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On April 10 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:31 mordk wrote:On April 10 2013 22:13 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:On April 10 2013 21:55 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:52 DusTerr wrote:
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This is good for the NA scene. Sponsors want exposure. This will bring more exposure. (We're not going to see BW 2.0 because the tournaments are much more accessible to fans in multiple regions.)
This isn't the Olympics. Do you think more people watch the world series or the world baseball classic? Good for the NA scene really? Please tell me you trolling or kidding?. You will not find a single NA player who think this is good for the NA scene I can promise you that Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. And that's not true at all. The reason NA WSC got less viewers was because MLG was at the same time. It was unfair for the NA WCS. Look at WCS EU one of the highest watched tournaments in 2012 and properly one of the best and most exciting On April 10 2013 22:13 mordk wrote:
That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Of course, nothing is absolute, but it's a good point. Viewership in all tournaments increases dramatically when there's good KR players involved. If a foreigner manages to go to the later stages then that's viewer count heaven, but foreinger only tournaments get a ton less viewers. Not true Mordk . Again look at WSC EU One tournament hardly means anything. For every case I can remember except WCS EU finals, tournaments heavily benefited in terms of viewer counts with the presence of KR players. No one is saying a few Korean players wouldn't be fine. Polt and Violet would be totally ok. But the top 16 shouldn't be Korean for an NA league, where the rules for NA players trying for the Korean league require them to be in Korea. Viewers or not, it is BS for the any player in NA who has been putting in any serious effort. The koreans are comming here for easy money because they are allowed qualify and play online. If they were required to play off line, in a studio, we should very few, if any. I welcome this. I honestly would rather watch top 16 filled w/ decent koreans like on the list. If I really wanted to watch some NA/EU master/gm noobs play, I would just watch my own replays... Yeah, well half my friends and girlfriend disagree. They couldn't give two shits about Korean players except MKP and Liquid Hero. That is like 10 viewer that will not be interested in this WCS if it is all Koreans.
Yeah, actually, hadn't thought of this. Almost all of my casual-watcher friends couldn't care less about the Korean players except maybe one or two (MVP comes to mind, everyone likes "the best" at something).
For me, I'm excited to see Korean progames live at a reasonable hour, but really disappointed that I won't get to see any NA players in the NA WCS.
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On April 10 2013 22:47 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:44 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:31 mordk wrote:On April 10 2013 22:13 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:
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Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. And that's not true at all. The reason NA WSC got less viewers was because MLG was at the same time. It was unfair for the NA WCS. Look at WCS EU one of the highest watched tournaments in 2012 and properly one of the best and most exciting On April 10 2013 22:13 mordk wrote:
That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Of course, nothing is absolute, but it's a good point. Viewership in all tournaments increases dramatically when there's good KR players involved. If a foreigner manages to go to the later stages then that's viewer count heaven, but foreinger only tournaments get a ton less viewers. Not true Mordk . Again look at WSC EU One tournament hardly means anything. For every case I can remember except WCS EU finals, tournaments heavily benefited in terms of viewer counts with the presence of KR players. No one is saying a few Korean players wouldn't be fine. Polt and Violet would be totally ok. But the top 16 shouldn't be Korean for an NA league, where the rules for NA players trying for the Korean league require them to be in Korea. Viewers or not, it is BS for the any player in NA who has been putting in any serious effort. The koreans are comming here for easy money because they are allowed qualify and play online. If they were required to play off line, in a studio, we should very few, if any. I welcome this. I honestly would rather watch top 16 filled w/ decent koreans like on the list. If I really wanted to watch some NA/EU master/gm noobs play, I would just watch my own replays... Yeah, well half my friends and girlfriend disagree. They couldn't give two shits about Korean players except MKP and Liquid Hero. That is like 10 viewer that will not be interested in this WCS if it is all Koreans. awesome, a whopping total of 10 viewers!! like Acrofales said, who would rather watch minigun vs catz when you can watch herO vs aLive. Please take you trolling elsewhere may I suggest Reddit
lol, I am trolling because you agree with me? You honestly would rather watch minigun vs cats over herO vs aLive? Give me a break.
