of a logo.

LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 10 2013 18:26 GMT
#70
On April 11 2013 03:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:19 LighT. wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:13 LighT. wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:07 MLG_Adam wrote:
If the qualifier was free to enter a huge % of the matches would be no shows. We want this qualifier to be taken seriously by those wishing to participate.

If thats the sole case adam
Why not a $20 registration fee
with a $20 refunded once the players have played all their games
and keeping $20 if they no-show?

Seems practical.
Unless you dont want to admit that youre wanting to profit off of this.


Don't be a clown, MGL does not need to $5000 they would get from those players in any way. If you don't want to risk your $20, don't play. If you invested the time to get that good, back it up with $20. If not, move on and let someone who cares try out.

Who says I'm participating?
I'm a casual watcher, I havent even touched HoTS outside of playing campaign and few custosm on my friends copy.
If, according to MLG_Adam, that is the sole reason, wouldnt it be beneficial for my method rather than pocketing a cool $20 with the reason being "its incase they no show and dont take the tournament seriously"?
If they have other justifiable reasons to charge the $20, then they should state it rather than giving off a poor reason or not say anything at all.


Ok, so its not your $20, so why do you care? He gave a reason and entry fees are nothing new. Everyone charges them for everything. As I stated before, my local pick up, armature lacrosse league charges $35 and the prize pool is $250 per person. The prize pool comes from sponsors(a local pizza chain and some other stuff). If people aren't invested enough to pay $20, then they didn't need to compete anyways.

It's not my $20 but because what MLG_Adam stated gives off the implication that he thinks we're all idiots . His justification is hardly any validation for the entry fee. If he had not said anything, I wouldnt have said anything at all and just told myself "cool, must have to do with casters/production fees etc".
YourAdHere
Profile Joined May 2011
United States216 Posts
April 10 2013 18:26 GMT
#71
On April 11 2013 03:22 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:21 dashiz wrote:
20$ is a lot of money for low wealth people, I guess a lot of potential players will be lost because of this burden, but finding players with a lot of potential isn't the goal of this new events... oh wait.


If you have any shot of getting through qualifiers, you have $20 to spare.



How can you be sure of this?

Many of the top tier pros from Korea came into stardom during highschool. If you have the time to practice SC2 enough
to be world class then you probably don't have a job. So you really don't have any source of income unless your parents are
generous.

Keep in mind that Suppy said it took him 5 qualifiers to get into WCS last year, that's $100. Considering many college students don't have that kind of cash to blow on a video game pipe dream how many people do you think will give up after one or two qualifiers, or maybe not even try at all?
Alkro
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden88 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 18:27:41
April 10 2013 18:27 GMT
#72
Wow, complaining about $20 for signing up for a tournament. $20 is practically free.
wongfeihung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States763 Posts
April 10 2013 18:27 GMT
#73
On April 11 2013 03:19 LighT. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:13 LighT. wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:07 MLG_Adam wrote:
If the qualifier was free to enter a huge % of the matches would be no shows. We want this qualifier to be taken seriously by those wishing to participate.

If thats the sole case adam
Why not a $20 registration fee
with a $20 refunded once the players have played all their games
and keeping $20 if they no-show?

Seems practical.
Unless you dont want to admit that youre wanting to profit off of this.


Don't be a clown, MGL does not need to $5000 they would get from those players in any way. If you don't want to risk your $20, don't play. If you invested the time to get that good, back it up with $20. If not, move on and let someone who cares try out.

Who says I'm participating?
I'm a casual watcher, I havent even touched HoTS outside of playing campaign and few custosm on my friends copy.
If, according to MLG_Adam, that is the sole reason, wouldnt it be beneficial for my method rather than pocketing a cool $20 with the reason being "its incase they no show and dont take the tournament seriously"?
If they have other justifiable reasons to charge the $20, then they should state it rather than giving off a poor reason or not say anything at all. By what you state, I still dont see why my idea isnt impractical. Enlighten me.

It's not free because some people just want to go in there and play (they don't care if they win or not) against a pro player for fun. They don't take the tournament seriously and just want to fuck around and play against a famous player. MLG only wants you to enter if you legitimately think you have a chance of winning. The $20 is collateral (not sure if that's the right word) for idiots who don't take this seriously. Thy only want the best (people who actually think they can win) in their tourney, and it's entirely understandable to have an entry fee, since they have a limited number of qualifier spots.
xyres
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada42 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 18:31:40
April 10 2013 18:27 GMT
#74
Umm. The Koreans have to pay for a bus or gas to actually get to the venue. While this qualifier can be played from the comforts of your own home so its not really much more off a barrier then GSL qualifiers it might even be less.

Edit: gas also means they actually need a car so.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 10 2013 18:28 GMT
#75
On April 11 2013 03:26 YourAdHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:22 vesicular wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:21 dashiz wrote:
20$ is a lot of money for low wealth people, I guess a lot of potential players will be lost because of this burden, but finding players with a lot of potential isn't the goal of this new events... oh wait.


If you have any shot of getting through qualifiers, you have $20 to spare.



How can you be sure of this?

Many of the top tier pros from Korea came into stardom during highschool. If you have the time to practice SC2 enough
to be world class then you probably don't have a job. So you really don't have any source of income unless your parents are
generous.

