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On April 10 2013 22:09 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:07 Champloo wrote:
This is so stupid, why didn't they just make it based on nationality like the last WCS?
At least Europe will have mainly European players in it, but NA is not even worth watching for me now, and I would definitely be pissed if I was a NA pro player. There are no true NA pro players, that's the problem.Semi-pros at best, but most of them are still studying or working part-time or something.
And there never will be if already "established" teams can just shuttle korean talent into NA.
There is absolutely no incentive for upcoming NA player to get "good" at starcraft.
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What needs to happen by next year for the WCS: 1. All games should be played offline other than qualifier matches. If all games was played offline, this would deter Koreans from playing in NA/EU. Koreans are not going to sign up to play 6 months in NA/EU regions if they have to move to that region of choice.It will also make Koreans practice in NA/EU regions and move to team house in the region 2. Keep the region lock but you only change regions at the first of the year (Season 1) and before season. 3. Players will only need to stay in the region for 6 months or so. This makes players not have question living in American for whole year. Which is too long. People have family and friends to worry a about and what about kids in school. Also, Increase the Prize Pool for both GSL and OSL because it's just the right thing to do.
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On April 10 2013 22:16 Sok4R wrote:
Just to get it straight: All those player attend the WCS NA/EU qualifiers instead of the korean ones?
That would be so ridicilous. Like the "North American Star League" with 15 koreans and one european. This way, the whole WCS will be an korean affair and my interest in it immediatly vanished. I don't have anything against korean players, but for me it is just natural to root for players from my country or at least continent.
More importantly, that they are allowed to qualify online for NA and EU, but NA and EU players have to go to Korea to qualify for WCS there. They get their travel costs covered through NA, but if you go to GSL, you pay your own way the whole way(not 100% equal, since that airport is in the same city, but still). I can see why NA players who invested the time in Korea, or Demulsim, who got a work visa(which costs money) would be pissed.
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On April 10 2013 22:15 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:07 Champloo wrote:
This is so stupid, why didn't they just make it based on nationality like the last WCS?
At least Europe will have mainly European players in it, but NA is not even worth watching for me now, and I would definitely be pissed if I was a NA pro player. That's funny, because I was thinking that NA WCS wouldn't be worth watching with the region lock in place. In addition, NA pro players have no right to be pissed given that all Blizzard is doing is adding a few leagues with big prize pools; it is objectively an improvement from their pespective. Only for code S Koreans the structure may be worse than the current one.
Well I'm sure the NA players is happy that you syllogism and you elitist attitude is going to watch.
ps
I´´ll take 1 casual fan over 10 of you any day of the week because casual fans grows the scene while you just spawn elitist crap and complain about how bad the casters are.
On April 10 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:16 Sok4R wrote:
Just to get it straight: All those player attend the WCS NA/EU qualifiers instead of the korean ones?
That would be so ridicilous. Like the "North American Star League" with 15 koreans and one european. This way, the whole WCS will be an korean affair and my interest in it immediatly vanished. I don't have anything against korean players, but for me it is just natural to root for players from my country or at least continent. More importantly, that they are allowed to qualify online for NA and EU, but NA and EU players have to go to Korea to qualify for WCS there. They get their travel costs covered through NA, but if you go to GSL, you pay your own way the whole way(not 100% equal, since that airport is in the same city, but still). I can see why NA players who invested the time in Korea, or Demulsim, who got a work visa(which costs money) would be pissed.
Is insane do people really hate the foreign scene so much they want to destroy it?
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Sad to see all of these guys will not be participating in GSL :/
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If it's a Korean vs Korean match in NA region online part, they will play on NA ladder?
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about the olympic guys "you not watch them for blabla you watch them for best games you make me sick etc" i dont find it to quote ^^
NO! i watch it to see germans win  and so alot watch sc2 to see foreigns or their homeland guys win, i rly no care good games from koreans in europe i want GERMANS to win, in sport everyone is a nationalist for sure and in esport why it have to be different ? its a bit i also like EVERY european win
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Why do you think there's so many more Koreans going to USA than EU? USA has a serious lack of talent. NA will be more interesting to watch now.
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On April 10 2013 22:09 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:07 Champloo wrote:
This is so stupid, why didn't they just make it based on nationality like the last WCS?