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On April 10 2013 22:44 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:31 mordk wrote:On April 10 2013 22:13 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:On April 10 2013 21:55 Benjamin99 wrote:
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Good for the NA scene really? Please tell me you trolling or kidding?. You will not find a single NA player who think this is good for the NA scene I can promise you that Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. And that's not true at all. The reason NA WSC got less viewers was because MLG was at the same time. It was unfair for the NA WCS. Look at WCS EU one of the highest watched tournaments in 2012 and properly one of the best and most exciting On April 10 2013 22:13 mordk wrote:
That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Of course, nothing is absolute, but it's a good point. Viewership in all tournaments increases dramatically when there's good KR players involved. If a foreigner manages to go to the later stages then that's viewer count heaven, but foreinger only tournaments get a ton less viewers. Not true Mordk . Again look at WSC EU One tournament hardly means anything. For every case I can remember except WCS EU finals, tournaments heavily benefited in terms of viewer counts with the presence of KR players. No one is saying a few Korean players wouldn't be fine. Polt and Violet would be totally ok. But the top 16 shouldn't be Korean for an NA league, where the rules for NA players trying for the Korean league require them to be in Korea. Viewers or not, it is BS for the any player in NA who has been putting in any serious effort. The koreans are comming here for easy money because they are allowed qualify and play online. If they were required to play off line, in a studio, we should very few, if any. I welcome this. I honestly would rather watch top 16 filled w/ decent koreans like on the list. If I really wanted to watch some NA/EU master/gm noobs play, I would just watch my own replays... Yeah, well half my friends and girlfriend disagree. They couldn't give two shits about Korean players except MKP and Liquid Hero. That is like 10 viewer that will not be interested in this WCS if it is all Koreans. awesome, a whopping total of 10 viewers!!
Ten viewers who don't play or watch SC2, but meet EG at Pax East and were excited to see them play in the NA event. Now the next time I talk I get to tell them that the whole event is filled with Korean players they have never heard of. They might watch, but there isn't a lot of pull for players who are just coming over here to kick the shit out of the local players and win the prize money.
My new sales pitch is going to be "well wait until its off line and fair. Right now, Korean players are being given the ability to play from home." Someday I will get them to watch SC2.
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On April 10 2013 22:40 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:37 Derez wrote:On April 10 2013 22:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:31 mordk wrote:On April 10 2013 22:13 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:On April 10 2013 21:55 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:52 DusTerr wrote:
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This is good for the NA scene. Sponsors want exposure. This will bring more exposure. (We're not going to see BW 2.0 because the tournaments are much more accessible to fans in multiple regions.)
This isn't the Olympics. Do you think more people watch the world series or the world baseball classic? Good for the NA scene really? Please tell me you trolling or kidding?. You will not find a single NA player who think this is good for the NA scene I can promise you that Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. And that's not true at all. The reason NA WSC got less viewers was because MLG was at the same time. It was unfair for the NA WCS. Look at WCS EU one of the highest watched tournaments in 2012 and properly one of the best and most exciting On April 10 2013 22:13 mordk wrote:
That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Of course, nothing is absolute, but it's a good point. Viewership in all tournaments increases dramatically when there's good KR players involved. If a foreigner manages to go to the later stages then that's viewer count heaven, but foreinger only tournaments get a ton less viewers. Not true Mordk . Again look at WSC EU One tournament hardly means anything. For every case I can remember except WCS EU finals, tournaments heavily benefited in terms of viewer counts with the presence of KR players. No one is saying a few Korean players wouldn't be fine. Polt and Violet would be totally ok. But the top 16 shouldn't be Korean for an NA league, where the rules for NA players trying for the Korean league require them to be in Korea. Viewers or not, it is BS for the any player in NA who has been putting in any serious effort. The koreans are comming here for easy money because they are allowed qualify and play online. If they were required to play off line, in a studio, we should very few, if any. I honestly doubt that, there'd be less of them, but they'd still be there. The players participating in the EU WCS are going to have to move to EU for several months at a time in order to play, and they seem to be fine making that commitment. The visa issues will be a huge barrier for entry into the US. I am pretty sure that most of them are coming under a "competitors visa" which is designed for thinks like MGL or the Boston marathon. However, those are time limited and being here all year is a different prospect all together. A work visa is super hard and costly to get and requires an NA sponsor(vise sponsor, ie, employer, not like Kingston HyperX) for the visa. It will be fewer than you think.
