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On April 11 2013 03:26 YourAdHere wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:22 vesicular wrote:On April 11 2013 03:21 dashiz wrote:
20$ is a lot of money for low wealth people, I guess a lot of potential players will be lost because of this burden, but finding players with a lot of potential isn't the goal of this new events... oh wait. If you have any shot of getting through qualifiers, you have $20 to spare. How can you be sure of this? Many of the top tier pros from Korea came into stardom during highschool. If you have the time to practice SC2 enough to be world class then you probably don't have a job. So you really don't have any source of income unless your parents are generous. Keep in mind that Suppy said it took him 5 qualifiers to get into WCS last year, that's $100. Considering many college students don't have that kind of cash to blow on a video game pipe dream how many people do you think will give up after one or two qualifiers, or maybe not even try at all?
You paid $60 for WoL and $40 for HotS but can't come up with $20 for the biggest tourney on the planet? Really?
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On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper. SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC!
It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for.
If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol.
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On April 11 2013 03:31 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:25 playa wrote:On April 11 2013 03:23 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Why not just make it top 200 gm and high master players?? if you want people serious about showing up.. that's the way to do it. It's always the low ranked players that no show. Maybe since they invited all of Kespa and ESF Koreans, even top NA GM's would think better of it when it comes to competing in a NA qualifier. Except there is only one Kespa/ESF player that has chosen NA (Nestea).
Two  (violet as well)
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On April 11 2013 03:31 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:20 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 11 2013 02:32 ROOTT1 wrote:
mlg likes money so do players. everyone does but unfortunately were not in a position to make any  . i guess all we have to do is practice harder, right?
I am all for supporting NA players, but if the $20 is holding you back from trying, I can't help you.
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256*18.75=4800 Yeah, this was clearly done for the money..
But I guess they could just make it a deposit
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On April 11 2013 03:34 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:31 vesicular wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 playa wrote:On April 11 2013 03:23 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Why not just make it top 200 gm and high master players?? if you want people serious about showing up.. that's the way to do it. It's always the low ranked players that no show. Maybe since they invited all of Kespa and ESF Koreans, even top NA GM's would think better of it when it comes to competing in a NA qualifier. Except there is only one Kespa/ESF player that has chosen NA (Nestea). Two (violet as well)
Doh, keep forgetting Abuzu joined esf.
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On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper. SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC! It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for. If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol.
Are we sure the other two are free? GSL is in person, so that cuts through a lot of the issues with no-shows, since you can just count the people who arrive and then make the bracket. I don't know about EU and if they will be an entry fee.
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On April 11 2013 03:31 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:20 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 11 2013 02:32 ROOTT1 wrote:
mlg likes money so do players. everyone does but unfortunately were not in a position to make any . i guess all we have to do is practice harder, right?
well, my normal advice in such situations would be to change your profession. given the influx of koreans into the NA WCS scene, i think my normal advice is an understatement. NA aren't going to win anything anymore--not that they were winning anything of note before. this is the sad and unfortunate truth.
nevertheless, i find it odd when people are surprised and/or enraged by the fact that a for-profit corporation like MLG is attempting to make money.
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On April 11 2013 03:35 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:34 Prplppleatr wrote:On April 11 2013 03:31 vesicular wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 playa wrote:On April 11 2013 03:23 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Why not just make it top 200 gm and high master players?? if you want people serious about showing up.. that's the way to do it. It's always the low ranked players that no show. Maybe since they invited all of Kespa and ESF Koreans, even top NA GM's would think better of it when it comes to competing in a NA qualifier. Except there is only one Kespa/ESF player that has chosen NA (Nestea). Two (violet as well) Doh, keep forgetting Abuzu joined esf.
Well we don't know if more Koreans will try to qualify. I'm pretty sure that most of these players have either gotten an invite or they are already in GSL so they have to make their choice.
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On April 11 2013 03:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper. SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC! It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for. If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol. Are we sure the other two are free? GSL is in person, so that cuts through a lot of the issues with no-shows, since you can just count the people who arrive and then make the bracket. I don't know about EU and if they will be an entry fee.
EU qualifiers will be fully open
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On April 11 2013 03:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper. SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC! It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for. If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol. Are we sure the other two are free? GSL is in person, so that cuts through a lot of the issues with no-shows, since you can just count the people who arrive and then make the bracket. I don't know about EU and if they will be an entry fee.
No you don't have to sign up in person, these last prelims you could also do it online so there have been some byes.
Today in the groups there where A LOT of byes and walkovers because people have been able to sign up online and pulling out.
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On April 11 2013 02:38 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Why not just make it you have to have minimum 700 points as Masters like GSL does it? That way its free and you wont have gold idiots signing up.
