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dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
April 10 2013 16:14 GMT
#1261
imo, people should stop crying about where the players are from.. we are all from the same planet for fucks sake..
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
April 10 2013 16:14 GMT
#1262
EU seems pretty good.There are enough koreans to make it better and more competitive,but not enough to take all our money.
All I do is Stim.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 16:15 GMT
#1263
On April 11 2013 01:12 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
yay!!!!!!!!!!! no one from NA will even be able to play in WCS NA :DDD

good job blizzard, good fucking job.

After your 16 invited NA pro's get slaughtered MLG will be hosting WCS Korea 2.0


Well this isn't the open bracket at MLG and the players are going to know their match ups well in advance, unlike MLG. There are NA players that can take down the players on this list in a best of 5. There is a little hope. But only a little.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
April 10 2013 16:15 GMT
#1264
I can't see why Blizzard didn't use IPL rules -- you need a birth certificate from or be living in the region you want to compete in. This way NaNi and Scarlett can still play their regions, Polt and ForGG can play in NA/EU and we don't see the massive influx of Koreans into NA. It's fair to the players and protects the scene. There are 20 Koreans competing in NA + the Koreans already living in NA that plan to compete, we may see 24 Koreans in the 32 man NA Premiere league by season 2.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 10 2013 16:15 GMT
#1265
On April 11 2013 01:06 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 01:02 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:55 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:53 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:22 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:19 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:11 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:10 Doodsmack wrote:
Kinda doesn't sit well with me that current Code S players would jump ship to chase easy money. They currently represent the highest level of competition in the world and they're running from that to face easier competition. IMO it's dishonorable.


Its not shocking at all. All the players in it for the money, though some die hard fans would like to claim that Koreans are in it for the love of the game. Its a little of both, but the money makes it easier to love the game.


Yeah it's not shocking, but that doesn't make it honorable.


This was never about honor, it was about making a living. Welcome to the real world of competitive anything. If there were no Korean leagues for these players to qualify for, they wouldn't play SC2 at all.



Except the only Koreans to choose NA/EU are the ones with money (foreign teams). They make a living. As you said before progamers aren't in it ONLY for the money, and a current Code S player should choose the competition over some more money.


And I will quit my job of I am offered more money elsewhere. This is their job and they do what is best for them. It was never about being the best in the world. It was always about making a living and more doing what you loved.




Really seems like you're pulling things out of your ass for the sake of arguing. Before you said its a little of both, now it's just money. Please think about whether that's contradictory.

To claim there are no Korean players who care about being the best is not very discerning. I shouldn't need to explain why.


Well I love working in law, but I also want to buy a scooter. A lot of Korean players want to be the best, but they also want to make a living and make money. It can be about both for them too, because they are complex people and can want more than one thing. People can be contradictory with what they want.


There's a logical contradiction in your argument. You're making two statements that cannot both be true. Now you're it saying "a lot of Koreans want to be the best", right after you said "it was never about being the best in the world". If its about both being the best and money, though, there's a balance to be struck in particular situations, and I really think a current, salaried and rich Code S player like MC and Taeja should stay in Code S.
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
April 10 2013 16:16 GMT
#1266
Holy fuck... GG NA
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
April 10 2013 16:16 GMT
#1267
I feel bad for the players that blizzard failed to communicate.
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
April 10 2013 16:16 GMT
#1268
On April 11 2013 01:15 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 01:06 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 01:02 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:55 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:53 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:22 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:19 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:11 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:10 Doodsmack wrote:
Kinda doesn't sit well with me that current Code S players would jump ship to chase easy money. They currently represent the highest level of competition in the world and they're running from that to face easier competition. IMO it's dishonorable.


Its not shocking at all. All the players in it for the money, though some die hard fans would like to claim that Koreans are in it for the love of the game. Its a little of both, but the money makes it easier to love the game.


Yeah it's not shocking, but that doesn't make it honorable.


This was never about honor, it was about making a living. Welcome to the real world of competitive anything. If there were no Korean leagues for these players to qualify for, they wouldn't play SC2 at all.



Except the only Koreans to choose NA/EU are the ones with money (foreign teams). They make a living. As you said before progamers aren't in it ONLY for the money, and a current Code S player should choose the competition over some more money.


And I will quit my job of I am offered more money elsewhere. This is their job and they do what is best for them. It was never about being the best in the world. It was always about making a living and more doing what you loved.




Really seems like you're pulling things out of your ass for the sake of arguing. Before you said its a little of both, now it's just money. Please think about whether that's contradictory.

To claim there are no Korean players who care about being the best is not very discerning. I shouldn't need to explain why.


Well I love working in law, but I also want to buy a scooter. A lot of Korean players want to be the best, but they also want to make a living and make money. It can be about both for them too, because they are complex people and can want more than one thing. People can be contradictory with what they want.


There's a logical contradiction in your argument. You're making two statements that cannot both be true. Now you're it saying "a lot of Koreans want to be the best", right after you said "it was never about being the best in the world". If its about both being the best and money, though, there's a balance to be struck in particular situations, and I really think a current, salaried and rich Code S player like MC and Taeja should stay in Code S.


haha, i called him out on his contradictions earlier, don't mind this kid, he's a troll.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
April 10 2013 16:16 GMT
#1269
On April 11 2013 01:12 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
yay!!!!!!!!!!! no one from NA will even be able to play in WCS NA :DDD

good job blizzard, good fucking job.

After your 16 invited NA pro's get slaughtered MLG will be hosting WCS Korea 2.0


Yep.