I'm not sure on KR-US visa laws, but isn't it a simple reentry system? Leave the country for x days and you can get back in on a tourist visa again? If not, I'm sure there's some way blizzard can pull some strings/change the structure of the league that makes it possible for them to sponsor players directly.
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Uh, but half the players in WCS NA are still going to be north american because of the invites? This doesn't sound that bad? Honestly, if WCS NA was nothing but foreigners then it'd just suck. I wouldn't even watch it, and MLG would suffer because its competition would be so bad, especially coming off of their last event which had arguably the best players at an MLG yet. This is still a large drop in player quality from the last MLG. I think foreigners still have decent odds of doing well, and now a WCS NA win will actually carry some weight. It'd be pretty lame if a foreigner won our WCS but no one cared because it was the weakest MLG we've ever had.
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I bet Goody is disappointed that MVP decided to compete in Europe, while Nestea moves to NA.
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Im more bothered that Blizzard just drastically hurt premier tournament in the world (GSL) by basically diluting the talent pool that made it great and making it so I can only really see that tournament once a year for a weekend. Its silly that these players cant compete in the GSL and it is probably the single worst part of this entire ordeal. If players could compete in whatever they wanted but only the players who declared for various regions could win the seeds or the WCS prize money for the region than that would be fine. As it stands they basically just made one of my favorite tournaments (GSL/OSL) a whole lot less interesting.
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Man, if I was a aspiring progamer from the US I think I would just give up the game just looking at that list. Non koreans have absolutely zero chances of securing a spot T_T;
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And all this because Blizzard was pissed their tournament wasn't the most popular
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Germany1908 Posts
IMO Blizzard deserves all the shit it's going to be in soon.
Big time.
Just finally die please and leave gaming to the gamers will ya?
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On April 10 2013 22:47 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:31 mordk wrote:On April 10 2013 22:13 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:On April 10 2013 21:55 Benjamin99 wrote:
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Good for the NA scene really? Please tell me you trolling or kidding?. You will not find a single NA player who think this is good for the NA scene I can promise you that Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. And that's not true at all. The reason NA WSC got less viewers was because MLG was at the same time. It was unfair for the NA WCS. Look at WCS EU one of the highest watched tournaments in 2012 and properly one of the best and most exciting On April 10 2013 22:13 mordk wrote:
That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Of course, nothing is absolute, but it's a good point. Viewership in all tournaments increases dramatically when there's good KR players involved. If a foreigner manages to go to the later stages then that's viewer count heaven, but foreinger only tournaments get a ton less viewers. Not true Mordk . Again look at WSC EU One tournament hardly means anything. For every case I can remember except WCS EU finals, tournaments heavily benefited in terms of viewer counts with the presence of KR players. No one is saying a few Korean players wouldn't be fine. Polt and Violet would be totally ok. But the top 16 shouldn't be Korean for an NA league, where the rules for NA players trying for the Korean league require them to be in Korea. Viewers or not, it is BS for the any player in NA who has been putting in any serious effort. The koreans are comming here for easy money because they are allowed qualify and play online. If they were required to play off line, in a studio, we should very few, if any. I welcome this. I honestly would rather watch top 16 filled w/ decent koreans like on the list. If I really wanted to watch some NA/EU master/gm noobs play, I would just watch my own replays... Yeah, well half my friends and girlfriend disagree. They couldn't give two shits about Korean players except MKP and Liquid Hero. That is like 10 viewer that will not be interested in this WCS if it is all Koreans. Yeah, actually, hadn't thought of this. Almost all of my casual-watcher friends couldn't care less about the Korean players except maybe one or two (MVP comes to mind, everyone likes "the best" at something). For me, I'm excited to see Korean progames live at a reasonable hour, but really disappointed that I won't get to see any NA players in the NA WCS.