This simply isn't true, even though somehow everyone seems to think it is (I'm looking at you, Khaldor).
Priority for registration will be given to these players in sequential order:
1. ESF Players
2. KeSPA Players
3. Masters league players with at least 200 points (by April 1st, 12:00 PM KST)
After these players have been sorted, anyone will be able to sign up for the Code A qualifiers for a total number of 576 players. (First-come, first-served basis starting from March 29th, 12:00PM KST)
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=300190&cid=0&kind=8
And before you ask, the qualifiers have never even been close to full. I, personally, think one of the best things about the GSL is that it's a truly open tournament, without regard even to ladder rank... but considering that no one else even knows that, maybe not.
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On April 11 2013 03:39 th3rogue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:37 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper. SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC! It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for. If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol. Are we sure the other two are free? GSL is in person, so that cuts through a lot of the issues with no-shows, since you can just count the people who arrive and then make the bracket. I don't know about EU and if they will be an entry fee. EU qualifiers will be fully open
That sounds like it is going to go poorly, but that is just me. I expect a lot of trolls to sign up to fuck around or just be no shows.
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I don't understand how MLG's reasoning for charging is anything more than what they say it is.
Putting up a pay wall gives people an incentive to get use out of the money they spent. If a gold league player wants to play in the tournament, then let them, but they have to pay. It seems that a lot of people seem to have qualms with the fact that they're taking $20 from everyone and not just giving master/gm players a free pass.
I fully intend to take part, I just recently got promoted to Masters and will get my ass kicked. This is providing me a service that I would like to take advantage of that I wouldn't be able to otherwise, especially if the tournament was kept to high master/gm players by default. I can understand being frustrated with a paywall, but don't accuse the guy of insulting your intelligence when the reason he stated the paywall is going into effect is pretty valid. He didn't say that's the only reason it's going into effect, and I think in general a lot of you are going crazy without additional information that could probably be gathered with a "hey, is that the only reason you're putting in the paywall? Did you consider doing it this way, or that way?" pm, and is infinitely less insulting.
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ye pay the money so they give it to the koreans
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People really think 20$ is not relative of your economic position??, good job at seeing life with only your perspective.
And about the no shows can be solved easily without taking anymore money than the one that they already get from Blizzard...
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On April 11 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:39 th3rogue wrote:On April 11 2013 03:37 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper. SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC! It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for. If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol. Are we sure the other two are free? GSL is in person, so that cuts through a lot of the issues with no-shows, since you can just count the people who arrive and then make the bracket. I don't know about EU and if they will be an entry fee. EU qualifiers will be fully open That sounds like it is going to go poorly, but that is just me. I expect a lot of trolls to sign up to fuck around or just be no shows.
ESL/DECL is doing tournaments for 2 decades now. I guess they can handle that.
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On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper. SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC! It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for. If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol.
It's more than a little strange....
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On April 11 2013 03:42 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 03:39 th3rogue wrote:On April 11 2013 03:37 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 03:33 blade55555 wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 Plansix wrote:On April 11 2013 03:25 HeavenResign wrote:
Aren't MLG competitor passes usually $70? This is way cheaper. SILENCE WITH YOUR LOGIC! It's not logic. 70$ when are you playing at a physical LAN location that costs money to even rent out is far different then online qualifiers for a huge tournament (WCS obviously) that is free for EU and KR players to qualify for. If every region did 20$ then I could understand it, but the fact that EU and KR get free qualifiers and NA has to pay 20$ is just lol. Are we sure the other two are free? GSL is in person, so that cuts through a lot of the issues with no-shows, since you can just count the people who arrive and then make the bracket. I don't know about EU and if they will be an entry fee. EU qualifiers will be fully open That sounds like it is going to go poorly, but that is just me. I expect a lot of trolls to sign up to fuck around or just be no shows. ESL/DECL is doing tournaments for 2 decades now. I guess they can handle that.
I just don't like the idea of someone qualifying because they got a bunch of luck walk overs or joke players who don't care. Maybe that won't happen, but I prefer that events try to put systems in place to assure that only the people who give a shit sign up.
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i don't get the complaining about $20.
what the sc2 scene needs is to copy the poker tournament formats. 'buyins' for every event (micro-small-mid-high "stakes")... this way completely unknowns can grind it up from the bottom, building up a bankroll by winning micro/small buyin tournaments, playing with similiar skilled players (top pros wouldn't play in a 10-100 usd event obv). if you have the money you could play in any event. the rich noobs would be happy to play with the top pros, and the top pros would get the big money. you could move down in "stakes" if you have a bad streak, play smaller buyin events, etc... great for competition imo.
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