We get NA WCS Ro32, then KR WCS 2.0 Ro 16- Finals.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
sWs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States409 Posts
April 10 2013 16:17 GMT
#1270
4/10/2013 the death of the NA starcraft 2 scene.

Blizzard first took from us MLG and all possibilities of an OB, then they gave our tournament to koreans.

gg, time to quit.
@swsc2
FakiVII
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany18 Posts
April 10 2013 16:18 GMT
#1271
What will happen to Code S - "the the biggest and bestest eSports tournament in the world"? All the glamorous and shiny names like MVP, MC, Nestea and many others won't participate anymore. Code S was the Champions League of Starcraft. Now i feel like it will only be the Korean League.

I will still keep watching it, because i watched it over the last years, and it feels like home and i really like listening to Tastosis and Khaldor/Wolf.

But so many Superstars leave now, because of this new WCS System makes it unprofitable to participate in the "the the biggest and bestest eSports tournament in the world".

I really don't like it.
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
April 10 2013 16:18 GMT
#1272
On April 11 2013 01:17 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
4/10/2013 the death of the NA starcraft 2 scene.

Blizzard first took from us MLG and all possibilities of an OB, then they gave our tournament to koreans.

gg, time to quit.


to be fair though, it was never "your" tournament to begin with.. just look at all the past events..
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
April 10 2013 16:19 GMT
#1273
hahahahahaha

lol omg this is going to be so hilarious
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 10 2013 16:20 GMT
#1274
On April 11 2013 01:15 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 01:06 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 01:02 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:55 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:53 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:22 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:19 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:11 Plansix wrote:
On April 11 2013 00:10 Doodsmack wrote:
Kinda doesn't sit well with me that current Code S players would jump ship to chase easy money. They currently represent the highest level of competition in the world and they're running from that to face easier competition. IMO it's dishonorable.


Its not shocking at all. All the players in it for the money, though some die hard fans would like to claim that Koreans are in it for the love of the game. Its a little of both, but the money makes it easier to love the game.


Yeah it's not shocking, but that doesn't make it honorable.


This was never about honor, it was about making a living. Welcome to the real world of competitive anything. If there were no Korean leagues for these players to qualify for, they wouldn't play SC2 at all.



Except the only Koreans to choose NA/EU are the ones with money (foreign teams). They make a living. As you said before progamers aren't in it ONLY for the money, and a current Code S player should choose the competition over some more money.


And I will quit my job of I am offered more money elsewhere. This is their job and they do what is best for them. It was never about being the best in the world. It was always about making a living and more doing what you loved.




Really seems like you're pulling things out of your ass for the sake of arguing. Before you said its a little of both, now it's just money. Please think about whether that's contradictory.

To claim there are no Korean players who care about being the best is not very discerning. I shouldn't need to explain why.


Well I love working in law, but I also want to buy a scooter. A lot of Korean players want to be the best, but they also want to make a living and make money. It can be about both for them too, because they are complex people and can want more than one thing. People can be contradictory with what they want.


There's a logical contradiction in your argument. You're making two statements that cannot both be true. Now you're it saying "a lot of Koreans want to be the best", right after you said "it was never about being the best in the world". If its about both being the best and money, though, there's a balance to be struck in particular situations, and I really think a current, salaried and rich Code S player like MC and Taeja should stay in Code S.


Well there could be other reasons for any player. Taeja may like competing in NA or wants to provide sponsorship time for this team, which mostly has NA sponsors. MC loves NA events and is a huge crowd pleaser. Both these players could be competing for reasons beyond just SC2, like the fans, travel or the needs of their team.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
April 10 2013 16:20 GMT
#1275
On April 11 2013 01:17 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
4/10/2013 the death of the NA starcraft 2 scene.

Blizzard first took from us MLG and all possibilities of an OB, then they gave our tournament to koreans.

gg, time to quit.


Maybe this is the motivation Blizzard was talking about. If you get all of the GM players to quit playing, then bam, the scene is reinvigorated to become GM pros. Someone has to look out for the diamond players.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
April 10 2013 16:21 GMT
#1276
Polt not so happy afterall
Terran & Potato Salad.
Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
April 10 2013 16:21 GMT
#1277
On April 11 2013 01:17 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
4/10/2013 the death of the NA starcraft 2 scene.

Blizzard first took from us MLG and all possibilities of an OB, then they gave our tournament to koreans.

gg, time to quit.


They took our jobs!!!!!
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
April 10 2013 16:21 GMT
#1278
On April 11 2013 01:15 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 01:12 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
yay!!!!!!!!!!! no one from NA will even be able to play in WCS NA :DDD

good job blizzard, good fucking job.

After your 16 invited NA pro's get slaughtered MLG will be hosting WCS Korea 2.0


Well this isn't the open bracket at MLG and the players are going to know their match ups well in advance, unlike MLG. There are NA players that can take down the players on this list in a best of 5. There is a little hope. But only a little.

Who in NA can take down a KR player? Only person I can think of is NA with a KR background. Scarlett is staying in Korea I believe so that's one top NA gone.
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
April 10 2013 16:21 GMT
#1279
Question: Would people feel differently about the "lack of region lock" if players were required to get/maintain GM on the region they've signed up for?

IMO this would at least mean the ladder get's an infusion of competition / top talent that could be useful practice for the pro's in that region?
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
April 10 2013 16:24 GMT
#1280
On April 11 2013 01:14 dacimvrl wrote:
imo, people should stop crying about where the players are from.. we are all from the same planet for fucks sake..


yeah! :D

is there anybody who doesn't agree?
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