My girlfriend and I are going to watch whatever event Demulsim, MKP and Liquid Hero are in and I will watch NA on my own time. My friends likely will watch a bit, but without local players, they could give two shits about Korean all stars.
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On April 10 2013 22:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:On April 10 2013 21:55 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:52 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 21:25 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:19 arkedos wrote:On April 10 2013 21:12 Benjamin99 wrote:
Actually the more I think about the more I think its a good idea if the NA players who live in NA should just boycott the NA WSC to send a clear message to blizzard and reveal that they are only bitchy and cocky because they dont get the money? You can already observe this behaviour in a nut shell when you take a look at the EG house. I mean they have a team house but instead of practising together, sharing builds and work like a team, they are just streaming for themselves over VERY VERY long periods of the day (well which is fine for itself because in that way they can make some money maybe to help to maintain the teamhouse) and it seems that they got a really poor atmosphere at the teamhouse. Stephano once said on his stream: "I whish I had friends on the US that I can practice with". I mean: HELLO you are in a TEAMhouse ? Shouldnt he practice with his TEAMmates? I Like the Idea of EG having a house where players live together but they are not using this infrastructure they have set up. Its nothing near effective like the Korean team houses. This got nothing to do with money but everything to do with the growth of the NA scene. The NA is dead if this is going to happen. And I don't think you or I is in a position to talk about EG and there social well-being as a team. So the NA scene got to make a choice they can either go with it and try to compete but will fail and eventually die out since no sponsors or teams will be interested in NA players. Or they can fight this and simply boycot it to force blizzard to make changes so it require residency to play in the NA WCS On April 10 2013 21:24 Novacute wrote:
At least we'll get great games in ALL qualifiers now. Who gives a shit really. You don't watch the Olympics because the best teams and players are not there in there respective sports?? People with you attitude makes me sick. This is good for the NA scene. Sponsors want exposure. This will bring more exposure. (We're not going to see BW 2.0 because the tournaments are much more accessible to fans in multiple regions.) This isn't the Olympics. Do you think more people watch the world series or the world baseball classic? Good for the NA scene really? Please tell me you trolling or kidding?. You will not find a single NA player who think this is good for the NA scene I can promise you that Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Most people prefer foreigner over koreans. We had poll about it sometime ago.
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On April 10 2013 22:47 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:31 mordk wrote:On April 10 2013 22:13 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:On April 10 2013 21:55 Benjamin99 wrote:
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Good for the NA scene really? Please tell me you trolling or kidding?. You will not find a single NA player who think this is good for the NA scene I can promise you that Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. And that's not true at all. The reason NA WSC got less viewers was because MLG was at the same time. It was unfair for the NA WCS. Look at WCS EU one of the highest watched tournaments in 2012 and properly one of the best and most exciting On April 10 2013 22:13 mordk wrote:
That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Of course, nothing is absolute, but it's a good point. Viewership in all tournaments increases dramatically when there's good KR players involved. If a foreigner manages to go to the later stages then that's viewer count heaven, but foreinger only tournaments get a ton less viewers. Not true Mordk . Again look at WSC EU One tournament hardly means anything. For every case I can remember except WCS EU finals, tournaments heavily benefited in terms of viewer counts with the presence of KR players. No one is saying a few Korean players wouldn't be fine. Polt and Violet would be totally ok. But the top 16 shouldn't be Korean for an NA league, where the rules for NA players trying for the Korean league require them to be in Korea. Viewers or not, it is BS for the any player in NA who has been putting in any serious effort. The koreans are comming here for easy money because they are allowed qualify and play online. If they were required to play off line, in a studio, we should very few, if any. I welcome this. I honestly would rather watch top 16 filled w/ decent koreans like on the list. If I really wanted to watch some NA/EU master/gm noobs play, I would just watch my own replays... Yeah, well half my friends and girlfriend disagree. They couldn't give two shits about Korean players except MKP and Liquid Hero. That is like 10 viewer that will not be interested in this WCS if it is all Koreans. Yeah, actually, hadn't thought of this. Almost all of my casual-watcher friends couldn't care less about the Korean players except maybe one or two (MVP comes to mind, everyone likes "the best" at something). For me, I'm excited to see Korean progames live at a reasonable hour, but really disappointed that I won't get to see any NA players in the NA WCS.
