Koreans selecting WCS NA/EU List - Page 66

On April 11 2013 01:37 vrok wrote:
Extremely disappointed that Jaedong is going for NA instead of KR. It's a disgrace.

On April 11 2013 01:28 Beakyboo wrote:
People are overreacting so hard to this. At least half the tournament is guaranteed to be north american players still. That's giving more than plenty of opportunity for foreigners to succeed in WCS. How much more can you really ask for? An all north american tournament would just suck. Winning it would carry so little weight without Koreans, and it'd be impossible to justify a large prize pool. This system seems like a great compromise. It's totally possible for a foreigner to win, and anyone with an invite has huge incentive to put a lot of effort into this.

On April 11 2013 01:39 Cyanocyst wrote:
Strange ..surprised that liquid isn't throwing a few more of their players Koreans in EU.

EG too they have the means.

On April 11 2013 01:37 vrok wrote:
Extremely disappointed that Jaedong is going for NA instead of KR. It's a disgrace.

On April 11 2013 01:32 MstrJinbo wrote:


Lets not forget scarlet, goswser and Suppy. QXC all killed IM a while back in GSTL. Even Incontrol won best of threes agains koreans. NA players are certainly capable of taking series off Koreans.

On April 11 2013 01:41 Plansix wrote:


He is on an NA team with NA sponsors, I wonder why he decided to go to NA? I wonder why?

On April 11 2013 01:27 BeyondCtrL wrote:


As long as people are thinking entirely on the present and near future about their biases and wallets, stupid outcries like this are always bound to happen.

I'm pretty sure every NA pro had a raging boner that was immediately killed because they realized that they might actually have to compete for prize money. Once their perceived injury has been accepted through all the stages of grief they will realize that this is very good news for the long term. Blizzard didn't owe anyone anything of this scale, nor the money they injected into it. What makes NA/EU players more entitled to this money when they weren't really winning any of the big tournaments anyway? If this hadn't been done as it is Koreans would keep widening the gap until it became BW 2.0, and then no one would have any chance and SC2 would become a Seoul centered niche attraction.

Just because they can't cash in asap obviously means that it has already failed and that their is no hope, /s. True, the short term does not alleviate the immediate concerns, but in the end the outcome will hopefully reveal a much more internationally competitive and sustainable endeavor. Immediate and strict region locks would actually kill that off and it might be decades, if ever, until the 2nd rate NA/EU scenes might even take a single game off a KR in Global Finals.

Blizzard has stated, numerous times very clearly that they intend to transition into fully region locked offline only tournaments. I already shared my view on why this is significantly beneficial. If these pros are suggesting that they might as well retire because of the WCS system, then they should have done it a year ago. But looking at the prize distribution of these regional WCS it seems to me that these foreigners have a greater chance of winning more money more often than they have this entire past year. Subjective bias is always present and constant, and the level of idiotic statements reflect that.

On April 11 2013 01:39 Cyanocyst wrote:
Strange ..surprised that liquid isn't throwing a few more of their players Koreans in EU.

EG too they have the means.

On April 11 2013 01:43 Swords wrote:


They certainly are, but think about how Scarlett/Suppy/Gowser got onto the scene in the first place. Gowser and Suppy came up through the open bracket at MLG and Scarlett qualified for IPL via a playhem and then beat a Korean B-Teamer and took a game off of Oz. With the new WCS in place it makes it much harder for players like these to get any recognition and support to continue their careers.

Obviously everyone wants to watch the highest quality starcraft, but there's a reason for region locking and why you see it in every single sport. The reason is not having a region lock can severely inhibit growth. NA and EU players who are working hard to be the best in their region now essentially have to compete with the creme of the crop of another region. To get better one has to take baby steps - when you start playing basketball they don't throw you on the court with an NBA team and say "good luck", you work your way through a system where you play evenly matched opponents and then you get to move on if you're better than these opponents. Fuck, it's the same way leagues and MMR work on ladder.

On April 11 2013 01:40 Adreme wrote:


That's not even the part I care that much about. I care about the fact that all the players on that list now will not be competing in anymore GSL/OSL this year after this one and many including this one because of region lock. It just seems silly to weaken the premier SC2 event in order to create a new one with less players in it.

On April 11 2013 01:43 Swords wrote:


They certainly are, but think about how Scarlett/Suppy/Gowser got onto the scene in the first place. Gowser and Suppy came up through the open bracket at MLG and Scarlett qualified for IPL via a playhem and then beat a Korean B-Teamer and took a game off of Oz. With the new WCS in place it makes it much harder for players like these to get any recognition and support to continue their careers.

Obviously everyone wants to watch the highest quality starcraft, but there's a reason for region locking and why you see it in every single sport. The reason is not having a region lock can severely inhibit growth. NA and EU players who are working hard to be the best in their region now essentially have to compete with the creme of the crop of another region. To get better one has to take baby steps - when you start playing basketball they don't throw you on the court with an NBA team and say "good luck", you work your way through a system where you play evenly matched opponents and then you get to move on if you're better than these opponents. Fuck, it's the same way leagues and MMR work on ladder.

On April 11 2013 01:43 Swords wrote:


They certainly are, but think about how Scarlett/Suppy/Gowser got onto the scene in the first place. Gowser and Suppy came up through the open bracket at MLG and Scarlett qualified for IPL via a playhem and then beat a Korean B-Teamer and took a game off of Oz. With the new WCS in place it makes it much harder for players like these to get any recognition and support to continue their careers.

Obviously everyone wants to watch the highest quality starcraft, but there's a reason for region locking and why you see it in every single sport. The reason is not having a region lock can severely inhibit growth. NA and EU players who are working hard to be the best in their region now essentially have to compete with the creme of the crop of another region. To get better one has to take baby steps - when you start playing basketball they don't throw you on the court with an NBA team and say "good luck", you work your way through a system where you play evenly matched opponents and then you get to move on if you're better than these opponents. Fuck, it's the same way leagues and MMR work on ladder.

On April 11 2013 01:45 rename wrote:


Well EG-TL are screwed because from the looks of it:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/wcs-america-season-1/
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012-2013_Proleague/Round_5

They have to play proleague and Ro16 at the same time...

On April 11 2013 01:48 govie wrote:


LOL all zergs.... Blizzard should just imba-op-patch zerg again because this is never gonna happen in the current hots! (except for scarlet, she got game).

On April 11 2013 01:47 Beakyboo wrote:

It weakens the individual leagues in some sense by dispersing the players, but the best players from each league will all still come together in the season finals. I don't think it's so bad in that sense. GSL's already so strong that this doesn't really hurt it. We still have a single tournament with all the best players. That's what WCS is.