Keep in mind that Suppy said it took him 5 qualifiers to get into WCS last year, that's $100. Considering many college students don't have that kind of cash to blow on a video game pipe dream how many people do you think will give up after one or two qualifiers, or maybe not even try at all?

they probably should give up if their dedication is hampered by $20.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 18:29 GMT
#76
On April 11 2013 03:26 LighT. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:22 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:19 LighT. wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:13 LighT. wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:07 MLG_Adam wrote:
If the qualifier was free to enter a huge % of the matches would be no shows. We want this qualifier to be taken seriously by those wishing to participate.

If thats the sole case adam
Why not a $20 registration fee
with a $20 refunded once the players have played all their games
and keeping $20 if they no-show?

Seems practical.
Unless you dont want to admit that youre wanting to profit off of this.


Don't be a clown, MGL does not need to $5000 they would get from those players in any way. If you don't want to risk your $20, don't play. If you invested the time to get that good, back it up with $20. If not, move on and let someone who cares try out.

Who says I'm participating?
I'm a casual watcher, I havent even touched HoTS outside of playing campaign and few custosm on my friends copy.
If, according to MLG_Adam, that is the sole reason, wouldnt it be beneficial for my method rather than pocketing a cool $20 with the reason being "its incase they no show and dont take the tournament seriously"?
If they have other justifiable reasons to charge the $20, then they should state it rather than giving off a poor reason or not say anything at all.


Ok, so its not your $20, so why do you care? He gave a reason and entry fees are nothing new. Everyone charges them for everything. As I stated before, my local pick up, armature lacrosse league charges $35 and the prize pool is $250 per person. The prize pool comes from sponsors(a local pizza chain and some other stuff). If people aren't invested enough to pay $20, then they didn't need to compete anyways.

It's not my $20 but because what MLG_Adam stated gives off the implication that he thinks we're all idiots . His justification is hardly any validation for the entry fee. If he had not said anything, I wouldnt have said anything at all and just told myself "cool, must have to do with casters/production fees etc".

No, his reason is solid and used everywhere else in the world. Its called barrier to entry. Courts don't collect filing fees because it helps pay the staff, its to keep idiots from filing TROs every week and wasting the courts time. If they wanted money, they would charge more.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 10 2013 18:30 GMT
#77
On April 11 2013 03:27 wongfeihung wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:19 LighT. wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:13 LighT. wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:07 MLG_Adam wrote:
If the qualifier was free to enter a huge % of the matches would be no shows. We want this qualifier to be taken seriously by those wishing to participate.

If thats the sole case adam
Why not a $20 registration fee
with a $20 refunded once the players have played all their games
and keeping $20 if they no-show?

Seems practical.
Unless you dont want to admit that youre wanting to profit off of this.


Don't be a clown, MGL does not need to $5000 they would get from those players in any way. If you don't want to risk your $20, don't play. If you invested the time to get that good, back it up with $20. If not, move on and let someone who cares try out.

Who says I'm participating?
I'm a casual watcher, I havent even touched HoTS outside of playing campaign and few custosm on my friends copy.
If, according to MLG_Adam, that is the sole reason, wouldnt it be beneficial for my method rather than pocketing a cool $20 with the reason being "its incase they no show and dont take the tournament seriously"?
If they have other justifiable reasons to charge the $20, then they should state it rather than giving off a poor reason or not say anything at all. By what you state, I still dont see why my idea isnt impractical. Enlighten me.

It's not free because some people just want to go in there and play (they don't care if they win or not) against a pro player for fun. They don't take the tournament seriously and just want to fuck around and play against a famous player. MLG only wants you to enter if you legitimately think you have a chance of winning. The $20 is collateral (not sure if that's the right word) for idiots who don't take this seriously. Thy only want the best (people who actually think they can win) in their tourney, and it's entirely understandable to have an entry fee, since they have a limited number of qualifier spots.

Well alright.
So... limiting the players to being
Masters with # points or GM (I hardly think people who have invested such heavy time into the game would go off trolling on their chance for glory), and pocketing $20 if they do a no-show. Explain to me how wouldnt this create the same effect?
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
April 10 2013 18:31 GMT
#78
On April 11 2013 03:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 02:32 ROOTT1 wrote:
mlg likes money

so do players.


everyone does but unfortunately were not in a position to make any . i guess all we have to do is practice harder, right?
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 18:31:46
April 10 2013 18:31 GMT
#79
On April 11 2013 03:19 YourAdHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:13 LighT. wrote:
On April 11 2013 03:07 MLG_Adam wrote:
If the qualifier was free to enter a huge % of the matches would be no shows. We want this qualifier to be taken seriously by those wishing to participate.

If thats the sole case adam
Why not a $20 registration fee
with a $20 refunded once the players have played all their games
and keeping $20 if they no-show?

Seems practical.
Unless you dont want to admit that youre wanting to profit off of this.


Don't be a clown, MGL does not need to $5000 they would get from those players in any way. If you don't want to risk your $20, don't play. If you invested the time to get that good, back it up with $20. If not, move on and let someone who cares try out.



Errr... then what's the problem of giving the money back to the players that show up then?

Because then scrubs can still show up and not take it seriously.

everyone does but unfortunately were not in a position to make any . i guess all we have to do is practice harder, right?

Now you're getting it.
Refer to my post.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
April 10 2013 18:31 GMT
#80
On April 11 2013 03:25 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 03:23 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Why not just make it top 200 gm and high master players?? if you want people serious about showing up.. that's the way to do it. It's always the low ranked players that no show.


Maybe since they invited all of Kespa and ESF Koreans, even top NA GM's would think better of it when it comes to competing in a NA qualifier.


Except there is only one Kespa/ESF player that has chosen NA (Nestea).
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