But hey at least you will see them stream every day instead! :D
(yes that is why the don't win the WCS)
With the casual viewers that are kinda racist I couldn't care about honestly.
I know there is a lot of Americans that are like that, really strong nationalist and doesn't really fit them to cheer for someone else than themselves.
In the rest of the world it gets more rare with a thing like that.
Hell us Swedes hate our neighbors when we play in sports but if we are knocked out we cheer for each others and find excuses for it 
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On April 10 2013 22:47 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:44 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:31 mordk wrote:On April 10 2013 22:13 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:
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Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. And that's not true at all. The reason NA WSC got less viewers was because MLG was at the same time. It was unfair for the NA WCS. Look at WCS EU one of the highest watched tournaments in 2012 and properly one of the best and most exciting On April 10 2013 22:13 mordk wrote:
That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Of course, nothing is absolute, but it's a good point. Viewership in all tournaments increases dramatically when there's good KR players involved. If a foreigner manages to go to the later stages then that's viewer count heaven, but foreinger only tournaments get a ton less viewers. Not true Mordk . Again look at WSC EU One tournament hardly means anything. For every case I can remember except WCS EU finals, tournaments heavily benefited in terms of viewer counts with the presence of KR players. No one is saying a few Korean players wouldn't be fine. Polt and Violet would be totally ok. But the top 16 shouldn't be Korean for an NA league, where the rules for NA players trying for the Korean league require them to be in Korea. Viewers or not, it is BS for the any player in NA who has been putting in any serious effort. The koreans are comming here for easy money because they are allowed qualify and play online. If they were required to play off line, in a studio, we should very few, if any. I welcome this. I honestly would rather watch top 16 filled w/ decent koreans like on the list. If I really wanted to watch some NA/EU master/gm noobs play, I would just watch my own replays... Yeah, well half my friends and girlfriend disagree. They couldn't give two shits about Korean players except MKP and Liquid Hero. That is like 10 viewer that will not be interested in this WCS if it is all Koreans. awesome, a whopping total of 10 viewers!! like Acrofales said, who would rather watch minigun vs catz when you can watch herO vs aLive. Please take you trolling elsewhere may I suggest Reddit Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:46 Tobblish wrote:On April 10 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:31 mordk wrote:On April 10 2013 22:13 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:
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Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. And that's not true at all. The reason NA WSC got less viewers was because MLG was at the same time. It was unfair for the NA WCS. Look at WCS EU one of the highest watched tournaments in 2012 and properly one of the best and most exciting On April 10 2013 22:13 mordk wrote:
That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Of course, nothing is absolute, but it's a good point. Viewership in all tournaments increases dramatically when there's good KR players involved. If a foreigner manages to go to the later stages then that's viewer count heaven, but foreinger only tournaments get a ton less viewers. Not true Mordk . Again look at WSC EU One tournament hardly means anything. For every case I can remember except WCS EU finals, tournaments heavily benefited in terms of viewer counts with the presence of KR players. No one is saying a few Korean players wouldn't be fine. Polt and Violet would be totally ok. But the top 16 shouldn't be Korean for an NA league, where the rules for NA players trying for the Korean league require them to be in Korea. Viewers or not, it is BS for the any player in NA who has been putting in any serious effort. The koreans are comming here for easy money because they are allowed qualify and play online. If they were required to play off line, in a studio, we should very few, if any. I welcome this. I honestly would rather watch top 16 filled w/ decent koreans like on the list. If I really wanted to watch some NA/EU master/gm noobs play, I would just watch my own replays... Yeah, well half my friends and girlfriend disagree. They couldn't give two shits about Korean players except MKP and Liquid Hero. That is like 10 viewer that will not be interested in this WCS if it is all Koreans. I wonder why those 10 people don't like to watch Koreans instead of Americans. Racists people I bet. Yes 90% fans of Starcraft are all racist you got us.