At least Europe will have mainly European players in it, but NA is not even worth watching for me now, and I would definitely be pissed if I was a NA pro player. There are no true NA pro players, that's the problem. Semi-pros at best, but most of them are still studying or working part-time or something.
What about HuK, GosWser, Scarlett or IdrA ? They are legitimate pro-players who are all-in in their respective e-sport careers.
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This is pretty terrible lmao. The entire point of WCS and this initiative was to get other countries/regions to have an ecosystem of their own, as well as infuse prize money that those players in those regions could feasibly win.
Instead, what we have set up is a system where blizzard basically said, "here koreans, free moneys, foreigners...screw you." Perhaps that was not their intention, but that's going to be the result.
So what is the incentive here for people to train, and invest their own money to go to events, etc? You know a korean with 10x the training, a team house, team backing will be at the event.
Oh wait, I got that wrong. Instead of a few like previously, now it's going to be 15+ all here to take your region's cash lol.
This is insanely stupid. Imagine the Olympics allowing NBA teams to play "in any region." I can imagine it now.
"Welcome to the 2016 Olympic basketball finals! Your finalists, China's LA lakers, Russia's Boston Celtics, Canada's Clippers," wait a minute...what happened to the other countries basketball teams?
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On April 10 2013 22:13 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:On April 10 2013 21:55 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:52 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 21:25 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:19 arkedos wrote:On April 10 2013 21:12 Benjamin99 wrote:
Actually the more I think about the more I think its a good idea if the NA players who live in NA should just boycott the NA WSC to send a clear message to blizzard and reveal that they are only bitchy and cocky because they dont get the money? You can already observe this behaviour in a nut shell when you take a look at the EG house. I mean they have a team house but instead of practising together, sharing builds and work like a team, they are just streaming for themselves over VERY VERY long periods of the day (well which is fine for itself because in that way they can make some money maybe to help to maintain the teamhouse) and it seems that they got a really poor atmosphere at the teamhouse. Stephano once said on his stream: "I whish I had friends on the US that I can practice with". I mean: HELLO you are in a TEAMhouse ? Shouldnt he practice with his TEAMmates? I Like the Idea of EG having a house where players live together but they are not using this infrastructure they have set up. Its nothing near effective like the Korean team houses. This got nothing to do with money but everything to do with the growth of the NA scene. The NA is dead if this is going to happen. And I don't think you or I is in a position to talk about EG and there social well-being as a team. So the NA scene got to make a choice they can either go with it and try to compete but will fail and eventually die out since no sponsors or teams will be interested in NA players. Or they can fight this and simply boycot it to force blizzard to make changes so it require residency to play in the NA WCS On April 10 2013 21:24 Novacute wrote:
At least we'll get great games in ALL qualifiers now. Who gives a shit really. You don't watch the Olympics because the best teams and players are not there in there respective sports?? People with you attitude makes me sick. This is good for the NA scene. Sponsors want exposure. This will bring more exposure. (We're not going to see BW 2.0 because the tournaments are much more accessible to fans in multiple regions.) This isn't the Olympics. Do you think more people watch the world series or the world baseball classic? Good for the NA scene really? Please tell me you trolling or kidding?. You will not find a single NA player who think this is good for the NA scene I can promise you that Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. And that's not true at all. The reason NA WSC got less viewers was because MLG was at the same time. It was unfair for the NA WCS. Look at WCS EU one of the highest watched tournaments in 2012 and properly one of the best and most exciting Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:13 mordk wrote:
That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Of course, nothing is absolute, but it's a good point. Viewership in all tournaments increases dramatically when there's good KR players involved. If a foreigner manages to go to the later stages then that's viewer count heaven, but foreinger only tournaments get a ton less viewers. Not true Mordk . Again look at WSC EU
Ah, so NA WSC got less viewers because there was an alternative tournament WITH KOREANS to watch?
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On April 10 2013 22:21 Thor.Rush wrote:
Why do you think there's so many more Koreans going to USA than EU? USA has a serious lack of talent. NA will be more interesting to watch now.
NA got more money, better organization, culture is a little stronger and more familiar for Koreans, and Korean players speak a little English.
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On April 10 2013 22:20 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:15 syllogism wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 Champloo wrote:
This is so stupid, why didn't they just make it based on nationality like the last WCS?