90%?!... I know you're just defending yourself from an even more ridiculous statement. But even then, even Proleague gets more viewers than the regular local tournament, everybody loves GSL, and most people watch MLGs to see good koreans win, and hopefully, some foreigner make a break, but the amount of people who stop watching once all foreigners are eliminated is really very small.
People like the toughest competition. And I say this even if I believe this is the wrong approach for WCS, that was supposed to be a different type of tournament.
You can watch foreigner tournaments, but people really don't, at least not the smaller league that hardly anyone watches. Even code A qualifiers with their insane time schedule and nameless koreans get a ton more viewers.
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On April 10 2013 22:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:44 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:42 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:40 dacimvrl wrote:On April 10 2013 22:34 Plansix wrote:On April 10 2013 22:31 mordk wrote:On April 10 2013 22:13 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:
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Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. And that's not true at all. The reason NA WSC got less viewers was because MLG was at the same time. It was unfair for the NA WCS. Look at WCS EU one of the highest watched tournaments in 2012 and properly one of the best and most exciting On April 10 2013 22:13 mordk wrote:
That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Of course, nothing is absolute, but it's a good point. Viewership in all tournaments increases dramatically when there's good KR players involved. If a foreigner manages to go to the later stages then that's viewer count heaven, but foreinger only tournaments get a ton less viewers. Not true Mordk . Again look at WSC EU One tournament hardly means anything. For every case I can remember except WCS EU finals, tournaments heavily benefited in terms of viewer counts with the presence of KR players. No one is saying a few Korean players wouldn't be fine. Polt and Violet would be totally ok. But the top 16 shouldn't be Korean for an NA league, where the rules for NA players trying for the Korean league require them to be in Korea. Viewers or not, it is BS for the any player in NA who has been putting in any serious effort. The koreans are comming here for easy money because they are allowed qualify and play online. If they were required to play off line, in a studio, we should very few, if any. I welcome this. I honestly would rather watch top 16 filled w/ decent koreans like on the list. If I really wanted to watch some NA/EU master/gm noobs play, I would just watch my own replays... Yeah, well half my friends and girlfriend disagree. They couldn't give two shits about Korean players except MKP and Liquid Hero. That is like 10 viewer that will not be interested in this WCS if it is all Koreans. awesome, a whopping total of 10 viewers!! Ten viewers who don't play or watch SC2, but meet EG at Pax East and were excited to see them play in the NA event. Now the next time I talk I get to tell them that the whole event is filled with Korean players they have never heard of. They might watch, but there isn't a lot of pull for players who are just coming over here to kick the shit out of the local players and win the prize money. My new sales pitch is going to be "well wait until its off line and fair. Right now, Korean players are being given the ability to play from home." Someday I will get them to watch SC2.
there you go. They don't even play or watch sc2 regularly, so.. what does it matter what they want to see? It's not like they are actually supporting the scene - subscribing..etc. Hell, they pbly don't even know who Flash is lol.
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On April 10 2013 22:51 iNfeRnaL wrote:
IMO Blizzard deserves all the shit it's going to be in soon.
Big time.
Just finally die please and leave gaming to the gamers will ya?
*Quality poster*
LOL
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I think it won't be as bad as it looks. I mean, at least this will mean that the NA and European players will get lots of experience vs great Koreans. So if they train hard and aim for a high ranking or even winning it all rather than accepting a decent spot since the Koreans are too good, they should improve. The NA scene might gain more than the European scene since they will have so many more players, so that means even more practice against these really good players. Sure it will look grim this year, but next year maybe the NA scene will be strong than the European scene? And then in another year or two the NA scene might be on par with Korea?
I did like the WCS Europe last year with only Europeans, and I somewhat still want that again, but this will be pretty good as well.
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On April 10 2013 22:44 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:23 avilo wrote:
This is pretty terrible lmao. The entire point of WCS and this initiative was to get other countries/regions to have an ecosystem of their own, as well as infuse prize money that those players in those regions could feasibly win.
Instead, what we have set up is a system where blizzard basically said, "here koreans, free moneys, foreigners...screw you." Perhaps that was not their intention, but that's going to be the result.
So what is the incentive here for people to train, and invest their own money to go to events, etc? You know a korean with 10x the training, a team house, team backing will be at the event.
Oh wait, I got that wrong. Instead of a few like previously, now it's going to be 15+ all here to take your region's cash lol.
This is insanely stupid. Imagine the Olympics allowing NBA teams to play "in any region." I can imagine it now.
"Welcome to the 2016 Olympic basketball finals! Your finalists, China's LA lakers, Russia's Boston Celtics, Canada's Clippers," wait a minute...what happened to the other countries basketball teams?
How does this prevent the various regions to have their own ecosystem in any way? How does Blizzard offering "foreigners" (though I don't understand the relevance of "foreigners" in this context) a chance to win more money by playing a game translate into "foreigner... screw you"? What the incentive is? Good question. However, given the amount of cash available, I sure do hope these people don't train and go to events to make a living, as 99% of them will never manage such, despite the extra money Blizzard is putting on the table. I hope that it's, like in any sport, the fact that they enjoy the game and enjoy being competitive. Training to earn cash only becomes relevant after you've gone professional. Your region's cash? First of all, what the hell makes you feel so entitled to that money? Though more importantly maybe, why should people from with different nationalities not be allowed to participate in a tournament located in "your region"? Sure it's good to also have national championships, however, this never was intended to be such. NBA teams at the Olympics? You really have a hard time understanding competitive sports, don't you? Besides, if you look at other sports like you do, this luckily happens all the time. Half of the average football squad consists of foreign players. They improve quality, mix things up and keep the leagues interesting. I'm pretty certain the premier league wouldn't be the most entertaining competition in the world if it weren't for this. Obviously Blizzard isn't doing thing perfectly, but it seems a good effort at setting up a global league system, something that has direly been missing in SC2. It's basically the next step towards having a truly professional competitive scene. It's good (EVEN if only for the extra cash spent). What ever mistakes they make, they'll learn from those. All this bitching and whining is totally uncalled for (without meaning to say we shouldn't give feedback, once we bump into issues, not before) - even though I realise it was inevitable, given how entitled and narrow minded this community has seem to become.
It is not rocket science to understand. Blizzard intended this to help stimulate each region's player base, not turn NA into Korea2, and EU into Korea3.
You're one of those people that has no clue. You're blanket calling people "entitled and narrow minded." You don't see the larger picture, that this does not help facilitate NA/EU growth.
Apparently, you also have no understanding of real sports or progression systems. You don't join a local basketball qualifer tournament and have to play against Lebron James straight away if you're a basketball player. That would be ridiculous.
You start with your local region, you win that, you go to regionals, then national level, pro level, etc. There has to be a progression.
Yes, professional sports have athletes from other countries, but you're dellusional if you think that players from other countries are joining another countries NATIONAL TEAM. Sports do not work like that.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1c1slt/my_views_on_wcsregional_based_leagues_region/
Read Catz post from reddit. He basically covers and echos the thoughts of rational minded people in the foreign scene.
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On April 10 2013 22:52 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:51 iNfeRnaL wrote:
IMO Blizzard deserves all the shit it's going to be in soon.
Big time.
Just finally die please and leave gaming to the gamers will ya? *Quality poster* LOL
don't take the term too literally, i post some pretty bad crap sometimes
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