At least Europe will have mainly European players in it, but NA is not even worth watching for me now, and I would definitely be pissed if I was a NA pro player. That's funny, because I was thinking that NA WCS wouldn't be worth watching with the region lock in place. In addition, NA pro players have no right to be pissed given that all Blizzard is doing is adding a few leagues with big prize pools; it is objectively an improvement from their pespective. Only for code S Koreans the structure may be worse than the current one. Well I'm sure the NA players is happy that you syllogism and you elitist attitude is going to watch. ps I´´ll take 1 casual fan over 10 of you any day of the week because casual fans grows the scene while you just spawn elitist crap and complain about how bad the casters are.
Or NA players who practices in Korea, only to find out that Koreans were going to be able to qualify all tournaments online or are seeded into the events. Why practice at all when the 16 other players who are just as good or better are going to be flown out to every event you go to?
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On April 10 2013 22:20 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:15 syllogism wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 Champloo wrote:
This is so stupid, why didn't they just make it based on nationality like the last WCS?
At least Europe will have mainly European players in it, but NA is not even worth watching for me now, and I would definitely be pissed if I was a NA pro player. That's funny, because I was thinking that NA WCS wouldn't be worth watching with the region lock in place. In addition, NA pro players have no right to be pissed given that all Blizzard is doing is adding a few leagues with big prize pools; it is objectively an improvement from their pespective. Only for code S Koreans the structure may be worse than the current one. Well I'm sure the NA players is happy that you syllogism and you elitist attitude is going to watch. ps I´´ll take 1 casual fan over 10 of you any day of the week because casual fans grows the scene while you just spawn elitist crap and complain about how bad the casters are.
I actually like quite a few NA players, but regional NA/EU tournaments rarely produce good games these days (there are exceptions, of course) and I would rather see them playing against high tier koreans. Hopefully they will be competitive.
On April 10 2013 22:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:20 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:15 syllogism wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 Champloo wrote:
This is so stupid, why didn't they just make it based on nationality like the last WCS?
At least Europe will have mainly European players in it, but NA is not even worth watching for me now, and I would definitely be pissed if I was a NA pro player. That's funny, because I was thinking that NA WCS wouldn't be worth watching with the region lock in place. In addition, NA pro players have no right to be pissed given that all Blizzard is doing is adding a few leagues with big prize pools; it is objectively an improvement from their pespective. Only for code S Koreans the structure may be worse than the current one. Well I'm sure the NA players is happy that you syllogism and you elitist attitude is going to watch. ps I´´ll take 1 casual fan over 10 of you any day of the week because casual fans grows the scene while you just spawn elitist crap and complain about how bad the casters are. Or NA players who practices in Korea, only to find out that Koreans were going to be able to qualify all tournaments online or are seeded into the events. Why practice at all when the 16 other players who are just as good or better are going to be flown out to every event you go to?
What exactly is the problem with that?
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I don't care about Koreans stealing spots from Europeans or North Americans, I'm just sad that the talent in the GSL is being diffused and so it will lose some of the allure. Plus, what is the GSL without Nestea, MVP, MC, Taeja, and Ryung. They have been mainstays for so long...
Also, where is Jjakji? He didn't try out for the Code A qualifiers and isn't on that list either (unless I missed something)...
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So we always wanted to have GLS NA and EU and it seems now we get it 
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On April 10 2013 22:22 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:09 ZenithM wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 Champloo wrote:
This is so stupid, why didn't they just make it based on nationality like the last WCS?
At least Europe will have mainly European players in it, but NA is not even worth watching for me now, and I would definitely be pissed if I was a NA pro player. There are no true NA pro players, that's the problem. Semi-pros at best, but most of them are still studying or working part-time or something. What about HuK, GosWser, Scarlett or IdrA ? They are legitimate pro-players who are all-in in their respective e-sport careers.
Yeah well.
Either they're EG (and we all know what IdrA is worth as far as progaming is concerned nowadays), or they're not NA based.
There are no true NA proteams.
On April 10 2013 22:17 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:09 ZenithM wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 Champloo wrote:
This is so stupid, why didn't they just make it based on nationality like the last WCS?
At least Europe will have mainly European players in it, but NA is not even worth watching for me now, and I would definitely be pissed if I was a NA pro player. There are no true NA pro players, that's the problem.Semi-pros at best, but most of them are still studying or working part-time or something. And there never will be if already "established" teams can just shuttle korean talent into NA. There is absolutely no incentive for upcoming NA player to get "good" at starcraft.
Except, you know, to get good at Starcraft. Nobody says pro-gaming is easy. It's not really a viable career yet unless you're already really fucking good. You should be a pro-gamer because you love the game and want to get fucking good at it, not because you love money.
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On April 10 2013 22:23 DusTerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 22:13 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 22:07 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 22:03 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:59 oxxo wrote:On April 10 2013 21:55 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:52 DusTerr wrote:On April 10 2013 21:25 Benjamin99 wrote:On April 10 2013 21:19 arkedos wrote:On April 10 2013 21:12 Benjamin99 wrote:
Actually the more I think about the more I think its a good idea if the NA players who live in NA should just boycott the NA WSC to send a clear message to blizzard and reveal that they are only bitchy and cocky because they dont get the money? You can already observe this behaviour in a nut shell when you take a look at the EG house. I mean they have a team house but instead of practising together, sharing builds and work like a team, they are just streaming for themselves over VERY VERY long periods of the day (well which is fine for itself because in that way they can make some money maybe to help to maintain the teamhouse) and it seems that they got a really poor atmosphere at the teamhouse. Stephano once said on his stream: "I whish I had friends on the US that I can practice with". I mean: HELLO you are in a TEAMhouse ? Shouldnt he practice with his TEAMmates? I Like the Idea of EG having a house where players live together but they are not using this infrastructure they have set up. Its nothing near effective like the Korean team houses. This got nothing to do with money but everything to do with the growth of the NA scene. The NA is dead if this is going to happen. And I don't think you or I is in a position to talk about EG and there social well-being as a team. So the NA scene got to make a choice they can either go with it and try to compete but will fail and eventually die out since no sponsors or teams will be interested in NA players. Or they can fight this and simply boycot it to force blizzard to make changes so it require residency to play in the NA WCS On April 10 2013 21:24 Novacute wrote:
At least we'll get great games in ALL qualifiers now. Who gives a shit really. You don't watch the Olympics because the best teams and players are not there in there respective sports?? People with you attitude makes me sick. This is good for the NA scene. Sponsors want exposure. This will bring more exposure. (We're not going to see BW 2.0 because the tournaments are much more accessible to fans in multiple regions.) This isn't the Olympics. Do you think more people watch the world series or the world baseball classic? Good for the NA scene really? Please tell me you trolling or kidding?. You will not find a single NA player who think this is good for the NA scene I can promise you that Only if they just want easy competition/money. It's good for the NA scene in the long run to have actual competition. You post is preposterous. You are simply clueless. This got nothing to do with easy money. This is basically a death stroke to any NA player or any future talent from NA. I expect many NA teams will also avoid sc2. No Sponsors or teams will pay a dime to any NA player simply because the investment is not worth it. Sponsors and teams wants exposure And this actually gives the NA scene legitimacy AND exposure. How many viewers did the NA WCS get? What about any other NA held tournament without Koreans? There is only one thing that's stopped "NA only" events. SPONSORS wanted viewers. Viewers wanted Koreans. And that's not true at all. The reason NA WSC got less viewers was because MLG was at the same time. It was unfair for the NA WCS. Look at WCS EU one of the highest watched tournaments in 2012 and properly one of the best and most exciting On April 10 2013 22:13 mordk wrote:
That is not 100% sure. Viewers want a lot of things and its not just Koreans. My girlfriend only wants to watch games with players she likes, and the only Koreans she cares about are MKP and Liquid Hero. The rest are EG players and Gubby. People who claim that everyone wants Korean players are wrong.
Of course, nothing is absolute, but it's a good point. Viewership in all tournaments increases dramatically when there's good KR players involved. If a foreigner manages to go to the later stages then that's viewer count heaven, but foreinger only tournaments get a ton less viewers. Not true Mordk . Again look at WSC EU Ah, so NA WSC got less viewers because there was an alternative tournament WITH KOREANS to watch?
Why are you speaking so much about viewers. WCS was about growing regional scenes, you already know regional scene will get lower amount of viewers, specially when you put them on the same weekend of a regular MLG. Which was completly retarded from MLG. WCS EU in comparison did a pretty good job and got shit tons of viewers and positive responses, even if it wasn't the highest level of play, definitly helpin the EU scene and pro players by getting exposure and a reason to train.
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Thank god, maybe the foreign scene will actually show some quality games now
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GL Foreigners.. I can't imagine that this is what blizzard had in mind.. Surely something must be done...
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